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Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

They provide interesting perspectives

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

Interesting.

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

They provide interesting perspectives

You could have almost used one map and two or so colors.
I confess: I am a map lover, and have a nice collection I gathered in my travels. In my first task after graduation, I had to design the hardware and "software" (really a network of And and Or gates) for potting location data on a large table with suction to hold down a map, a scriber to plot points, lines and characters, registration points to key the maps to the system, plus, the results were to be displayed on a screen at a operators position. All USAF maps were needed. Jet Navigation, and World Something or another Maps (memory gap!), These were Lambert Conformal Conic maps, and I had a hard time getting time on a computer to calculate the constants involved, but I finally succeeded. This was in 1961, and t***sistors were just becoming available. A sweet memory. That system was used by SAC for many years in mission-planning. Today, all of it could have been designed on a laptop for the computation..

debeda

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

They provide interesting perspectives

Not sure of your point?? That the world is ideologically divided? Okay

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

debeda wrote:

Not sure of your point?? That the world is ideologically divided? Okay

My point is hypocrisy

debeda

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

My point is hypocrisy

Hmm. Okay?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

debeda wrote:

Hmm. Okay?

You don't see the hypocrisy of the West sanctioning Russia because it invaded a sovereign nation and is waging war there.. While at the same time supporting Israel while Israel engages in the same behavior???

debeda

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

You don't see the hypocrisy of the West sanctioning Russia because it invaded a sovereign nation and is waging war there.. While at the same time supporting Israel while Israel engages in the same behavior???

Wellllll.....Palestine has been bombing Israel for years. Was Ukraine bombing Russia?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

debeda wrote:

Wellllll.....Palestine has been bombing Israel for years. Was Ukraine bombing Russia?

Ukraine was bombing Russians in the Western Ukraine...

But why claim to be for freedom when also denying nationhood to a people???

debeda

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Ukraine was bombing Russians in the Western Ukraine...

But why claim to be for freedom when also denying nationhood to a people???

I think the two are apples and oranges. I understand that Israel has expanded into Palestine regularly. I understand that Palestine bombs and commits terrorist attacks on Israel regularly. But (and of course I'm not in either of these places, so I don't know) it doesn't seem parallel to what's happening between Russia and Ukraine now.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

debeda wrote:

I think the two are apples and oranges. I understand that Israel has expanded into Palestine regularly. I understand that Palestine bombs and commits terrorist attacks on Israel regularly. But (and of course I'm not in either of these places, so I don't know) it doesn't seem parallel to what's happening between Russia and Ukraine now.

Not exactly the same, true...

I find it interesting that the West is screaming about the Ukraine being a sovereign nation while they deny that same right to Palestine....

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

manning5 wrote:

You could have almost used one map and two or so c... (show quote)

Then thank you very much! The only command I sincerely loved serving in was SAC. It was the best of the best. I think Space Command may soon take the lead and they may bomb D.C. first, with the Rods of God. We should be in lockdown mode for that. Then the televised executions start. According to my research and sources.

debeda

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Not exactly the same, true...

I find it interesting that the West is screaming about the Ukraine being a sovereign nation while they deny that same right to Palestine....

I think (again, going by memory of what I've read) both Israel and Palestine were part of the Ottoman Empire at one point, and became part of the same tract of land by the Mediterranean after WW1 as a British territory. Ukraine is an established European country that was part of the old USSR.
My understanding is also that Israel has offered Palestinians to be part of Israel with citizenship in Israel to put an end to fighting over territory and allowing all the same rights. People that consider themselves Palestinian have refused, largely (again my understanding) because they are majority Muslim and have a hatred of Jews. So would not want to live in a Jewish state or judicial system.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

debeda wrote:

I think (again, going by memory of what I've read)... (show quote)

The ottoman part is correct... Although at the time neither Israel or Palestine were nations...
Israel has repeatedly rejected the one nation option...Due to it providing millions of Palestinian Muslims with equal v****g rights....Israel is adamant that Israel will remain a Jewish state...
Palestinians never had a hatred for Jews (Jews have lived in the area for thousands of years alongside their Muslim and Christian neighbors) until the Israeli Z*****ts began stealing their nation and brutalizing their people....

I'm not saying their isn't blood on the hands of Palestinians, just that it's another issue that has multiple sides....

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

The ottoman part is correct... Although at the tim... (show quote)

The two conflicts should not be conflated as though there was a super view looking down on them adjudging any of them hypocritical. Each of them arose out of their unique past and current histories and their histories with the West. Each of them appear to have divergent ideologies in action, and have their own rulers and forms of government. It is not only apples and oranges but also bananas and peaches, with a cumquat and a cantaloupe thrown in trying to help save the day. Don't ask me which is which!