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Feb 25, 2022 09:30:28   #
PeterS
 
As with all things right-wing fear is always is a central motivating factor. Here Putin fears the spread of Democracy into Ukraine and then Russia. This is why he has to control what happens in Ukraine if he is going to control what happens in Russia. Of course, what is ironic is that Putin says he's invading to protect the Ukrainians from N**ism all while being a f*****t and forcing Putin's version of authoritarianism on everyone!

And of course, Trump thinks Putin's moves are brilliant but what would you expect Putin's special lapdog to say...

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Feb 25, 2022 10:18:01   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
PeterS wrote:
As with all things right-wing fear is always is a central motivating factor. Here Putin fears the spread of Democracy into Ukraine and then Russia. This is why he has to control what happens in Ukraine if he is going to control what happens in Russia. Of course, what is ironic is that Putin says he's invading to protect the Ukrainians from N**ism all while being a f*****t and forcing Putin's version of authoritarianism on everyone!

And of course, Trump thinks Putin's moves are brilliant but what would you expect Putin's special lapdog to say...
As with all things right-wing fear is always is a ... (show quote)


Putin holds no fear of democracy...
That's absurd...
He's fighting for a stronger Russia...

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Feb 25, 2022 10:28:33   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
PeterS wrote:
As with all things right-wing fear is always is a central motivating factor. Here Putin fears the spread of Democracy into Ukraine and then Russia. This is why he has to control what happens in Ukraine if he is going to control what happens in Russia. Of course, what is ironic is that Putin says he's invading to protect the Ukrainians from N**ism all while being a f*****t and forcing Putin's version of authoritarianism on everyone!

And of course, Trump thinks Putin's moves are brilliant but what would you expect Putin's special lapdog to say...
As with all things right-wing fear is always is a ... (show quote)


There was no real democracy in Ukraine. The President shut down three opposition news sources and jailed the leading opposition leader.

All Putin demanded in the first place was for NATO to stop its eastward expansion, and that Ukraine could never join NATO. That would have put NATO missiles and such on Russia's border. A former and current adversary. Not only reasonable requests, but something that NATO should willingly agree to with Ukraine as a buffer between both sides. But your i***t biden wouldn't even talk about it. Henneeds this war to keep the news of his failing polls and his destruction of America off of the news.

If you could think with an open mind, you would know this and agree.

Logically Right

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Feb 25, 2022 10:34:42   #
son of witless
 
PeterS wrote:
As with all things right-wing fear is always is a central motivating factor. Here Putin fears the spread of Democracy into Ukraine and then Russia. This is why he has to control what happens in Ukraine if he is going to control what happens in Russia. Of course, what is ironic is that Putin says he's invading to protect the Ukrainians from N**ism all while being a f*****t and forcing Putin's version of authoritarianism on everyone!

And of course, Trump thinks Putin's moves are brilliant but what would you expect Putin's special lapdog to say...
As with all things right-wing fear is always is a ... (show quote)


Vladimir Putin only attacks Ukraine when Democrats are in the White House. If Hillary had won in 2016, Vlad would have conquered Ukraine in 2018. Donald J. Trump delayed Vlad's plans for 4 years. If Trump had won in 2020, Vlad would have waited until 2026 to take Ukraine, under President Buttigieg.

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Feb 25, 2022 11:12:56   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
PeterS wrote:
As with all things right-wing fear is always is a central motivating factor. Here Putin fears the spread of Democracy into Ukraine and then Russia. This is why he has to control what happens in Ukraine if he is going to control what happens in Russia. Of course, what is ironic is that Putin says he's invading to protect the Ukrainians from N**ism all while being a f*****t and forcing Putin's version of authoritarianism on everyone!

And of course, Trump thinks Putin's moves are brilliant but what would you expect Putin's special lapdog to say...
As with all things right-wing fear is always is a ... (show quote)



Putin is doing what's best for Russia, just as we created a c**p in Ukraine during the Obama Administration in order to set up missile bases (the very aspect that set all of this off in the 1st place) in Ukraine.
Trump only said that Putin was a savvy advisary. He's been 3 steps ahead of Biden so far, so....
Also, I would research the difference between N**ism, C*******m, and for God's sake actually look up the meaning of f*****m.
We empowered Putin by shutting down our energy production making him the world's 3rd biggest supplier of energy.
We all knew from the start he wasn't going to just let NATO stack missile bases on his border.
Not really aure where the Left is comming from like we can do anything about this, we have No treaties with Ukraine, 30 trillion in debt, 5 years behind on hyper sonic missile designs (which they have thanks to China), and we are energy dependant on other countries again.
We not only have NO responsibility here, but we have no REAL leverage.
So continue to pound you hollow chest, but the policies of THIS Administration have not only emboldened Russia, but have created serious problems for all of our Allies.

