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Sep 13, 2014 13:21:06   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
larry wrote:
There is a big difference in the philosophy of socialism and Christian Religion, Socialism is share by force, and Christianity is sharing by love. You do not need a god to believe in unselfish and cooperative behavior, you just need to recognize that you are not your own god. The recognition that you did not create yourself, is enough, because it will eventually lead you to seek your purpose in life. Once you start that path, you will find you need God to understand yourself. Without God to define good and evil, evil will triumph. There needs to be a recognized moral authority or morality is non existent. Without an unchallengeable moral standard, chaos reigns supreme.
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Sep 13, 2014 13:32:37   #
larry
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
In the famous words of D**gnet, lets stick to the subject at hand. Evolution and Religion. Let's not degrade ourselves to name calling, please. I am sure, we can list all the cuss words and the volumes of derogatory statements that the internet has to offer. But I believe this topic was directed toward Evolution and God. It should be called Good vs. Evil. Or God vs. Science. Which is it? For to support God, we the faithful use the witnesses testimony, which is in fact the bible. We the scientists use our scientific witnesses. Both of which confirm each other, for if a man, is objective, and if a man steps out of faith for a single moment, (whether that faith is in God or is in science,) we come to find that Science complements God and I'm sorry for all the seculars out there, since the Bible was written by man, and since Science was written by man, and man is fallible, how could man, without faith accept either?
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Ranger, calm down, these rebuttals are all useful. Maybe you are looking for a complete and uncomplicated answer and are sure there is one. I agree with you that after all these years if no one has come up with an alternative to creation as experienced by our forbearers, the chance of new thinking will probably not do so either.
Evolution is anti-god. It is an attempt to dismiss God as an invention of mankind using wishful thinking cloaked in pseudo scientific constructs. Satan is using wh**ever dumb thought he can plant into our brain to advance his agenda.

If you believe in God, you must stand firm, if you do not, anything goes.

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Sep 13, 2014 14:08:22   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
bdamage wrote:
Disturb me?

On the contrary. You amuse me.

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Sep 13, 2014 14:49:48   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Not all socialism is share by force. The European socialism of the kind found in Denmark is democratic. In can be v**ed in and out.
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Sep 13, 2014 15:25:59   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Not all socialism is share by force. The European socialism of the kind found in Denmark is democratic. In can be v**ed in and out.


Denmark?
They are at the halfway point to full blown Shariah Law my friend.

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Sep 13, 2014 15:28:26   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Science of Uncertainty
by Dr. Elizabeth Mitchell on September 8, 2014

“Science Is Not About Certainty” a noted theoretical physicist writes. For many people that might be a startling claim.

http://answersingenesis.org/what-is-science/science-of-uncertainty/?utm_source=answers-weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_content=main-question&utm_campaign=aw09132014&utm_source=Answers+in+Genesis&utm_campaign=395e66d5d3-aw09132014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fb5c16b04b-395e66d5d3-136791925&mc_cid=395e66d5d3&mc_eid=513ee9e1ef

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Sep 13, 2014 15:30:19   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
bdamage wrote:
Denmark?
They are at the halfway point to full blown Shariah Law my friend.

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Sep 13, 2014 16:06:48   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Alicia wrote:
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Facts please. :roll: ;) ;) ;)


I did not do an in-depth study, but...upon Googling 'ShariaLawinDenmark', I found that 18% of Danish Muslims wish for Sharia Law in Denmark. Note I said 18% of Danish Muslims, not all Danish. In Great Britain, 61% of British Muslims want Sharia Law. Again, not 61% of all British citizens, just the British Muslims. Muslims remain a small minority of the population of both countries, to my knowledge. If that minority takes control due to apathy from other groups, it could happen, I guess. Whose fault would that be?

Although I am certainly not in favor of Sharia Law under any circumstances, it is not surprising that many Muslims wish for it...just as Christians prefer Judeo-Christian Law. It should not be hard to believe those of any Faith would prefer their own Faith-based laws. Faith is very personal.

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Sep 13, 2014 16:30:16   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
bdamage wrote:
Science of Uncertainty br by Dr. Elizabeth Mitchel... (show quote)


Very good article, Bdamage. There are many types of science, and I think it commendable that scientists in all fields remain open to the evolution of those fields according to new findings or revelations.

There are many religions, also, and I could say, with some certainty, that they are all quite confident/smug as to their authenticity, even though many...in varying degrees, differ from one another. Yet, each claims their's the true Faith. I would include those who claim no religious-based Faith.

