rumitoid

There are many ways some of us can justify what happened to the young Black man John Crawford in Walmart but that would mean failing to recognize a) the reality of the situation and b) the obvious r****m involved.

This young man picked up an air rifle, BB gun, from the rack and walked a little bit around the store with it before going back to the section and sort of playing with it. 911 was called. The police arrived and demanded he drop the gun. Crawford dropped the air gun immediately, and then police shot and k**led him.

"Now, I know some of you are thinking, “Holy cow, are you an i***t? The dude was carrying a gun around Walmart!”

"Only partially true– he was carrying a BB gun– one that came off the shelf and was available for purchase. When the cops showed up, he even dropped the BB gun, but they k**led him anyway.

"But let’s say he was actually carrying a real gun around Walmart… well, that leaves us with another big problem: white people do this all the time. There’s actually a big “open carry” movement where folks bring their assault rifles to Walmart or wherever, and demand to shop without being hassled. A quick Google search will bring up plenty of photos of folks open carrying in public."

Read more and watch the video at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/how-many-john-crawfords-before-we-admit-theres-a-problem/#ixzz3ESbSONXt

PeterS

Was it in a shopping cart? A black man carrying a gun in Walmart was going to steal it--thus the justification for his death sentance.

My god, is this your first dance or what!

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Cudos for trolling with the title. That was obviously your intent.

Here is a video that shows you're either a liar or just didn't bother to check a credible news source. The 2nd video block clearly shows that Crawford not only refused to drop his gun but he waved it around like a lunatic when asked to drop it.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/09/no-charges-john-crawford-iii-walmart-shooting-video.html

IOW - Sorry Rev Sharpton... The video evidence is in so you need to go start race r**ts elsewhere.

Rummy.. I believe you can tell the honesty of a person when he's caught in a mistake. Does he apologize (when necessary) and correct himself? Or does he double down on the false statement.

The 1st is an honorable person that erred. The 2nd is a liar.

Snoopy

Super Dave

What makes you think you are going to get an answer from Rumitoid?

He is backed into a corner by his own mouth.

Snoopy

Kirk

So did you read the story about the white man who was exiting a 7-11 and was shot and k**led by a black police officer and that man wasn't even armed? He didn't commit any crime. The police drew their guns and told him and his two friends to get down. He was wearing an ear bud. They shot him. Also I have yet to see anyone carrying a weapon in Walmart. Is it legal to carry a weapon in that state? Are other people carrying weapons in that Walmart in that state?

Loki Loc: Georgia

I am not familiar with this incident. I do know that here in GA., people carry openly in WalMart and some of the supermarkets and restaurants all the time. I personally almost always carry concealed. There is obviously more to this story than "innocent young black man gets shot." I seem to remember that's how Trayvon Martin started out. Where did this shooting occur?

PeterS

In the pet isle of Walmart. They were afraid he might shoot an innocent guppy....

PeterS

Yeah, yeah I heard about that. What gives, b****s can k**l w****s but w****s aren't allowed to k**l b****s anymore? Thats not fair--just because it was open season on them for two centuries doesn't mean they now get a free pass, right?

PeterS

Oh yeah, clearly he was another black who should have been executed.

Check out another view

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/08/police-dont-shoot-and-k**l-violent-white-man-at-walmart/

Oops, wrong video...

Loki Loc: Georgia

Ask an asshole a perfectly legitimate question.......... . By the way, Einstein, you misspelled "aisle." (Unless, of course, WalMart owns an island of pets somewhere ).

PeterS

Well, Einstein couldn't spell. And what is your problem? You asked a question and it was answered. He was shot in the pet department of Walmart while threatening a tank full of fish. I confess, I couldn't see if they were guppy's. I made that up..

And the story is the same as every other one: Scary black man frightens cops. Cops k**l scary black man. Conservatives all feel much safer and defend cops--even though they actually don't like them. End of story. Okay!

Loki Loc: Georgia

I asked a question and you couldn't restrain your inner 5th grader from a futile attempt at mordancy. You are a poignant example of why dumb ass should not attempt smart ass.

1OldGeezer

Rumitoid,
You are right in your first statement, there are more than just one explanation (r****m) for what happened but you seem "dead" set on saying we are all r****t.

You do realize that the incessant beat from this admin (and people like you) that the white people h**e the black people is causing more r****m instead of correcting any problems there might be?

But, that beat won't stop, because it is helpful to Obama politically for the races to be separated; hence the 90% black v**e for Obama/Democrats and the false notion that more government preferences will alleviate the problem.

This never ending racial beat creates resentment in both the white and black citizens. Speaking for myself, I resent being called a r****t and I'm sure all black citizens who believe that I am a r****t resents me because he thinks I don't like him simply because he is black. This ALWAYS jumping to conclusions to claim r****m is only causing further racial division; it is one of the prominent features of this administration.

