skyrider

Here is my observation, which is not critical of the many interesting posts. I am very glad to see all the participation. As is easily done on any subject,
we have strayed a bit from Manning's original question of "how did this happen", in his personal experience. Personally I believe that the Universe was created by intelligent design, (God) but we have no way to make progress in knowledge before that point
at the present time. The chicken or egg paradox. The question of our consciousness and what it actually is, can not be said to originate in the brain because the brain is only a calculator, computer of sorts . Abstract thoughts, feelings, and opinions are not computational and therefore are derived from outside the brain. I believe that the left brain receives light waves from an object and forms an image of , for example, a Tree. The right brain accesses our eternal Soul being of experiences
and information and this is where our "opinion" is derived as to whether or not we like the physical aspects of the tree or we do not. The subject of our "minds" being a part of a conscious universe of all information that has ever been, can best be studied and discussed from the perspective of our actual experiences regarding the mystical
experiences that some of us have, that do in fact turn out to be a "fact". Beliefs, without physical experience of these events are also important in this study because those beliefs are non computational in the brain and are therefore are a product of the sourcing of information from the Cosmic mind. A great deal of progress is being made in quantum mechanics which is helping to understand the brain (receiver), and mind connection.
An interesting observation is that those with a dominant right brain use , are far more sensitive to
heightened interconnectedness . Generally they are left handed and therefore are easy to spot.
Additionally, since a wave =energy, and energy = a wave, matter = energy, and energy = matter, there is no reason to believe that the power of the mind is not able to produce and or interpret that which has been incorrectly dubbed
Paranormal but in fact is really completely normal.

skyrider

Everyone uses that connection or there would only be "awareness" . Consciousness is much more than awareness because we are "aware that we are aware". A concept that is not produced by the brain (not computable), but rather is a product of the mind.

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

It is fascinating where this discussion is trending, attempting to construct the Universe, God, and Man, and then Man's brain and mind. When I look at the problem of UM, I take a far simpler approach that avoids for me the necessity for establishing a universal order at the beginning. For the UM or UC idea to be at all useful, we have to be able to access it and use it and obtain a result of significance.

If we cannot access it and use it, our speculations about the Universe are just that, and the UM idea is very interesting, but it isn't within our grasp, as it were, to prove or even speculate on it meaningfully, other than to marvel at the instances of UM action that occur unbidden.

So, I am left with the idea that we should make an effort to access the UM directly by wh**ever means we can come up with. If that entails purification of the soul, well, so be it! Without any real access, we simply do not know much about the UM, except its presumed manifestations. Is it not possible that the manifestations could be generated by some other unknown or poorly known mechanism entirely, and not the UM? Is it possible that mindpower, especially collective mindpower of men could generate the effects we label as from the UM? This needs to be eliminated from consideration...or not! In a deterministic universe, there may be the means for predicting the future to some degree, and perhaps there are people that can do that.

skyrider

You are entirely right. At this point , our study needs to concentrate within that which we seem to have some control and look for the facts of that investigation. Going to far into speculation does not do much more than end in a brain fog that makes our rudimentary search even more difficult.

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

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Good! We agree! Does JW agree?

Our real first steps are simple: 1. collect and document what we do know about UM/UC. 2. Use what we find out about means for accessing the UM to make strong attempts to achieve that. 3. We either succeed or fail at this point, singly or collectively. I am assuming that we will know when we succeed! In addition, the more people we have trying the better, I believe! I classify this approach as a Bottom Up one, not a Top Down one. In general, you can begin anywhere, of course, in your research, but some approaches are easier than others. In the end, you will course through it all anyway, if you have success. The UM itself will tell us what is true, I suppose! Which leads me to believe we should figure out just what we must ask of the UM in step 1.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Same...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Group: Let's openly discuss a topic and our understanding of it...

You: This is the t***h, anything else is not worth discussing...

Group: So you're not interested in the discussion... Bye...

You: Why can't you guys be open minded and simply accept that what I said was true!

😂😂😂

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Fascinating discussion

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

A further thought. If we all agree on a set of ordered questions, and if more than one of us succeeds in reaching the UM, then we can compare answers, which would go a long way towards validating the exercise.

I will be off of OPP for a few hours, beginning right now! LOL!

skyrider

To that point Canuck, you being immersed in in An Eastern culture that is historically less materialistically
inclined and more inclined to a belief in reincarnation and therefore cosmic connectedness, could possibly be able to shed some important factual information, or factual observations on the topic had hand ??

skyrider

Indeed, if any readers of this thread would be willing to share an experience that they might have had, it would be
the way that this could be analyzed at a much deeper level. Accounts could be compared and hopefully lead to more
verification overall. However, how to do that, for many people is the problem , because we do live in a world of materialist science and to this day anything outside of that is
ridiculed, and ridicule is one of the greatest fears for the majority. I would be willing to post the accounts that I sent to you with even more that I forgot to include for you.

jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana

Amen, me too!

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

DASHY, The concept of natural law is when we first realized that all matter and energy follow natural patterns. We are now learning some amazing new natural laws as it pertains to atomic particles. It makes me amazed at the mind and will of the almighty. Scientists now believe that there may be universes with other natural laws. Of Course this is only conjecture. The Muslims believe that G-d lives outside of space and time. If you take that to its consequences, it means that G-d created the multiverse through natural law and knew what would happen in all time to come. That is far more amazing than just believing that G-d created reality through miracles. My definition of a miracle is something happening outside natural law through the will of G-d.

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

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This is probably the better way to proceed, on OPP rather than email, and it can draw in others, which is a plus, I think. We should start a new thread, however, with very specific rules for posting. This subject appears to bring out the theoreticians of theology, when we are trying "simply" to address the UM, and that very likely means mostly offline meditation, and some reporting here now and again.

Yes, I am willing to post more too, even my poltergeist experiences, which were far more extensive than I wrote to you about. Why that? Simply because it represents communication from the unknown, by some undetectable channel or channels. We do not know whether these odd channels are the same for UM as they are for the host of spiritual and poltergeist events some experience.

skyrider

What's with the inability to spell the word GOD. I would really like to know.