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Sep 1, 2021 15:51:53   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
archie bunker wrote:
That hit me really hard too!! This was a disaster even if we left them only one functional bullet!!
The biden stooges had 7 MONTHS to come up with a better plan if they didn't like what Trump did. 7 MONTHS!! Then, o s**t! We'll be out by next week!!
It was a complete surrender, and the worst humiliation to our military, and our country in her entire history.
Those dogs were every bit a part of our military as the people in the firefights, flying air support, medics, and the rest!!
What TF happened to "leave no man behind"?

Pisses me off.
That hit me really hard too!! This was a disaster ... (show quote)


I'm sick. Just sick! I don't even have to look for negative stuff to post on this. It's WORLDWIDE and coming from all directions. I need a frelling umbrella! All I have to do is watch the storm and listen to the pathetic excuses and futile attempts to minimize this shameful...I don't know what to call it.

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Sep 1, 2021 15:53:51   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
BigMike wrote:
Slatt! I just saw a pic of a couple dozen of our service dogs in cages ABANDONED at the goddam airport! Left to starve. Frell Biden. Frell his stolen "administration" and frell every lying sack of s**t holding water for him.
archie bunker wrote:
That hit me really hard too!! This was a disaster even if we left them only one functional bullet!!
The biden stooges had 7 MONTHS to come up with a better plan if they didn't like what Trump did. 7 MONTHS!! Then, o s**t! We'll be out by next week!!
It was a complete surrender, and the worst humiliation to our military, and our country in her entire history.
Those dogs were every bit a part of our military as the people in the firefights, flying air support, medics, and the rest!!
What TF happened to "leave no man behind"?

Pisses me off.
That hit me really hard too!! This was a disaster ... (show quote)
Copy that, archie. I am beyond being just pissed off, I am enraged.

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Sep 1, 2021 15:58:34   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
slatten49 wrote:
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press

The Taliban have seized both political power and significant U.S.-supplied firepower in their whirlwind takeover of Afghanistan, recovering guns, ammunition, helicopters and other modern military equipment from Afghan forces who surrendered it. But the gear the Taliban have obtained isn’t worth the $80 billion or more being claimed this week by social media users and political figures including Sen. Marsha Blackburn, Rep. Lauren Boebert and former President Donald Trump.

While the U.S. spent $83 billion to develop and sustain Afghan security forces since 2001, most of it did not go toward equipment. Nor will the Taliban be able to use every piece of American gear that was supplied to Afghanistan over two decades.

Here’s a closer look at the facts.

CLAIM: Taliban fighters now possess U.S. military equipment worth between $80 and $85 billion.

THE FACTS: Those numbers are significantly inflated, according to reports from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, which oversees American taxpayer money spent on the conflict.

In the last days of August, as U.S. troops completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan, social media users began claiming that the "Taliban's new arsenal” was worth as much as $85 billion. Trump amplified the falsehood in a statement Monday, writing that “ALL EQUIPMENT should be demanded to be immediately returned to the United States, and that includes every penny of the $85 billion dollars in cost.”

Their $85 billion figure resembles a number from a July 30 quarterly report from SIGAR, which outlined that the U.S. has invested about $83 billion to build, train and equip Afghan security forces since 2001.

Yet that funding included troop pay, training, operations and infrastructure along with equipment and t***sportation over two decades, according to SIGAR reports and Dan Grazier, a defense policy analyst at the Project on Government Oversight.

“We did spend well over $80 billion in assistance to the Afghan security forces,” Grazier said. “But that’s not all equipment costs.”

In fact, only about $18 billion of that sum went toward equipping Afghan forces between 2002 and 2018, a June 2019 SIGAR report showed.

Another estimate from a 2017 Government Accountability Office report found that about 29% of dollars spent on Afghan security forces between 2005 and 2016 funded equipment and t***sportation. The t***sportation funding included gear as well as contracted pilots and airplanes for t***sporting officials to meetings.

If that percentage held for the entire two-decade period, it would mean the U.S. has spent about $24 billion on equipment and t***sportation for Afghan forces since 2001.

But even if that were true, much of the military equipment would be obsolete after years of use, according to Grazier. Plus, American troops have previously scrapped unwanted gear and recently disabled dozens of Humvees and aircraft so they couldn't be used again, according to Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command.

Though no one knows the exact value of the U.S.-supplied Afghan equipment the Taliban have secured, defense officials have confirmed it is significant.
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This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Learn more about fact-checking at AP.
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press br br The Talib... (show quote)
WTF is this, man? You v**ed for that sorry POS and that makes you complicit in this disaster. What are you trying to do? Make excuses, relieve the guilt? There is blood on your hands also, bubba,

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Sep 1, 2021 16:03:17   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
proud republican wrote:
Exactly!!! Does it matter really how much??? The fact is we left military equipment for our enemy to use!!! Niiiice!


It cost the American Taxpayer over $8 Trillion dollars over the span of the War.
$ 8 TRILLION.
Little kids in school went without school lunches. The whole time this was going on the rich were getting tax breaks.
Why did you allow this to go on ?
Point your finger and blame whomever you wish.
The biggest problem is US.