Religionists are more closed minded than scientists, one could surmise. Yet, they can't all be right in their views. Diests at least claim to believe in a God of Reason and Nature, which many claim dismisses the Bible's version of Creation.

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Sep 13, 2014 16:39:00   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
slatten49 wrote:
Very good article, Bdamage. There are many types of science, and I think it commendable that scientists in all fields remain open to the evolution of those fields according to new findings or revelations.

There are many religions, also, and I could say, with some certainty, that they are all quite confident/smug as to their authenticity, even though many...in varying degrees, differ from one another. Yet, each claims their's the true Faith. I would include those who claim no religious-based Faith.

Religionists are more closed minded than scientists, one could surmise. Yet, they can't all be right in their views. Diests at least claim to believe in a God of Reason and Nature, which many claim dismisses the Bible's version of Creation.
Very good article, Bdamage. There are many types ... (show quote)

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Sep 13, 2014 17:13:36   #
PeterS
 
larry wrote:
There is a big difference in the philosophy of socialism and Christian Religion, Socialism is share by force, and Christianity is sharing by love.

You don’t consider the threat of eternal damnation in the fiery pit of hell to be force? Oh come now, you can’t be that knave...

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You do not need a god to believe in unselfish and cooperative behavior, you just need to recognize that you are not your own god.

Because people choose self-determination what makes you think they see themselves as their own gods. You don’t need a god to let logic, scientific method, and critical thinking be your guide...

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The recognition that you did not create yourself, is enough, because it will eventually lead you to seek your purpose in life. Once you start that path, you will find you need God to understand yourself. Without God to define good and evil, evil will triumph. There needs to be a recognized moral authority or morality is non existent. Without an unchallengeable moral standard, chaos reigns supreme.


What a load of crap. 1) Who on earth is running around saying they created themselves? 2) How can an imaginary magician (which is all that our gods are) lead someone to understand ones purpose? Creating the illusion of understanding and then having “faith” that you are correct is how we rationalize that hating others because of their ideology is justified or going to war and slaughtering innocents as well as guilty is ok simply because we are afraid. By stepping away from reason and relying on dogma we have no way of knowing right from wrong. “Unchangeable moral standards?” God help us! And one other point to make here: isn’t stoning of adulterers, prostitutes, and homosexuals some of those unchangeable moral standards set forth in the bible? Parts of Islam still adhere to those principles--are they right? If religious dogma is unchangeable then you are guarantying that evil will triumph! Think about it...

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Don't be fooled by the attempt to introduce multiple gods into a religion as the basic tenant of it. Basically paganism is fluid enough to invent a deity to suite a selfish purpose.


All worship of religious deities is done so out of selfish purpose or don’t think inventing a god simply so you can have eternal life doesn’t suit a selfish purpose? You’ve done the exact same thing you are accusing pagans of doing. One of the single greatest flaws of all religions is that they require you to be intellectually dishonest to believe--and the simple fact that you can’t see your own hypocrisy is proof of that...

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Believing that each god must be specialized. It is the desire to selfishly attract that attribute to the worshipper.
So having one specialized god is better than having many? why?

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Sep 13, 2014 17:19:02   #
PeterS
 
bdamage wrote:
Science of Uncertainty br by Dr. Elizabeth Mitchel... (show quote)


"We have observations, we have data, data require organizing into theories. So then we have theories. These theories are suggested or produced from the data somehow, then checked in terms of the data. Then time passes, we have more data, theories evolve, we throw away a theory, and we find another theory that’s better, a better understanding of the data, and so on and so forth."

Yup. The point?

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Sep 13, 2014 17:31:16   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
"We have observations, we have data, data require organizing into theories. So then we have theories. These theories are suggested or produced from the data somehow, then checked in terms of the data. Then time passes, we have more data, theories evolve, we throw away a theory, and we find another theory that’s better, a better understanding of the data, and so on and so forth."

Yup. The point?


Scientists/researchers don't have closed minds. :thumbup:

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Sep 13, 2014 17:32:16   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Sharia law? That is certainly not socialism. I don't know about Sharia law in Denmark, but socialism has existed throughout Western Europe including UK, France, Scandanavia, etc. In some places it works, in some places not so much. The point is it is the democratic kind.
bdamage wrote:
Denmark?
They are at the halfway point to full blown Shariah Law my friend.

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Sep 13, 2014 17:46:53   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
PeterS wrote:
So having one specialized god is better than having many? why?

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