I have never believed in the "rapture"! (Page 2): You know, with or without a rapture, everyone needs to live each second as though it is the last. In that way, we can be as clean as...

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

You know, with or without a rapture, everyone needs to live each second as though it is the last. In that way, we can be as clean as possible when the time comes. I personally do not believe in death bed saving. That is a person that lives outside of the law or grace (as many Christians believe) and while dying confess and are then saved.

So, good for you and keep believing!!

cant beleve wrote:

The sixth seal needs opening then the "taking away" will begin. In my opinion. All "christians" need to be ready for any time. Period. 😇

rumitoid

Loki wrote:

Good point.

Gracias, mi amigo.

rumitoid

Loki wrote:

Gracias. I have no axe to grind in this discussion, no point to prove, I just wanted to insert some balance. I created a bit of a stir with Christmas/Mithra, and Easter/Ishtar, and the Sunday Sabbath. I have no quarrel with Christians, I just point out that so many of the original beliefs have been corrupted. If I believed in a Devil, I imagine he would be overjoyed at the number of Christians fervently defending non-Biblical doctrine.

Da nada. I had the Jesuits through part of my parochial education. They stressed an open inquiry--especially into those beliefs we may cling tightly to and have an emotional investment. Doubt everything, not in the sense of skepticism but more in the spirit of curiosity. Look deeply, not just closely, was the repeated message, and look for yourself. When I was in my anti-Christianty period as a Recovering Catholic, probing other religions and reading works by scholars critical of certain Christian beliefs, I came across Christmas/Mithra, and Easter/Ishtar, and the Sunday Sabbath as well. It helped break the spell of my education in the RCC, something like an initiation into true study.

It seems to me that a love of t***h has no defensiveness when a certain belief is challenged but rather an excitement of sorts to explore another avenue, either as a better to defend the faith or to correct possible error.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Zyro0713 wrote:

The bible does not say anything to regard my belie... (show quote)

Please read 1Thess. 4:13-18

rumitoid

Armageddun wrote:

Please read 1Thess. 4:13-18

Are you speaking of pre-trib, mid-trib, or post trib as regards the rapture?

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

rumitoid wrote:

Are you speaking of pre-trib, mid-trib, or post trib as regards the rapture?

Pre-Trib

rumitoid

Armageddun wrote:

Pre-Trib

Have you read the other comments, especially those by Loki and ginnyt? Are you open to re-examination of your view for the sake of being true to God's word?

rich boise Loc: Idaho

I am and I have and I still believe the pre-trib is most fitting using all scripture. I can't take the time right now to expand but I will soon. Pre-mid-post-amillenial, either way be ready to face God. It will happen. We will each be accountable to Him for how we have lived.

rumitoid wrote:

Have you read the other comments, especially those by Loki and ginnyt? Are you open to re-examination of your view for the sake of being true to God's word?

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

rumitoid wrote:

Have you read the other comments, especially those by Loki and ginnyt? Are you open to re-examination of your view for the sake of being true to God's word?

I do not claim to know what Jesus said He Himself did not know. The Pre-Trib position is what I have grown up with. I hold the position, "Thy will not mine be done."

Jesus gave many parables and teachings about the end times. I think the most important thing one can do is live as though He is coming today. Anyone who claims to know what Jesus said He didn't know is speculating just as I am.

All I know for sure is, I trust what the Bible says about the way to be reconciled to God. I have done that, I try to the best of my ability to submit to God's Word, follow the best I can the leading of The Holy Spirit. That includes doing unto others as I would that they do unto me; sometimes I succeed, sometimes I fail, sometimes I get rained out.

The silliest thing I ever heard is the old, "Would you like to be doing that when Jesus returns?" If God knows anything He knows everything.

I do not have any letters after my name, but being simple minded
allows me to have a simple faith.

Serenity54321

rumitoid wrote:

Da nada. I had the Jesuits through part of my paro... (show quote)

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Many changes have been made to Christianity throughout the years, most of them in an attempt to be more appealing to pagans. You are absolutely correct. Easter and Christmas as we celebrate them today are pagan holidays named after pagan Gods. Does that mean we cannot prayerfully surrender during a time of remembrance regarding Jesus's birth and resurrection? Of course not. But if a Christian thinks Christmas trees and Easter bunnies are Biblical commands we must follow are simply, quite frankly, being silly.

Friday at sundown to Saturday at sundown is the true Sabbath. It never has been nor ever will be Sunday. Keep looking up.

Serenity54321

ginnyt wrote:

Thank you, I should say now that I did borrow some of the information for another person years ago and I am sorry, but I do not see in my notes to whom that credit belongs. I should have taken more time and made sure that credit was given to that individual. I will keep searching, when I find it I will amend my post with their reference.

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Ginny, that was an amazing analysis, and food for plenty of thought. I will be doing some research, however, and getting back to you. I read an article somewhere that a research scientist was murdered recently while working on the human genome project. The reason he was murdered is because he found small fragments in all present-day human DNA that are NOT human and NOT animal. In fact, these tiny fragments could not be identified as any known species at all. He was violently k**led shortly after releasing his work.

(This would question whether Noah was 100% pure genetically. He may not have been.)

I need to look up the article and release the information to you.

Secondly, I have a question about a verse in Revelation to ask you.
Please stand by, and thanks for your post.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I am interested. Have you read the book of Enoch? Interesting stuff! This was not included in the Catholic's Bible, along with a few dozen others, it touches on ideas regarding the beginning; to include Adam, Eve, and the Watchers.

I look forward to your post.

Serenity54321 wrote:

############ br Ginny, that was an amazing analysi... (show quote)

rumitoid

Armageddun wrote:

I do not claim to know what Jesus said He Himself ... (show quote)

I agree. If we have truly given ourselves to Christ, the End Times is of no concern. Whether later on today. tomorrow, this year, or 1000 years from now, the kingdom of God is NOW! Rapture or no rapture whenever is of no concern: each moment, as ginnyt says, is our end.

rumitoid

rich boise wrote:

I am and I have and I still believe the pre-trib is most fitting using all scripture. I can't take the time right now to expand but I will soon. Pre-mid-post-amillenial, either way be ready to face God. It will happen. We will each be accountable to Him for how we have lived.

Paul wrote about "disputable matters" in Romans14. Pre, mid, post is nothing to argue over or cause for division. A literal "wait and see" attitude is appropriate.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

rumitoid wrote:

I agree. If we have truly given ourselves to Christ, the End Times is of no concern. Whether later on today. tomorrow, this year, or 1000 years from now, the kingdom of God is NOW! Rapture or no rapture whenever is of no concern: each moment, as ginnyt says, is our end.

Amen