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Sep 1, 2021 16:04:10   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Milosia2 wrote:
It cost the American Taxpayer over $8 Trillion dollars over the span of the War.
$ 8 TRILLION.
Little kids in school went without school lunches. The whole time this was going on the rich were getting tax breaks.
Why did you allow this to go on ?
Point your finger and blame whomever you wish.
The biggest problem is US.


You should read through this thread.

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Sep 1, 2021 16:21:34   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
slatten49 wrote:
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press

The Taliban have seized both political power and significant U.S.-supplied firepower in their whirlwind takeover of Afghanistan, recovering guns, ammunition, helicopters and other modern military equipment from Afghan forces who surrendered it. But the gear the Taliban have obtained isn’t worth the $80 billion or more being claimed this week by social media users and political figures including Sen. Marsha Blackburn, Rep. Lauren Boebert and former President Donald Trump.

While the U.S. spent $83 billion to develop and sustain Afghan security forces since 2001, most of it did not go toward equipment. Nor will the Taliban be able to use every piece of American gear that was supplied to Afghanistan over two decades.

Here’s a closer look at the facts.

CLAIM: Taliban fighters now possess U.S. military equipment worth between $80 and $85 billion.

THE FACTS: Those numbers are significantly inflated, according to reports from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, which oversees American taxpayer money spent on the conflict.

In the last days of August, as U.S. troops completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan, social media users began claiming that the "Taliban's new arsenal” was worth as much as $85 billion. Trump amplified the falsehood in a statement Monday, writing that “ALL EQUIPMENT should be demanded to be immediately returned to the United States, and that includes every penny of the $85 billion dollars in cost.”

Their $85 billion figure resembles a number from a July 30 quarterly report from SIGAR, which outlined that the U.S. has invested about $83 billion to build, train and equip Afghan security forces since 2001.

Yet that funding included troop pay, training, operations and infrastructure along with equipment and t***sportation over two decades, according to SIGAR reports and Dan Grazier, a defense policy analyst at the Project on Government Oversight.

“We did spend well over $80 billion in assistance to the Afghan security forces,” Grazier said. “But that’s not all equipment costs.”

In fact, only about $18 billion of that sum went toward equipping Afghan forces between 2002 and 2018, a June 2019 SIGAR report showed.

Another estimate from a 2017 Government Accountability Office report found that about 29% of dollars spent on Afghan security forces between 2005 and 2016 funded equipment and t***sportation. The t***sportation funding included gear as well as contracted pilots and airplanes for t***sporting officials to meetings.

If that percentage held for the entire two-decade period, it would mean the U.S. has spent about $24 billion on equipment and t***sportation for Afghan forces since 2001.

But even if that were true, much of the military equipment would be obsolete after years of use, according to Grazier. Plus, American troops have previously scrapped unwanted gear and recently disabled dozens of Humvees and aircraft so they couldn't be used again, according to Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command.

Though no one knows the exact value of the U.S.-supplied Afghan equipment the Taliban have secured, defense officials have confirmed it is significant.
___

This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Learn more about fact-checking at AP.
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press br br The Talib... (show quote)


You watch, it will be 100 billion in a few days. I didn't hear a lot of belly aching when the Iraqi army gifted ISIS with a bunch of US weaponry, when they ran away like the afghan army, so I wonder why it bothers folks so much now?

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Sep 1, 2021 16:33:22   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
lpnmajor wrote:
You watch, it will be 100 billion in a few days. I didn't hear a lot of belly aching when the Iraqi army gifted ISIS with a bunch of US weaponry, when they ran away like the afghan army, so I wonder why it bothers folks so much now?
Where did the Iraqi army get its hands on "a bunch of US weaponry"?

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Sep 1, 2021 17:15:29   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
You watch, it will be 100 billion in a few days. I didn't hear a lot of belly aching when the Iraqi army gifted ISIS with a bunch of US weaponry, when they ran away like the afghan army, so I wonder why it bothers folks so much now?


It doesn't matter if it's 100 billion, or 25 bucks!! The disaster YOU v**ed into office is responsible for this s**tshow! Period!!
7 MONTHS! HE HAD 7 MONTHS TO PLAN!!!
You can bring up past administrations all you want, but the fact is that your guy fubared this one!! Just like he has for 47 years in government!
Mr. Brownfinger!!

I can't believe you're that ignorant! No, I can, and it's a shame.

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Sep 1, 2021 19:13:46   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
archie bunker wrote:
It doesn't matter if it's 100 billion, or 25 bucks!! The disaster YOU v**ed into office is responsible for this s**tshow! Period!!
7 MONTHS! HE HAD 7 MONTHS TO PLAN!!!
You can bring up past administrations all you want, but the fact is that your guy fubared this one!! Just like he has for 47 years in government!
Mr. Brownfinger!!

I can't believe you're that ignorant! No, I can, and it's a shame.


