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Oct 8, 2014 09:23:59   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Steve700 wrote:
But it sure does get the idea across and the crassness of it helps to bring up about the realization of why it is a defilement and degradation of the sanctity of marriage !!! For that reason sometimes I think being course is appropriate


:lol: :lol: :lol: You are right about it getting attention. I don't care if others use the term - it just isn't something that rolls easily off my tongue. One thing it does - it makes the left feel as defensive as do their taunts against conservatives and Christians make us feel. At least I HOPE it does.

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Oct 8, 2014 09:32:39   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Tasine - Progressives are NOT socialists, in fact they are the antithesis of socialism. When you learn the difference, talk to me.

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Oct 8, 2014 09:36:12   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
straightUp wrote:
Tasine - Progressives are NOT socialists, in fact they are the antithesis of socialism. When you learn the difference, talk to me.


I have no further need or desire to talk to you. I have plenty of friends to insult me. You are unneeded. You, like many around here, are a mind numbed self-centered know-it-all prick.

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Oct 8, 2014 11:04:39   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
Steve700 wrote:
Deliberate ignorance describes them perfectly !!! ------- Basically I would say I don't harbor much h**e for any of these people, but I certainly do for their ideologies and the disastrous consequences of it. I consider all human beings to be my brothers by virtue of being fellow human beings, and mostly have pity for the misguided, wanting only to bring them to the light. For God's sake they and their fellow ideologues are the biggest victims of their own ideologies. In the case of gays, I am without animosity towards them but think that gay marriage is a very bad and asinine idea. The reason is because fatherless children is a recipe for criminality and maybe the biggest problem in America today. Marriage is therefore sacred because it is the founding block upon which civilization and a nation is built. Therefore you don't defile and degrade marriage by using it to "Sanctify" Butt Fucking. Go ahead and give them the same advantages as the married but call it gay union or something, not marriage.
b Deliberate ignorance describes them perfectly ... (show quote)

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Oct 8, 2014 11:14:34   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
Steve700 wrote:
Deliberate ignorance describes them perfectly !!! ------- Basically I would say I don't harbor much h**e for any of these people, but I certainly do for their ideologies and the disastrous consequences of it. I consider all human beings to be my brothers by virtue of being fellow human beings, and mostly have pity for the misguided, wanting only to bring them to the light. For God's sake they and their fellow ideologues are the biggest victims of their own ideologies. In the case of gays, I am without animosity towards them but think that gay marriage is a very bad and asinine idea. The reason is because fatherless children is a recipe for criminality and maybe the biggest problem in America today. Marriage is therefore sacred because it is the founding block upon which civilization and a nation is built. Therefore you don't defile and degrade marriage by using it to "Sanctify" Butt Fucking. Go ahead and give them the same advantages as the married but call it gay union or something, not marriage.
b Deliberate ignorance describes them perfectly ... (show quote)


Oh boy, the hypocrisy is thick on this thread. When are you going to stop spending all this time and energy justifying your own h**e and resentment with this pretzel-logic? Let's talk about what we have in common, and how we need to bring all people together on a common platform. That's the only real hope this country has in order to deal with what's coming...

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Oct 8, 2014 11:23:01   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Tasine wrote:
I have no further need or desire to talk to you. I have plenty of friends to insult me. You are unneeded. You, like many around here, are a mind numbed self-centered know-it-all prick.

You don't HAVE to talk to me Tasine... (certainly no skin off my nose if you don't) But I reserve the right to comment on your bigotry. If you don't like it - don't post... or find a nice censored place where conflicting opinions aren't allowed.

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Oct 8, 2014 11:34:48   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
J Anthony wrote:
Oh boy, the hypocrisy is thick on this thread. When are you going to stop spending all this time and energy justifying your own h**e and resentment with this pretzel-logic? Let's talk about what we have in common, and how we need to bring all people together on a common platform. That's the only real hope this country has in order to deal with what's coming...


I think I understand what you are saying, and I'll offer to go first.
I am a conservative and I cherish individual freedoms and the right to life above any and all other issues.

If we say we live by the Constitution and the rule of law, let's DO IT and demand our elected officials and employees also live by same.

I believe there is a time for a nation to go to war and a time for it NOT to go to war. I feel going after bin Laden and Sadam Hussein was immensely justified. I feel WWII could have been avoided, but am glad we went. Viet Nam should have never happened. Neither should have Korea. Bay of Pigs was a fiasco.

