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Dec 1, 2021 19:39:37   #
American Vet
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
What an interesting observation! And it could even serve as a sly, subtle remark, too.

I suspect there may be some false concept involved in the formulation of your statement, but am not sure.

Maybe you are thinking that people claiming g****rs which are not traditionally widely accepted have psychiatric disorders.

In any case, "helping those who have a psychiatric disorder" is a tricky matter (that is, it can be delicate or error-prone (and occasionally may even be dangerous)).

Supposing you were to encounter someone with a real psychiatric disorder (surely there are none around here, but when you are out in the world...), then, if I may make a suggestion, think "respect" first, and "help" only secondly, if at all.
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Dec 1, 2021 19:46:28   #
American Vet
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
What an interesting observation! And it could even serve as a sly, subtle remark, too.

I suspect there may be some false concept involved in the formulation of your statement, but am not sure.

Maybe you are thinking that people claiming g****rs which are not traditionally widely accepted have psychiatric disorders.

In any case, "helping those who have a psychiatric disorder" is a tricky matter (that is, it can be delicate or error-prone (and occasionally may even be dangerous)).

Supposing you were to encounter someone with a real psychiatric disorder (surely there are none around here, but when you are out in the world...), then, if I may make a suggestion, think "respect" first, and "help" only secondly, if at all.
What an interesting observation! And it could eve... (show quote)


No false concept at all; g****r dysphoria is a psychiatric issue. And yes, people who claim non-existent g****rs have some type of psychiatric disorder.

And yes; helping people who have a psychiatric disorder can have problems. That is why one refers those people to a psychiatrist. Even then there may not be an ideal (or even good) outcome.

I encountered people with psychiatric disorders frequently (almost daily) in my profession. And, as with all whom I encountered, I treated with respect and did what I could to help them - including seeking psychiatric help.

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Dec 1, 2021 23:56:16   #
RobertX8Y
 
American Vet wrote:
No false concept at all; g****r dysphoria is a psychiatric issue. And yes, people who claim non-existent g****rs have some type of psychiatric disorder.

And yes; helping people who have a psychiatric disorder can have problems. That is why one refers those people to a psychiatrist. Even then there may not be an ideal (or even good) outcome.

I encountered people with psychiatric disorders frequently (almost daily) in my profession. And, as with all whom I encountered, I treated with respect and did what I could to help them - including seeking psychiatric help.
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"... psychiatrist. Even then there may not be an ideal (or even good) outcome." That part is true.

"... as with all whom I encountered, I treated with respect..." Thank you. Such respect is worth a lot.

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Dec 2, 2021 00:02:35   #
The Ms.
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
"... psychiatrist. Even then there may not be an ideal (or even good) outcome." That part is true.

"... as with all whom I encountered, I treated with respect..." Thank you. Such respect is worth a lot.


Question: In your experience how many have a real biological issue. My niece was uncomfortable being female from time she was 2…..when she was 18 she became a boy. Thank You.

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Dec 2, 2021 01:34:03   #
RobertX8Y
 
The Ms. wrote:
Question: In your experience how many have a real biological issue. My niece was uncomfortable being female from time she was 2…..when she was 18 she became a boy. Thank You.


First, a bit of background: I grew up in a family where nobody seems to have ever thought of changing g****r. One of my relatives was a tomboy and may have later regretted having been a tomboy, but that doesn't count (because it seemed to be within the bounds of normalcy). Among all the kids I saw at grade school, they all looked normal sexually. So, there's nothing particularly unusual about my background.

Among the 15 (fifteen) or so people I've gotten to know the closest, two did have a real biological issue sexually, that I know about. So, if there were no medical interventions, those two might possibly have qualified as non-standard-g****red (because of the internal biological (hormonal) difference). In both cases the difference was changed, or "corrected", to make the person more "normal", and this was done by hormonal adjustment, nothing more. I can tell you that to the affected individual, it makes a big difference _when_ the hormonal adjustment is done, and it can be a rather personal matter. A delay of a few extra years can make a difference in how the person adapts or thinks about the self and others -- maybe in terms of self-esteem.

Aside from all that, I don't recall any other "real biological issue" with sexuality, in my experience.

If you're willing to believe experts, I think you could get better estimates of how often differences occur. I went to a 2-hour seminar once (20 years ago) about people who are gay (or "homosexual" or "gay and lesbian"). The seminar leader was a lesbian teacher from a local college. If I recall correctly, she said that if you have two children, then there's a 25% chance that at least one of them will be a non-standard g****r (which meant gay, lesbian, or bi-sexual).