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Feb 25, 2022 11:14:34   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
the waker wrote:
Putin is doing what's best for Russia, just as we created a c**p in Ukraine during the Obama Administration in order to set up missile bases (the very aspect that set all of this off in the 1st place) in Ukraine.
Trump only said that Putin was a savvy advisary. He's been 3 steps ahead of Biden so far, so....
Also, I would research the difference between N**ism, C*******m, and for God's sake actually look up the meaning of f*****m.
We empowered Putin by shutting down our energy production making him the world's 3rd biggest supplier of energy.
We all knew from the start he wasn't going to just let NATO stack missile bases on his border.
Not really aure where the Left is comming from like we can do anything about this, we have No treaties with Ukraine, 30 trillion in debt, 5 years behind on hyper sonic missile designs (which they have thanks to China), and we are energy dependant on other countries again.
We not only have NO responsibility here, but we have no REAL leverage.
So continue to pound you hollow chest, but the policies of THIS Administration have not only emboldened Russia, but have created serious problems for all of our Allies.
Putin is doing what's best for Russia, just as we ... (show quote)


Damn...

Well stated ...

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Feb 25, 2022 14:52:00   #
PeterS
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Putin holds no fear of democracy...
That's absurd...
He's fighting for a stronger Russia...

And Ukraine makes for a stronger Russia? How? You need to explain that one whereas a free Democracy would be the only thing that can remove him from office...other than an assassin's bullet...so I'ii stick with my original premise.

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Feb 25, 2022 14:53:47   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
PeterS wrote:
As with all things right-wing fear is always is a central motivating factor. Here Putin fears the spread of Democracy into Ukraine and then Russia. This is why he has to control what happens in Ukraine if he is going to control what happens in Russia. Of course, what is ironic is that Putin says he's invading to protect the Ukrainians from N**ism all while being a f*****t and forcing Putin's version of authoritarianism on everyone!

And of course, Trump thinks Putin's moves are brilliant but what would you expect Putin's special lapdog to say...
As with all things right-wing fear is always is a ... (show quote)


The end result is misery for the Ukrainians; however, Trump was correct. Putin played chess while Joe played checkers.

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Feb 25, 2022 16:08:31   #
PeterS
 
the waker wrote:
Putin is doing what's best for Russia, just as we created a c**p in Ukraine during the Obama Administration in order to set up missile bases (the very aspect that set all of this off in the 1st place) in Ukraine.
Trump only said that Putin was a savvy advisary. He's been 3 steps ahead of Biden so far, so....
Also, I would research the difference between N**ism, C*******m, and for God's sake actually look up the meaning of f*****m.
We empowered Putin by shutting down our energy production making him the world's 3rd biggest supplier of energy.
We all knew from the start he wasn't going to just let NATO stack missile bases on his border.
Not really aure where the Left is comming from like we can do anything about this, we have No treaties with Ukraine, 30 trillion in debt, 5 years behind on hyper sonic missile designs (which they have thanks to China), and we are energy dependant on other countries again.
We not only have NO responsibility here, but we have no REAL leverage.
So continue to pound you hollow chest, but the policies of THIS Administration have not only emboldened Russia, but have created serious problems for all of our Allies.
Putin is doing what's best for Russia, just as we ... (show quote)

And what Missile bases did Obama put in Ukraine and why haven't the Ukrainians used them? If Zelensky had one targeting the Kremlin don't you think he would have called Putin so he could turn his forces around before his ass was vaporized? As for stacking missiles in Ukraine couldn't NATO just as easily stack them in Poland which is already a NATO member? How would flying them over Belarus or Ukraine instead of from Ukraine add more than a few minutes to a missile's flight path to make Ukraine such a threat to warrant invasion? Besides if we really wanted to nuke Putin couldn't we just sneak in with a B2 and make Ukraine totally irrelevant? No, Ukraine as a nuclear base is nothing more than a red herring. You are welcome to chase it but that's not the reason Putin decided that he HAD to invade Ukraine at this particular time...