I believe no one should be allowed to v**e if they cannot answer a couple of basic questions re the candidates, the US Constitution, etc.

I believe we should not have political parties. Every candidate should have to run on his own and justify why we should v**e for him. Every candidate should be required to have an internet page where he lists all of his info for people to know about him, and everyone who v**es should swear they have accessed the pages of candidates.

I believe the Bill of Rights is untouchable by government, and we should FORCE that untouchability.

I believe no one in authority will do a single thing that will make matters better. I believe citizens will have to do the heavy lifting. And I don't believe we will succeed to any degree worth the effort and troubles. I have suggested on several venues that citizens just NOT FILE INCOME TAX forms - forget about income tax. If everyone, if hundreds would do it, it could have some effect, but most will NOT DO IT because they assume others will renege and that ONE LONE person will spend time in jail and will probably lose everything he has. IOW, he doesn't trust that other taxpayers have his back - and that is probably correct thinking.

It is logical that no one wants war if war can be avoided. The flip side of the coin is that there comes a time when flipping that coin will DEFINITELY end in death.

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Oct 8, 2014 11:38:37   #
Steve700
 
J Anthony wrote:
Oh boy, the hypocrisy is thick on this thread. When are you going to stop spending all this time and energy justifying your own h**e and resentment with this pretzel-logic? Let's talk about what we have in common, and how we need to bring all people together on a common platform. That's the only real hope this country has in order to deal with what's coming...
You liberals make a lousy psychiatrists. You have to be grounded in reality to play that game.

Although being all about love and coming together is admirable and a great idea, you don't want to love stupid and indiscriminately,(ignoring or placating evil) and also it is really incomplete if it's just built on a fanticy if it does not include recognizing evil, calling it what it is and standing up against it. Therefore the t***h must come 1st, last and always ---- whether it's offensive or not.

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Oct 8, 2014 11:51:46   #
Steve700
 
straightUp wrote:
or find a nice censored place where conflicting opinions aren't allowed.
Don't worry Obama will have that accomplished before his term is "Supposed" to end.

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Oct 8, 2014 11:59:29   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Steve700 wrote:
Don't worry Obama will have that accomplished before his term is "Supposed" to end.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Yep!

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Oct 8, 2014 12:21:18   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
straightUp wrote:
Tasine - Progressives are NOT socialists, in fact they are the antithesis of socialism. When you learn the difference, talk to me.


So you would compare the Liberalism of John Locke, Adam Smith, and JS Mill, who advocated great personal freedom and great personal responsibility, a lassez-faire market economy, and very limited government with the "Liberalism" of today? The only thing I have seen today's Liberal's free with are restrictions on Liberty, and a huge governmental bureaucracy to enforce these restrictions, paid for with the restrictees' money. True Liberals wish for less, not more and more and more government. The only thing progressive I have seen about progressives is their progress toward an all powerful, authoritarian government which is the antithesis of the original meaning of "Liberal."

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Oct 8, 2014 12:36:32   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Tasine wrote:
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Good post!! Thanks for sharing. Had I been the author I'd not have used the term "liberal" when describing the political left as I don't believe many liberals continue to exist. They have all turned into socialists or c*******ts, or they have simply disappeared.

The political left, no matter what one calls it, is truly mentally deranged. It consists of narcissistic and severely evil tyrants as the end result of their being psychopaths or sociopaths. No one in his right mind can refer to either sociopaths or psychopaths as "normal people" with "normal thinking" because that would be a totally stupid thing to do and would show the speaker to be in bed with the psychopaths.

It is hard for me to imagine that all democrats favor the policies and actions of their "leaders" in DC who are robbing all of us blind with their pathological and insane laws and policies. It won't be long until we live under a tyrannical government equivalent to Fidel Castro's c*******t Cuba. No SANE person could want that, but the political left fights FOR it day in and day out, without ceasing. Is that crazy or is that crazy. I simply cannot believe my neighbors, most of whom are decent people, actually WANT AMERICA to become the same as Cuba or c*******t Russia, yet that is what their politicians are striving for. Oh, they won't call it that, but that's what it is, nevertheless. How can their v**ers possibly elect them in good conscience? By believing the most outrageous lies ever told, THAT'S HOW. The DNC is the devil incarnate, no doubt in my mind about that. I'd as soon live under Vladimir Putin's rule as under Harry Reid's rule, for instance. Actually I think I'd RATHER because Putin comes across as human whereas Reid doesn't. Actually, what I truly want is to live as an American in MY America as I've known it all my life. All changes have been political, and it has reached the point of being an o*******w of our form of government. Since when is o*******wing our form of government LEGAL? I believe it is illegal - so why is no one in authority challenging this takeover? This usurpation of America has happened in broad daylight and without apology. If what we are living under is a REPRESENTATIVE FORM OF GOVERNMENT, I'll eat a lizard. It IS NO LONGER A REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT. IT IS A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT THAT SHOULD BE ABOLISHED POST HASTE.