That part is probably not the kind of "real biological issue" you asked about, though. I just wanted to talk about it anyway.

Of the roughly 150 (one hundred fifty) people closest to me in acquaintance, right now I remember three who were gay and said so; one was one of my roommates at college; one was one of my officemates at work, and one was another person in my branch at work. (Oh, now I'm remembering at least two more. They are more recent acquaintances.)

Much later, when I was learning some dancing, I joined a class that was mostly gay people, because it was teaching at the level I needed. The ones in the dance class were not in my "150 people closest to me in acquaintance". I didn't get to know them quite as well.

_All_ the gay (or homosexual or lesbian) people I've met have been nice people, with the usual talents people have, if not more, and I'm happy to have been acquainted with them all. (The other main non-standard g****rs I've heard about are asexual and bisexual but I either never met one of them or just didn't know that about them. There's also "polyamorous" but maybe that's not a g****r.)

And, by the way, in case anyone's wondering, one can dance with a gay person and it doesn't change anything. It doesn't turn you into a gay person. They're either a good dancer or not, just like anyone else. That said, for completeness I would have to admit that when I dance many times with a woman (I'm male heterosexual) in couples dancing, I do occasionally develop a sexual attraction to the dance partner. So, presumably, if I were gay or bisexual, the same could happen if I were dancing with one same-sex partner a lot.

During middle age, one of my friends told me that she had two children, a boy and a girl, and both of them were gay. The only reason I know is that she mentioned it to me. I never got to know her children. She was heterosexual, or at least had all the appearances of being so. If she were lesbian or bisexual I think she'd have told me.

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Dec 2, 2021 02:02:05   #
The Ms.
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
First, a bit of background: I grew up in a family where nobody seems to have ever thought of changing g****r. One of my relatives was a tomboy and may have later regretted having been a tomboy, but that doesn't count (because it seemed to be within the bounds of normalcy). Among all the kids I saw at grade school, they all looked normal sexually. So, there's nothing particularly unusual about my background.

Among the 15 (fifteen) or so people I've gotten to know the closest, two did have a real biological issue sexually, that I know about. So, if there were no medical interventions, those two might possibly have qualified as non-standard-g****red (because of the internal biological (hormonal) difference). In both cases the difference was changed, or "corrected", to make the person more "normal", and this was done by hormonal adjustment, nothing more. I can tell you that to the affected individual, it makes a big difference _when_ the hormonal adjustment is done, and it can be a rather personal matter. A delay of a few extra years can make a difference in how the person adapts or thinks about the self and others -- maybe in terms of self-esteem.

Aside from all that, I don't recall any other "real biological issue" with sexuality, in my experience.

If you're willing to believe experts, I think you could get better estimates of how often differences occur. I went to a 2-hour seminar once (20 years ago) about people who are gay (or "homosexual" or "gay and lesbian"). The seminar leader was a lesbian teacher from a local college. If I recall correctly, she said that if you have two children, then there's a 25% chance that at least one of them will be a non-standard g****r (which meant gay, lesbian, or bi-sexual).

That part is probably not the kind of "real biological issue" you asked about, though. I just wanted to talk about it anyway.

Of the roughly 150 (one hundred fifty) people closest to me in acquaintance, right now I remember three who were gay and said so; one was one of my roommates at college; one was one of my officemates at work, and one was another person in my branch at work.

Much later, when I was learning some dancing, I joined a class that was mostly gay people, because it was teaching at the level I needed. The ones in the dance class were not in my "150 people closest to me in acquaintance". I didn't get to know them quite as well.

_All_ the gay (or homosexual or lesbian) people I've met have been nice people, with the usual talents people have, if not more, and I'm happy to have been acquainted with them all. (The other main non-standard g****rs I've heard about are asexual and bisexual but I either never met one of them or just didn't know that about them. There's also "polyamorous" but maybe that's not a g****r.)

And, by the way, in case anyone's wondering, one can dance with a gay person and it doesn't change anything. It doesn't turn you into a gay person. They're either a good dancer or not, just like anyone else. That said, for completeness I would have to admit that when I dance many times with a woman (I'm male heterosexual) in couples dancing, I do occasionally develop a sexual attraction to the dance partner. So, presumably, if I were gay or bisexual, the same could happen if I were dancing with one same-sex partner a lot.

