SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now

Easy - it was a “miracle”. You are welcome. 😁😁🤣🤣

(Yes, I recognized the satire.😉)

Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA

Finally... Thanks SGM B... I was beginning to think I twisted the satire a bit too hard and it came back and bit me in the a**.

Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA

Update:

Now the assistant director Dave Hall (who handed the gun to Baldwin) believes that Baldwin didn't pull the trigger.

""The entire time Baldwin had his finger outside the trigger guard, parallel to the barrel, and that he told me since day one he thought it was a misfire."

https://nypost.com/2021/12/02/rust-ad-backs-alec-baldwin-says-he-didnt-pull-trigger/

Is this possible with that type of revolver?

To me, it looks like Baldwin and Hall are putting the entire blame on the young (24) Armorer Hannah Gutierrez.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/armorer-rust-film-set-says-producers-overruled-her-safety-requests-2021-10-29/

I imagine a whole "Shiver of Lawyers" are lining up to cash in on this one.

Justice101

Whew! I'm glad that this is cleared up! Now we have to tell the looney lefties that SUVs don't k**l people without drivers; like the lying DNCCP media has been reporting about the Washeka Christmas parade massacre.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

I'm glad someone saw the satire and that we got that cleared up because for a moment there I thought you went off into the deep-end of leftism. Phew! Baldwin is definitely trying to project blame on the Armorer.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Best info I have is the pistol was an Italian made (Pietta) 1873 Colt 45 SAA replica.

I owned a Colt model 1873 SAA in 357 magnum, which also fired the .38 Special cartridge. Made by Colt, it was a mighty fine pistol. However, if not properly maintained, this particular pistol can be a very dangerous gun.

The hammer has three notches that engage the trigger sear. When you cock a Colt SAA, you will hear and feel three distinct clicks as the hammer is pulled back.

The first notch is the safety position. With finger off the trigger, pull the hammer back about a quarter of an inch, then ease it forward until the trigger sear engages the first notch. This prevents the firing pin from resting against the primer in the cartridge in the firing chamber, and is the preferred position for safely holstering and carrying a fully loaded pistol of this type. In this position, the trigger cannot be pulled.

(Note: if this particular pistol is carried with the hammer down, it is advisable to have no cartridge loaded in the firing chamber.)

The second notch is the half-cock position. With finger off the trigger, pull the hammer back just past half way, then ease it forward until the trigger sear engages the second notch. This position frees the cylinder to rotate for loading. In this position also the trigger cannot be pulled.

The third notch is the firing position. With finger off the trigger, pull the hammer all the way back until the trigger sear engages the third notch and the pistol is ready to fire.

If a pistol of this type has seen extensive use, as is probably the case with movie prop guns, and the pistol has not been properly checked and maintained, it is possible, even probable, that the hammer notches and/or the trigger sear are worn, damaged or even broken. If so, the Colt SAA is a very dangerous gun. It can fire without touching the trigger.

Accidents don't just happen, they are caused, most often through a series of mistakes, errors in judgement, negligence, violations of safety protocols, and so on.

In the event on the Rust movie set, the Colt replica in question was used by production crews for live target practice, they experienced at least two accidental discharges (they were not clear on this), and this should have been a red f**g indicating the pistol was not safe and that it should have been thoroughly checked by a qualified armorer or gun smith.

The big problem with the Rust movie production was the extremely limited budget - $7 million - so they were not able to hire top dollar professional production crews. Some members of the production staff walked off the set due to safety violations, the assistant director had a history of unsafe practices on a movie set, and the armorer they hired was inexperienced - her second movie - and she was reluctant to take the job.

Things added up, from all I have read on the event, poor planning, lack of organization, incomplete story boards, discontent among crew members, hiring inexperienced crews, carelessness along the chain of custody for firearm maintenance and handling, and, of course, C***d restrictions.

The movie armorer, more than anyone else, is responsible for the mechanical condition of all firearms used in movie productions. The armorer, Hanna Gutierrez-Reed, was hired to fill two positions on production staff which made it extremely difficult to focus on her job as an armorer, she claims she was understaffed, undertrained and overruled by her bosses when she tried to improve safety on the set.

In any case, if the Colt pistol was, in fact, defective, particularly if the trigger sear was worn or broken, it is entirely possible for the gun to fire without pulling the trigger.

We may never know all the details on what actually happened, but so far, lawsuits have been filed, but no criminal charges. The big question investigators are pursuing is how live rounds were loaded into the pistol.

So, until and if we know for certain the chain of events leading up to the accident. I am giving Baldwin the benefit of the doubt.

It may be proper for the actor to determine if the gun is loaded, but the mechanical condition of the firearm is the armorer's responsibility.

Elwood Loc: Florida

The local cops don't buy his story!

SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now

For anyone who might not understand, a single action revolver can NOT be fired unless the hammer is cocked - unless the pistol is dropped with hammer on loaded cylinder.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

If the trigger sear is broken or sufficiently worn, it will not engage any of the hammer notches when the hammer is pulled to cock the gun. Without touching the trigger, releasing the hammer will fire the gun.

If any of the hammer notches are sufficiently worn, damaged or broken, it is possible to have an accidental discharge.

Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA

So the matter can be resolved by a forensic investigation of the weapon. They have the gun in question so all of this will come out in court

Thanks Blade_Runner and SGM B for the info

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

A perfect storm of screw-ups.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You could put it that way, I suppose. But how is it possible to hold one man responsible for a perfect storm of screw-ups? That political tactic is very familiar.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

A perfect storm of several people screwing up things, but ultimately one person held and fired the gun and he is now trying to place the blame elsewhere, on everyone, except himself.

Justice101

Not only did the gun fire by itself, but it also pointed at two people by itself according to Baldwin.

SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now

Not without the hammer pulled back. Right?