Every good thing that one can possibly perceive as "good" is being attacked and denigrated - this is THE way to destroy a nation, and the political left knows NOTHING more than it knows how to destroy good people and good things. Democrats never attempt to BEST anyone, they only stoop to deliberately DESTROYING everyone who gets in their way. It's logo SHOULD be the grim reaper, not the cute little donkey.

That's my rant for the day. I sincerely hope that if the democrats ever lose control of our government, we deport every one of their sorry asses to some far away island with citizenships revoked. Now THAT is deserving.
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It could just as well have been my rant for the day, but you put it better than I can. Thanks for a great post.

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Oct 8, 2014 13:03:50   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Loki wrote:
So you would compare the Liberalism of John Locke, Adam Smith, and JS Mill, who advocated great personal freedom and great personal responsibility, a lassez-faire market economy, and very limited government with the "Liberalism" of today? The only thing I have seen today's Liberal's free with are restrictions on Liberty, and a huge governmental bureaucracy to enforce these restrictions, paid for with the restrictees' money. True Liberals wish for less, not more and more and more government. The only thing progressive I have seen about progressives is their progress toward an all powerful, authoritarian government which is the antithesis of the original meaning of "Liberal."
So you would compare the Liberalism of John Locke,... (show quote)

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I couldn't agree more! Great comment!

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Oct 8, 2014 18:33:22   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Loki wrote:
So you would compare the Liberalism of John Locke, Adam Smith, and JS Mill, who advocated great personal freedom and great personal responsibility, a lassez-faire market economy, and very limited government with the "Liberalism" of today?

Yes, today's economists refer to it as Neo-Liberalism, something I mostly oppose and is a point of contention I have with my Libertarian friends, who are economically more liberal than I am. In matters of social justice I am just as liberal as they are. So in a technical sense, Libertarians are more liberal than Democrats because Democrats are economically more conservative. I suppose for that reason I align better with the Democrats.

Loki wrote:

The only thing I have seen today's Liberal's free with are restrictions on Liberty, and a huge governmental bureaucracy to enforce these restrictions, paid for with the restrictees' money.

LOL... You're referring to the Progressives and yes, if you're still talking about the market, then they ARE pretty liberal with their restrictions on liberty. I guess you can count me in on that one. There are reasons for that if you're interested.

Loki wrote:

True Liberals wish for less, not more and more and more government.

True liberals wish for liberty and historically they’ve always had to fight rulers for it. Officially, we are ruled by the government and so it's natural to think we have to fight the government to gain liberty, but there a growing awareness that the true rulers are in fact the oligarchs in the top 1% and the government is simply a means to their ends. This is not a new concept. Jefferson was well aware that the real powers that denied colonists their economic freedom were the banks in London who actually owned the colonies and used the Crown to enforce their will, which you can see very plainly in the Stamp Act. What Jefferson and the rest of the revolutionaries did was CREATE a government to ensure their economic freedom from the unfair policies of the British Mercantile system. Now we can argue the details of this particular story but the point I want to make here is that government is only a means to an end. As such, government CAN enforce a state of oppression but it can also be the sword of liberty itself as it was for Jefferson and company. To understand the motive for "more government" at least for most Progressives, you need to understand that each new regulation is a counter-balance to some other form of oppression.


Loki wrote:

The only thing progressive I have seen about progressives is their progress toward an all powerful, authoritarian government which is the antithesis of the original meaning of "Liberal."

Perhaps you can point out an example where the government is anymore authoritarian today than it was 15 years ago.

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Oct 8, 2014 18:36:50   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Steve700 wrote:
Don't worry Obama will have that accomplished before his term is "Supposed" to end.

You're giving him a lot of credibility there. Does he scare you?

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