During middle age, one of my friends told me that she had two children, a boy and a girl, and both of them were gay. The only reason I know is that she mentioned it to me. I never got to know her children. She was heterosexual, or at least had all the appearances of being so. If she were lesbian or bisexual I think she'd have told me.
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Great information on hormone therapy early in life. I have never heard that mentioned! My niece wouldn’t wear a dress from 2 years old. None of us recognized her issue but I did see how tortured she was as a teenager. Amazing that it is not approached as a hormone imbalance.. seem to go straight to g****r change which is so drastic. I just wonder how many are being pushed to misidentify as something other then their biological sex…. Seems to be a fad. I really like thinking of this as a hormone problem. 🙏🙏🙏

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Dec 2, 2021 02:33:05   #
RobertX8Y
 
The Ms. wrote:
Great information on hormone therapy early in life. I have never heard that mentioned! My niece wouldn’t wear a dress from 2 years old. None of us recognized her issue but I did see how tortured she was as a teenager. Amazing that it is not approached as a hormone imbalance.. seem to go straight to g****r change which is so drastic. I just wonder how many are being pushed to misidentify as something other then their biological sex…. Seems to be a fad. I really like thinking of this as a hormone problem. 🙏🙏🙏
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Oh, keep in mind that _some_ of the non-standard people have non-standard hormone balances. There might be other ways that people are non-standard in their g****rs. Maybe there's a way that two people could have exactly the same hormone balances, but one of them's heterosexual and the other's gay. I don't know but I suppose that happens too.

There's also the possibility that a person might prefer, and/or be better off, with the non-standard hormone balance, without someone else intervening to "correct" what doesn't need to be corrected. Not everybody wants to be just "normal" or conforming to somebody else's standard.

In my opinion, in an ideal world we'd all be fluid about this, and open to many kinds of relationships and sexuality. I think the ideal would be to be polyamorous _and_ bisexual. However, I'm just a cautious person trying to keep up with normal life, and I feel lucky to be what other people regard as "normal"; and, instead of joining a free-sex commune, I merely got married and tried to look respectable to everybody. I don't have the personality for anything like promiscuity or non-standard sexuality, but if other people do, then I wish them the best and I hope they have fun and keep everything safe and kind. I wish I were more daring, but so far I'm not.

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Dec 2, 2021 03:01:43   #
The Ms.
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
Oh, keep in mind that _some_ of the non-standard people have non-standard hormone balances. There might be other ways that people are non-standard in their g****rs. Maybe there's a way that two people could have exactly the same hormone balances, but one of them's heterosexual and the other's gay. I don't know but I suppose that happens too.

There's also the possibility that a person might prefer, and/or be better off, with the non-standard hormone balance, without someone else intervening to "correct" what doesn't need to be corrected. Not everybody wants to be just "normal" or conforming to somebody else's standard.

In my opinion, in an ideal world we'd all be fluid about this, and open to many kinds of relationships and sexuality. I think the ideal would be to be polyamorous _and_ bisexual. However, I'm just a cautious person trying to keep up with normal life, and I feel lucky to be what other people regard as "normal"; and, instead of joining a free-sex commune, I merely got married and tried to look respectable to everybody. I don't have the personality for anything like promiscuity or non-standard sexuality, but if other people do, then I wish them the best and I hope they have fun and keep everything safe and kind. I wish I were more daring, but so far I'm not.
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Agree, life is confusing enough without trying to understand the alphabet life styles…. Just seems to me that there is no good reason for all the confusion. Maybe it starts with hormones from food. Kids seem to mature faster….growing earlier and larger. Not knowledgeable but something appears to be off!

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Dec 2, 2021 07:10:32   #
American Vet
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
First, a bit of background: I grew up in a family where nobody seems to have ever thought of changing g****r. One of my relatives was a tomboy and may have later regretted having been a tomboy, but that doesn't count (because it seemed to be within the bounds of normalcy). Among all the kids I saw at grade school, they all looked normal sexually. So, there's nothing particularly unusual about my background.

Among the 15 (fifteen) or so people I've gotten to know the closest, two did have a real biological issue sexually, that I know about. So, if there were no medical interventions, those two might possibly have qualified as non-standard-g****red (because of the internal biological (hormonal) difference). In both cases the difference was changed, or "corrected", to make the person more "normal", and this was done by hormonal adjustment, nothing more. I can tell you that to the affected individual, it makes a big difference _when_ the hormonal adjustment is done, and it can be a rather personal matter. A delay of a few extra years can make a difference in how the person adapts or thinks about the self and others -- maybe in terms of self-esteem.

