larry

Well, marriage by definition is a union of man and woman, That is the t***h of it. What is wrong with a civil union for gays. if that is what they desire. It does not have to be called marriage for it to be just as lawful and useful as a relationship. Marriage is a religious term that has always carried a spiritual covenant connotation. It is a spiritual contract honored by religion. If it is not performed by a recognized religious sect, it is assumed to be outside of the religions guidelines.

Only religious people care about that, and those that are not religious should not try to attach the same covenant structure to their union. It is unearned and unsanctioned by the religion. A civil contract is a secular invent, and should stay that way. It does not do any good to try to enforce the religious connotation to it because it degrades the religious construct.

larry

Yes, but your brain comes from God./

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Good Job Larry, I have been saying that in legalese, and constitutionally, but you are correct. For marriage is a spiritual contract between a man and a woman, as well as a lawful contract. For religious members the marriage contract is eternal. For those outside of religion, marriage by itself does not apply. So if the homosexuals deem themselves as a religious sect, like Satanism, then the government cannot recognize them as an establishment, and cannot prohibit the free exercise thereof. Of course this is meant within reason however.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

lololol Good one! I was going to go on the aspect that self-awareness comes from God, but "Your brain" will work too. lol :D

PeterS

The target audience for Roadrunner is children and the target audience for the above three are adults. The problem with the Roadrunner wasn't violence but that violent (stupid acts) were portrayed as not causing any harm. Not exactly the message we should be teaching children--though you are welcome to teach your children that violent stupid acts are A-Okay...

PeterS

Does it? You probably have a better chance of proving god then you do that he created a brain.

PeterS

A dog is self-aware. How is self-awareness come from god?

larry

So, you do not believe that your brain was designed? What fantastic phantasmagoria could have done it otherwise. First of all, nothing comes into existance without reason. If you deny external reason for the human body, to what do you attach its uniqueness.

larry

All animals are born with the same necessary elements of character. They even have their own language, be it physical or vocal that you do not understand. God designed them too.

larry

stupid is as stupid does.

PeterS

Bulls**t. Total, complete, and absolute bulls**t. If that were the case religious people would not get divorced. They do however, at a rate equal to or above the rest of the county.


One, my wife and I were married outside the church and marriage certainly does apply. Two, why would homosexuals deem themselves a religion? The fact that you cannot use your religion to discriminate against homosexuals doesn't mean they should be forced to declare themselves a religion to receive constitutional protection from you. The first amendment prevents you from legislating your religious beliefs over others. As I asked you earlier: if in a nation, where the majority is Christian, we legislate our beliefs have we not established a national religion??? This is the premise behind the separation of church and state. Our nation was established by Man to rule over man not by god to rule over man. If you truly desire a theocracy then look to the middle east and see how successful it is. It's not, but one of the worst forms of tyranny out there.

PeterS

Or Natue, depending on your perspective...

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Then why are the three cartoons I mentioned broadcasted on Fox at the time when children are awake? I remember when living on the east coast years ago, at about ten PM, the networks would broadcast "It is ten PM do you know where your children are?"

The problem is not God, nor Religious groups. The religious groups tend to add to the problem by trying to solve the problem and getting out of hand. Ever see an overwhelmed preacher? Jimmy Swaggart comes to mind.

No, the problem is with in the home. Parents must take responsibility for their children and teach their children well. That is where the problem begins. For if children are taught well then the school shootings will not occur like they do.

The family unit, from a******n, to challenging gays, to broken families, to uneducated people growing up, and dealing with problems as best they can, without the security of a family, is what is destroying our country. It starts at home. Government and religion starts in the home. Without the foundation of a secure family unit, then the child doesn't understand the society he enters into, and finds for himself a way of life that he dreams is real, but is not.

Couple that with the instant gratification, then we see the dease deepen. This disease is the disease of evil. Shaking at the very core of the Country.

It does not matter the principles that the Bible or even the principles the constitution was built on, if the family unit, which is the foundation of this country is broken.

What a mess we have! I have seen a trend here in the United States. From the late 80's until now. I have seen families starting to come back together through the Reagan and Daddy Bush administrations, and by the Clinton administration, because of the relentless efforts of extreme liberalism, watched the somewhat put back together families, torn apart once again.

Then I saw tragedy hit the country in 2001, during sonny Bush's administration, and families trying to get back together, just to be torn apart again by the Obama administration.

What good is freedom, when the land of the free is in utter chaos? What good is freedom when it more like s***ery. What needs to happen is the family must be put back together, and defended.

Bush, Jr. attempted by the protection of marriage act, to keep the American family intact. And yet still there are those who want the American family broke apart.