As for the policies of this administration, with the exception of Trump's administration which we all know made no mistakes, ALL administrations could use the advantage of 20/20 hindsight when making their policy decisions. And yes, Canadian oil, would offset the need to import oil from Russia but importing oil from Canada doesn't quite make the US oil independent which I believe was your argument. No, if we were oil independent we wouldn't have needed oil from Canada, would we, so what did Biden do to make us dependent on foreign oil where we were oil independent before?

As for "doing research into the difference between N**ism, C*******m, and for God's sake actually look up the meaning of f*****m." Is that all or did or did you learn something from your research? Did you get to the part where F*****m is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy? BTW, Putin is a perfect example of Right-wing F*****m coming to fruition today.

And do all the "research" that you want but the difference between you and me is that I know where the warts associated with liberalism are and you haven't a clue (and will probably NOT accept any evidence that might give you one) where the warts associated with your ideology are. Simply put, the more conservatism disintegrates the more F*****t you will become. And if you don't think you are disintegrating just look how far you've gone from George W Bush and John McCain--one a US president and the other almost one-- to Donald Trump who loathed McCain along with conservatives today. So my question to you is; if you don't know the parts that make up your ideology how can you prevent it from becoming the worst that it can become?

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Feb 25, 2022 16:20:27   #
PeterS
 
AuntiE wrote:
The end result is misery for the Ukrainians; however, Trump was correct. Putin played chess while Joe played checkers.

And Putin would have played Trump like a violin. Neither one would have been able to stop Putin from doing what he's doing but be sure to point your finger at Joe so you don't have to look at the pile of crap that you elected.

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Feb 25, 2022 16:21:15   #
PeterS
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Damn...

Well stated ...

How? What part was well stated, because I seem to have missed it...

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Feb 25, 2022 17:07:57   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
PeterS wrote:
And Ukraine makes for a stronger Russia? How? You need to explain that one whereas a free Democracy would be the only thing that can remove him from office...other than an assassin's bullet...so I'ii stick with my original premise.


***And Ukraine makes for a stronger Russia? How?
>>>It keeps NATO off of its front door with their armies and missiles. Even a little kid should be able to see that. And that is what he wanted up front. Keep Ukraine neutral to act as a buffer between two old adversaries. He was smart enough to see that. But you hung on to a senile old ill********e p*******t with no good goals or accomplishments who is surrendering America to rabble illegal invaders, and staffing his military with girlie boys instead of men. It is hard to figureout what is worse, biden or his supporters.

Logically Right

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Feb 25, 2022 17:13:44   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
PeterS wrote:
How? What part was well stated, because I seem to have missed it...


It would take utter stupidity to miss it. Well said.

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Feb 25, 2022 17:22:13   #
son of witless
 
PeterS wrote:
And Putin would have played Trump like a violin. Neither one would have been able to stop Putin from doing what he's doing but be sure to point your finger at Joe so you don't have to look at the pile of crap that you elected.


Okay. So explain WHY Putin attacked when Obama was President and when Biden is President, while there was nary a peep out of him while my boy Donald J. Trump was our President ?

Well come on ? You ran your mouth. So if Trump was such a push over, why wait for tough guy Joe to take office ?
You can't because what you say makes no sense.

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Feb 25, 2022 17:53:33   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
There was no real democracy in Ukraine. The President shut down three opposition news sources and jailed the leading opposition leader.

All Putin demanded in the first place was for NATO to stop its eastward expansion, and that Ukraine could never join NATO. That would have put NATO missiles and such on Russia's border. A former and current adversary. Not only reasonable requests, but something that NATO should willingly agree to with Ukraine as a buffer between both sides. But your i***t biden wouldn't even talk about it. Henneeds this war to keep the news of his failing polls and his destruction of America off of the news.

If you could think with an open mind, you would know this and agree.

Logically Right
There was no real democracy in Ukraine. The Presid... (show quote)


This aspect of things is being ignored. The American media is embracing this authoritarian government in Ukraine and calling it democracy. How laughable!! Russia is more democratic than Ukraine.

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