Aside from all that, I don't recall any other "real biological issue" with sexuality, in my experience.

If you're willing to believe experts, I think you could get better estimates of how often differences occur. I went to a 2-hour seminar once (20 years ago) about people who are gay (or "homosexual" or "gay and lesbian"). The seminar leader was a lesbian teacher from a local college. If I recall correctly, she said that if you have two children, then there's a 25% chance that at least one of them will be a non-standard g****r (which meant gay, lesbian, or bi-sexual).

That part is probably not the kind of "real biological issue" you asked about, though. I just wanted to talk about it anyway.

Of the roughly 150 (one hundred fifty) people closest to me in acquaintance, right now I remember three who were gay and said so; one was one of my roommates at college; one was one of my officemates at work, and one was another person in my branch at work. (Oh, now I'm remembering at least two more. They are more recent acquaintances.)

Much later, when I was learning some dancing, I joined a class that was mostly gay people, because it was teaching at the level I needed. The ones in the dance class were not in my "150 people closest to me in acquaintance". I didn't get to know them quite as well.

_All_ the gay (or homosexual or lesbian) people I've met have been nice people, with the usual talents people have, if not more, and I'm happy to have been acquainted with them all. (The other main non-standard g****rs I've heard about are asexual and bisexual but I either never met one of them or just didn't know that about them. There's also "polyamorous" but maybe that's not a g****r.)

And, by the way, in case anyone's wondering, one can dance with a gay person and it doesn't change anything. It doesn't turn you into a gay person. They're either a good dancer or not, just like anyone else. That said, for completeness I would have to admit that when I dance many times with a woman (I'm male heterosexual) in couples dancing, I do occasionally develop a sexual attraction to the dance partner. So, presumably, if I were gay or bisexual, the same could happen if I were dancing with one same-sex partner a lot.

During middle age, one of my friends told me that she had two children, a boy and a girl, and both of them were gay. The only reason I know is that she mentioned it to me. I never got to know her children. She was heterosexual, or at least had all the appearances of being so. If she were lesbian or bisexual I think she'd have told me.
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There is a difference between 't*********r' and 'gay'.

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Dec 2, 2021 07:12:42   #
American Vet
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
Oh, keep in mind that _some_ of the non-standard people have non-standard hormone balances. There might be other ways that people are non-standard in their g****rs. Maybe there's a way that two people could have exactly the same hormone balances, but one of them's heterosexual and the other's gay. I don't know but I suppose that happens too.

There's also the possibility that a person might prefer, and/or be better off, with the non-standard hormone balance, without someone else intervening to "correct" what doesn't need to be corrected. Not everybody wants to be just "normal" or conforming to somebody else's standard.

In my opinion, in an ideal world we'd all be fluid about this, and open to many kinds of relationships and sexuality. I think the ideal would be to be polyamorous _and_ bisexual. However, I'm just a cautious person trying to keep up with normal life, and I feel lucky to be what other people regard as "normal"; and, instead of joining a free-sex commune, I merely got married and tried to look respectable to everybody. I don't have the personality for anything like promiscuity or non-standard sexuality, but if other people do, then I wish them the best and I hope they have fun and keep everything safe and kind. I wish I were more daring, but so far I'm not.
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Yet there are still only 2 g****rs - male and female. What you are describing as a 'hormone' imbalance does not mean their g****r is different.

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Dec 2, 2021 07:18:57   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Weasel wrote:
NORTH CAROLINA Lt. Gov Mark Robinson.
That is the way it is.


https://youtu.be/5GxN5tyLl0A


But, but, but, wait, you are going against the minority of this opinion. You will now be lambasted, canceled, and called every name they will come up with. But hey think of it as a c’est la vie moment when it comes and you can bet it’ll come, there’s plenty in here who will disagree.

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Dec 2, 2021 07:51:17   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
First, a bit of background: I grew up in a family where nobody seems to have ever thought of changing g****r. One of my relatives was a tomboy and may have later regretted having been a tomboy, but that doesn't count (because it seemed to be within the bounds of normalcy). Among all the kids I saw at grade school, they all looked normal sexually. So, there's nothing particularly unusual about my background.