YES IT IS ARCHIE
https://youtu.be/2uYDlN0I6Qg

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Sep 1, 2021 19:32:49   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
BigMike wrote:
Slatt! I just saw a pic of a couple dozen of our service dogs in cages ABANDONED at the goddam airport! Left to starve. Frell Biden. Frell his stolen "administration" and frell every lying sack of s**t holding water for him.


F**e

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Sep 1, 2021 19:34:03   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
slatten49 wrote:
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press

The Taliban have seized both political power and significant U.S.-supplied firepower in their whirlwind takeover of Afghanistan, recovering guns, ammunition, helicopters and other modern military equipment from Afghan forces who surrendered it. But the gear the Taliban have obtained isn’t worth the $80 billion or more being claimed this week by social media users and political figures including Sen. Marsha Blackburn, Rep. Lauren Boebert and former President Donald Trump.

While the U.S. spent $83 billion to develop and sustain Afghan security forces since 2001, most of it did not go toward equipment. Nor will the Taliban be able to use every piece of American gear that was supplied to Afghanistan over two decades.

Here’s a closer look at the facts.

CLAIM: Taliban fighters now possess U.S. military equipment worth between $80 and $85 billion.

THE FACTS: Those numbers are significantly inflated, according to reports from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, which oversees American taxpayer money spent on the conflict.

In the last days of August, as U.S. troops completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan, social media users began claiming that the "Taliban's new arsenal” was worth as much as $85 billion. Trump amplified the falsehood in a statement Monday, writing that “ALL EQUIPMENT should be demanded to be immediately returned to the United States, and that includes every penny of the $85 billion dollars in cost.”

Their $85 billion figure resembles a number from a July 30 quarterly report from SIGAR, which outlined that the U.S. has invested about $83 billion to build, train and equip Afghan security forces since 2001.

Yet that funding included troop pay, training, operations and infrastructure along with equipment and t***sportation over two decades, according to SIGAR reports and Dan Grazier, a defense policy analyst at the Project on Government Oversight.

“We did spend well over $80 billion in assistance to the Afghan security forces,” Grazier said. “But that’s not all equipment costs.”

In fact, only about $18 billion of that sum went toward equipping Afghan forces between 2002 and 2018, a June 2019 SIGAR report showed.

Another estimate from a 2017 Government Accountability Office report found that about 29% of dollars spent on Afghan security forces between 2005 and 2016 funded equipment and t***sportation. The t***sportation funding included gear as well as contracted pilots and airplanes for t***sporting officials to meetings.

If that percentage held for the entire two-decade period, it would mean the U.S. has spent about $24 billion on equipment and t***sportation for Afghan forces since 2001.

But even if that were true, much of the military equipment would be obsolete after years of use, according to Grazier. Plus, American troops have previously scrapped unwanted gear and recently disabled dozens of Humvees and aircraft so they couldn't be used again, according to Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command.

Though no one knows the exact value of the U.S.-supplied Afghan equipment the Taliban have secured, defense officials have confirmed it is significant.
___

This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Learn more about fact-checking at AP.
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press br br The Talib... (show quote)


If America didn't arm its enemies, how would it justify its invasions???

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Sep 1, 2021 19:39:22   #
Rose42
 
BigMike wrote:
Slatt! I just saw a pic of a couple dozen of our service dogs in cages ABANDONED at the goddam airport! Left to starve. Frell Biden. Frell his stolen "administration" and frell every lying sack of s**t holding water for him.


That story isn’t true. Those were dogs belonging to Kabul small animal rescue.

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Sep 1, 2021 19:41:13   #
Rose42
 
lpnmajor wrote:
You watch, it will be 100 billion in a few days. I didn't hear a lot of belly aching when the Iraqi army gifted ISIS with a bunch of US weaponry, when they ran away like the afghan army, so I wonder why it bothers folks so much now?


Who cares? Biden is a screwup. Lately there have been a lot of articles trying to deflect from the man’s inability to lead

We got out in spite of Biden not because of him.

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Sep 1, 2021 19:50:18   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
archie bunker wrote:
That hit me really hard too!! This was a disaster even if we left them only one functional bullet!!
The biden stooges had 7 MONTHS to come up with a better plan if they didn't like what Trump did. 7 MONTHS!! Then, o s**t! We'll be out by next week!!
It was a complete surrender, and the worst humiliation to our military, and our country in her entire history.
Those dogs were every bit a part of our military as the people in the firefights, flying air support, medics, and the rest!!
What TF happened to "leave no man behind"?

Pisses me off.
That hit me really hard too!! This was a disaster ... (show quote)

All links pertaining to the dogs & cats at Kabul Airport...

https://www.bing.com/search?q=didusmilitaryleavedogsbehindatkabulairport&cvid=cce6cf5f51dd4c1f89ea0a4dc7b2876a&aqs=edge..69i57.12479j0j4&FORM=ANAB01&PC=HCTS

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Sep 1, 2021 19:54:52   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Rose42 wrote:
That story isn’t true. Those were dogs belonging to Kabul small animal rescue.


Ruth, "..being loud doesn’t increase the value or validity of their opinion(s). In fact, often by the very nature of being the loudest, those opinions are typically the furthest from reality". Mark Homer, from 'UnCommon Sense'.

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