By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press
The Taliban have seized both political power and significant U.S.-supplied firepower in their whirlwind takeover of Afghanistan, recovering guns, ammunition, helicopters and other modern military equipment from Afghan forces who surrendered it. But the gear the Taliban have obtained isn’t worth the $80 billion or more being claimed this week by social media users and political figures including Sen. Marsha Blackburn, Rep. Lauren Boebert and former President Donald Trump.
While the U.S. spent $83 billion to develop and sustain Afghan security forces since 2001, most of it did not go toward equipment. Nor will the Taliban be able to use every piece of American gear that was supplied to Afghanistan over two decades.
Here’s a closer look at the facts.
CLAIM: Taliban fighters now possess U.S. military equipment worth between $80 and $85 billion.
THE FACTS: Those numbers are significantly inflated, according to reports from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, which oversees American taxpayer money spent on the conflict.
In the last days of August, as U.S. troops completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan, social media users began claiming that the "Taliban's new arsenal” was worth as much as $85 billion. Trump amplified the falsehood in a statement Monday, writing that “ALL EQUIPMENT should be demanded to be immediately returned to the United States, and that includes every penny of the $85 billion dollars in cost.”
Their $85 billion figure resembles a number from a July 30 quarterly report from SIGAR, which outlined that the U.S. has invested about $83 billion to build, train and equip Afghan security forces since 2001.
Yet that funding included troop pay, training, operations and infrastructure along with equipment and t***sportation over two decades, according to SIGAR reports and Dan Grazier, a defense policy analyst at the Project on Government Oversight.
“We did spend well over $80 billion in assistance to the Afghan security forces,” Grazier said. “But that’s not all equipment costs.”
In fact, only about $18 billion of that sum went toward equipping Afghan forces between 2002 and 2018, a June 2019 SIGAR report showed.
Another estimate from a 2017 Government Accountability Office report found that about 29% of dollars spent on Afghan security forces between 2005 and 2016 funded equipment and t***sportation. The t***sportation funding included gear as well as contracted pilots and airplanes for t***sporting officials to meetings.
If that percentage held for the entire two-decade period, it would mean the U.S. has spent about $24 billion on equipment and t***sportation for Afghan forces since 2001.
But even if that were true, much of the military equipment would be obsolete after years of use, according to Grazier. Plus, American troops have previously scrapped unwanted gear and recently disabled dozens of Humvees and aircraft so they couldn't be used again, according to Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command.
Though no one knows the exact value of the U.S.-supplied Afghan equipment the Taliban have secured, defense officials have confirmed it is significant.
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This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Learn more about fact-checking at AP.
slatten49 wrote:
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press
The Taliban have seized both political power and significant U.S.-supplied firepower in their whirlwind takeover of Afghanistan, recovering guns, ammunition, helicopters and other modern military equipment from Afghan forces who surrendered it. But the gear the Taliban have obtained isn’t worth the $80 billion or more being claimed this week by social media users and political figures including Sen. Marsha Blackburn, Rep. Lauren Boebert and former President Donald Trump.
While the U.S. spent $83 billion to develop and sustain Afghan security forces since 2001, most of it did not go toward equipment. Nor will the Taliban be able to use every piece of American gear that was supplied to Afghanistan over two decades.
Here’s a closer look at the facts.
CLAIM: Taliban fighters now possess U.S. military equipment worth between $80 and $85 billion.
THE FACTS: Those numbers are significantly inflated, according to reports from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, which oversees American taxpayer money spent on the conflict.
In the last days of August, as U.S. troops completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan, social media users began claiming that the "Taliban's new arsenal” was worth as much as $85 billion. Trump amplified the falsehood in a statement Monday, writing that “ALL EQUIPMENT should be demanded to be immediately returned to the United States, and that includes every penny of the $85 billion dollars in cost.”
Their $85 billion figure resembles a number from a July 30 quarterly report from SIGAR, which outlined that the U.S. has invested about $83 billion to build, train and equip Afghan security forces since 2001.
Yet that funding included troop pay, training, operations and infrastructure along with equipment and t***sportation over two decades, according to SIGAR reports and Dan Grazier, a defense policy analyst at the Project on Government Oversight.