Among the 15 (fifteen) or so people I've gotten to know the closest, two did have a real biological issue sexually, that I know about. So, if there were no medical interventions, those two might possibly have qualified as non-standard-g****red (because of the internal biological (hormonal) difference). In both cases the difference was changed, or "corrected", to make the person more "normal", and this was done by hormonal adjustment, nothing more. I can tell you that to the affected individual, it makes a big difference _when_ the hormonal adjustment is done, and it can be a rather personal matter. A delay of a few extra years can make a difference in how the person adapts or thinks about the self and others -- maybe in terms of self-esteem.

Aside from all that, I don't recall any other "real biological issue" with sexuality, in my experience.

If you're willing to believe experts, I think you could get better estimates of how often differences occur. I went to a 2-hour seminar once (20 years ago) about people who are gay (or "homosexual" or "gay and lesbian"). The seminar leader was a lesbian teacher from a local college. If I recall correctly, she said that if you have two children, then there's a 25% chance that at least one of them will be a non-standard g****r (which meant gay, lesbian, or bi-sexual).

That part is probably not the kind of "real biological issue" you asked about, though. I just wanted to talk about it anyway.

Of the roughly 150 (one hundred fifty) people closest to me in acquaintance, right now I remember three who were gay and said so; one was one of my roommates at college; one was one of my officemates at work, and one was another person in my branch at work. (Oh, now I'm remembering at least two more. They are more recent acquaintances.)

Much later, when I was learning some dancing, I joined a class that was mostly gay people, because it was teaching at the level I needed. The ones in the dance class were not in my "150 people closest to me in acquaintance". I didn't get to know them quite as well.

_All_ the gay (or homosexual or lesbian) people I've met have been nice people, with the usual talents people have, if not more, and I'm happy to have been acquainted with them all. (The other main non-standard g****rs I've heard about are asexual and bisexual but I either never met one of them or just didn't know that about them. There's also "polyamorous" but maybe that's not a g****r.)

And, by the way, in case anyone's wondering, one can dance with a gay person and it doesn't change anything. It doesn't turn you into a gay person. They're either a good dancer or not, just like anyone else. That said, for completeness I would have to admit that when I dance many times with a woman (I'm male heterosexual) in couples dancing, I do occasionally develop a sexual attraction to the dance partner. So, presumably, if I were gay or bisexual, the same could happen if I were dancing with one same-sex partner a lot.

During middle age, one of my friends told me that she had two children, a boy and a girl, and both of them were gay. The only reason I know is that she mentioned it to me. I never got to know her children. She was heterosexual, or at least had all the appearances of being so. If she were lesbian or bisexual I think she'd have told me.
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Nice reply and one that makes sense. Hormonal and balances can do drastic things to people who don’t even have an issue with whether or not they are gay etc.

Over the course of my years I’ve had the opportunity to meet any number of gay people and you are correct they are very nice, very helpful usually and sensitive is what I found to be most often a part of their character profile.

It’s all these other names people have come up with to self identify which clearly shows me there is some type of mental inconsistencies in these people. Perhaps even hormonal although they seem to be at a drastic level of change jumping to t***sitioning when in fact there is a higher percentage of suicidal rate in those who did. It’s been said by psychiatrists that changing the physical attributes of a person does not change the mental capacity of that person and with this I agree. You can’t change the mental structure of being born what you were and always knowing that you were born that g****r along with still not feeling comfortable in their own skin after having gone through so much to get there.

I don’t have an answer to it, what I do say is be what you’re going to be just don’t throw it in everybody else’s face or have a government who has absolutely no right trying to dictate what we are to believe and let these people live their life the way they want while we live our lives the way we want!

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Dec 2, 2021 10:36:00   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
The Ms. wrote:
Question: In your experience how many have a real biological issue. My niece was uncomfortable being female from time she was 2…..when she was 18 she became a boy. Thank You.


Did she have an Addadicktome?

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Dec 2, 2021 11:05:26   #
The Ms.
 
amadjuster wrote:
Did she have an Addadicktome?


????

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Dec 2, 2021 12:38:03   #
Justice101
 
The Ms. wrote:
There is only one based on DNA….. HUMAN!!!!!only one type of blood….. RED! How do manage to miss the obvious????


There is only one COLOR of blood which is RED. However, there are 8 different blood TYPES.

There are four major blood groups determined by the presence or absence of two antigens, A and B, on the surface of red blood cells. In addition to the A and B antigens, there is a protein called the Rh factor, which can be either present (+) or absent (–), creating the 8 most common blood types (A+, A-, B+, B-, O+, O-, AB+, AB-).

https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/blood-types.html

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