There will always be some r****m, and many other vices as long as there are imperfect human beings, but in looking around at all my friends and acquaintances I don't find any appreciable personal bias based on race. I believe this is the case all over the country. If we weren't exposed to this politically motivated claim of racial bias we could better resolve this issue on an individual basis without "help" from the government (who is actually only "helping" itself).

Consider how strong the "beat" has been in the last six years; honestly, has the racial issue gotten better or worse??? Consider, Are we more divided now that we were six years ago? I say it is VERY obvious that we are more divided now than we were six years ago.
How is this program of ALWAYS blaming r****m working out in reducing racial tensions? If it is not working, then, being a GOVERNMENT program you would expect to just see the effort doubled, right?

Isn't it time now to quit this blaming r****m first even before the investigation, and look for the legitimate reasons first?

I don't really have any high hopes this will happen because it is politically expedient for this government (and the race hustlers) to blame r****m first and always; it justifies government expansion and "buys" Democratic v**es and keeps the hustlers in business.

1oldgeezer

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

This is the second or third post on this. I see that there is reason for concern, but not in the same way that you may. I see a phenomena called death by cop. Yes, it is a real condition and has been studied for a few years. I am not saying that this is the case with this incident, but it has to be considered. Many of the death by cop seem to be people that are looking to end their own lives. Often these people will have empty guns or toy guns that appear real, they put policemen in the position of having to use their weapons. Often times, these people who opp for death by cop is banking on their family suing the state or county under wrongful death. Most do and receive sizeable lumps of money. It is a split second decision on the part of the responding police. In this case, they (the police) were given information that was specific. They were told that he (Crawford) was armed, appearing to be loading a weapon and pointing it at shoppers.

We have no idea of the mental state of the individual in this case, what we do know is he and his friend went to this Walmart some distance from their residence, not shown in your video, she apparently completed her shopping and was waiting for him at the entrance of the store. A good while later, Crawford is still in the store walking around with the gun, sometimes on his shoulder, sometimes at his side and at times pointing it at other things. We also know, from tapes that he approached the exit with the gun. Now then, an individual in the store calls 911 and reports: "Ronald Ritchie, told a dispatcher that there “was a gentleman walking around with a gun in the store,” that “he’s like pointing it at people” and the man appeared to loading what looked like a rifle and “waving it back and forth.” We do not know, because the videos are not close enough to see, if Crawford was on his phone as claimed by some. And we do not see in the video if Crawford was shot first and then dropped the gun, or if he dropped the gun first. We do know that he was shot twice, once in the elbow and once in the torso. The grand jury interviewed 18 witnesses before they decided to not convict the officers.

Clearly the police did not single Crawford out, they responded to what they thought was an individual brandishing a loaded weapon. Notice that in the 911 call, Richie did not mention the color of the man with the gun. And we are not privy to what the 18 witness had to say. Therefore, it is really stretching the story to say that a black man was singled out, because the police are raciest, to murder.

Now let us address your comment about Walmart's open carry rules. I could not find a reference to that policy, but I do have a copy of a policy regarding firearms in Walmart:

""DATE: Friday, April 16,1999 2:13 PM

Subject: RE: Firearms

Thank you for contacting Wal-Mart regarding our concealed handgun policy. Wal-Mart was founded by Sam Walton on three basic principles. Strive for Excellence, Service to our Customers, and Respect for the Individual. It is that respect for the individual that led us to create the current policy pertaining to concealed handguns.

The following is our policy......If a Wal-Mart customer has been awarded a concealed handgun license by the state government, Wal-Mart will follow the direction of the state. However, if at anytime while on Wal-Mart property, that customer's concealed weapon becomes visible to Wal-Mart associates or customers, Wal-Mart reserves the right to ask the customer to either reposition the weapon so that it will not be visible, to remove the weapon completely or to leave Wal-Mart property, With the exception of law enforcement personnel, Wal-Mart does not allow any exposed weapons to be worn or carried in public view on Wal-Mart property or in Wal-Mart stores. Customers other than law enforcement personnel wearing or carrying a weapon in an exposed manner will be asked to leave the property immediately.

We appreciate your concern and trust that this message has addressed your concerns regarding this issue.

Thank you,

Wal-Mart Stores, Inc."

In the available video, I do not see where any representative of Walmart approached this individual. And I have no idea of why no one challenged him, other than the thought that I would not. While we can review this case in hindsight and we know that the gun was in fact a toy, no one at the time other than Crawford, knew this fact. I would do as the caller to 911, report it to the police and let them handle it.

angery american Loc: Georgia

I am still waiting to get all the facts on this case before I make a decision as to who is guilty of what..Since I am from Ga. also, I also see people open carry all the time...I like Loki prefer to carry concealed, less stares and I don't need any undue attention. I do believe some people have a misconception about open carry...I have yet to see anyone walking around in Walmart or anywhere else in public carrying an AR15, or any kind of assault rifle , or shotgun...All open carry's that I see are holstered pistols, carried by ordinary looking citizens...SO far I haven't seen any paramilitary type people walking around carrying pistols like they are looking for a fight...A first glance at most of these folks and you assume that they are off duty police officers, or security personnel.