Marriage is a sacred union between a man and women, we covered that, but there is more to marriage then just a lawful and spiritual contract. Both people must work together, to educate the fruit of their love, to be productive members of society. Whether you read this as a secular, or whether you read this as a faithful follower of your faith, you know this to be true.

If the family unit of America is destroyed, then America is destroyed. No family in America, there is no America. You can import as many i******s as you want, Mr. Obama, you can set up societies all over this nation. It will all fail, for you forget the basic root of the country. That is the father and mother, raising their children in peace, prosperity, and love. Without this unit of human existence, freedom means nothing. The constitution has no one to defend it, and the people in government become s***es to the almighty dollar.

The family has been under attack for some time now, from the elimination of prayer in school, from a******n to euthanasia, to gay marriage. If the government can relax on some laws and be strict on others, I say bring back the adultery laws.

While I was in the Navy, and according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which is in accordance with the United States Code of Federal Law, Sodomy is prohibited in Federal service. Sodomy is defined by this code as anal or oral sex. It is a law that is not enforced.

Adultery is also prohibited according to the UCMJ and USC yet that is not enforced.

But You'll be damned that murder and theft are vigorously enforced. If the family is to be protected, then why not enforce laws pertaining to the family, like Sodomy, incest, fornication, adultery, protecting marriage, protecting the family, decency laws and etc?

Are we afraid of offending someone? What is better when saving someone from drowning, offending them, or their life? The survival of the Nation depends on the family. For from the family come your doctors, lawyers, soldiers, sailors, government officials, tradesmen, professionals, and any new technology that is discovered. Our country was built on the sweat and blood of these families, not on the sweat and blood of the individual but on the backs of these families. It was the families that came over on the Mayflower, it was the families that pioneered west. It was these same families that fought each other over s***ery and won freedom for the families of the s***es. It was these same families that fought against the Germans in two World Wars. These same families destroyed c*******m.

Yet today we claim that these families are evil and wrong. We worry about immigration rights and gay rights, but what about the family rights?

No instead we have institutions that protect the women and the men. Protect the children, and these institutions break up the family. CPS is intended to help the family in hard times in both the parents relationship and economic hardship, it has turned into an organization under the rule of law, to enforce the destruction of families.

So now, I have not stated the true root to all the problems facing the United States today. And the root is with the family. And now my question to you is this: What are you going to do, to protect the family?

What good is civil rights if there is no one to enjoy them?
What good is the constitution if no one follows it?
What good is all the laws on the books if no one follows it?
What good is all this debate on the OPP is no one acts upon its wisdom?
What good is knowledge and wisdom, instruction and faith, if no one utilizes it for the benefit of the family unit?

What good is the United States, with out its families?

For without the families, all the United States is, is the central part of the North American Continent laid to waste because they destroyed their family unit. Such a sad logical demise of such a great country tempered by war, but built in faith and love of family. What a pity!

And since many do not believe in God, who will you turn to?

As for me, I have faith in God. And through Him the country will come around again, and be bigger and stronger than ever. I am not waiting on God for this to happen, instead I'm waiting until the realization of what I wrote takes effect on the human person. For it will be at that time that God will begin His work, and America will return to splendor. Good night my contemporaries, I'm tired now. I will debate with you later.....

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

The first amendment also prevents the government in prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Remember, I posted it numerous times. The first amendment does not prohibit me to preach, it just prohibits me in establishing a state run religion.

incase you forgot read the statue again:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

No where does it say that I cannot legislate a religious principle, rather it says I cannot establish a state sponsored religion.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion!

Show me that by posting the ten commandments on a court house, I am "respecting an establishment of religion"?

By telling me to remove it however, the government is thus, "prohibiting the free exercise of thereof"

Tell me I am wrong. Got it black and white for you. Unless the English Language has changed, which is possible for we use American English not the Queen's English, but still, black and white. Common sense. By posting the Ten commandments on a court house, exhibiting a representation of a law written in stone, I in no way are "establishing a religion" but rather when the law comes to ask me to take it down, they are "prohibiting the free exercise of that religion."

Wow, what a loophole. Thanks PeteS, Thank you. I found another misconception of previous lawsuits of this manner. Man, I got to quit being an electrician and take the bar exam and become a lawyer. Constitutional law only.

larry

Divorce is a failure of the constituents of the covenant. It is not condoned by the Christian Religion, but is an event of release seized upon by incompatible unions. Christian religion does not sanction it, but it happens, and it is up to those that implement it to make their own character adjustment to it. Divorce in religion does not release them from the covenant, only death does that.