“We did spend well over $80 billion in assistance to the Afghan security forces,” Grazier said. “But that’s not all equipment costs.”
In fact, only about $18 billion of that sum went toward equipping Afghan forces between 2002 and 2018, a June 2019 SIGAR report showed.
Another estimate from a 2017 Government Accountability Office report found that about 29% of dollars spent on Afghan security forces between 2005 and 2016 funded equipment and t***sportation. The t***sportation funding included gear as well as contracted pilots and airplanes for t***sporting officials to meetings.
If that percentage held for the entire two-decade period, it would mean the U.S. has spent about $24 billion on equipment and t***sportation for Afghan forces since 2001.
But even if that were true, much of the military equipment would be obsolete after years of use, according to Grazier. Plus, American troops have previously scrapped unwanted gear and recently disabled dozens of Humvees and aircraft so they couldn't be used again, according to Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command.
Though no one knows the exact value of the U.S.-supplied Afghan equipment the Taliban have secured, defense officials have confirmed it is significant.
___
This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Learn more about fact-checking at AP.
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That's great, we only left them 18 billion dollars worth of armaments. What a f....ing relief!
slatten49 wrote:
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press
The Taliban have seized both political power and significant U.S.-supplied firepower in their whirlwind takeover of Afghanistan, recovering guns, ammunition, helicopters and other modern military equipment from Afghan forces who surrendered it. But the gear the Taliban have obtained isn’t worth the $80 billion or more being claimed this week by social media users and political figures including Sen. Marsha Blackburn, Rep. Lauren Boebert and former President Donald Trump.
While the U.S. spent $83 billion to develop and sustain Afghan security forces since 2001, most of it did not go toward equipment. Nor will the Taliban be able to use every piece of American gear that was supplied to Afghanistan over two decades.
Here’s a closer look at the facts.
CLAIM: Taliban fighters now possess U.S. military equipment worth between $80 and $85 billion.
THE FACTS: Those numbers are significantly inflated, according to reports from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, which oversees American taxpayer money spent on the conflict.
In the last days of August, as U.S. troops completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan, social media users began claiming that the "Taliban's new arsenal” was worth as much as $85 billion. Trump amplified the falsehood in a statement Monday, writing that “ALL EQUIPMENT should be demanded to be immediately returned to the United States, and that includes every penny of the $85 billion dollars in cost.”
Their $85 billion figure resembles a number from a July 30 quarterly report from SIGAR, which outlined that the U.S. has invested about $83 billion to build, train and equip Afghan security forces since 2001.
Yet that funding included troop pay, training, operations and infrastructure along with equipment and t***sportation over two decades, according to SIGAR reports and Dan Grazier, a defense policy analyst at the Project on Government Oversight.
“We did spend well over $80 billion in assistance to the Afghan security forces,” Grazier said. “But that’s not all equipment costs.”
In fact, only about $18 billion of that sum went toward equipping Afghan forces between 2002 and 2018, a June 2019 SIGAR report showed.
Another estimate from a 2017 Government Accountability Office report found that about 29% of dollars spent on Afghan security forces between 2005 and 2016 funded equipment and t***sportation. The t***sportation funding included gear as well as contracted pilots and airplanes for t***sporting officials to meetings.
If that percentage held for the entire two-decade period, it would mean the U.S. has spent about $24 billion on equipment and t***sportation for Afghan forces since 2001.
But even if that were true, much of the military equipment would be obsolete after years of use, according to Grazier. Plus, American troops have previously scrapped unwanted gear and recently disabled dozens of Humvees and aircraft so they couldn't be used again, according to Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command.
Though no one knows the exact value of the U.S.-supplied Afghan equipment the Taliban have secured, defense officials have confirmed it is significant.
___
This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Learn more about fact-checking at AP.
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Here’s another point, it wasn’t paid to Afghanistan, it was paid to us by ….us.
With the help of the Congress who holds the purse strings. All I can say is the money that needed to be counted, was already counted. What was left behind was sabotaged, supposedly, but there may be an “after market” for parts. Wink wink.
Can you say Medicare for all ???
microphor wrote:
That's great, we only left them 18 billion dollars worth of armaments. What a f....ing relief!
Exactly!!! Does it matter really how much??? The fact is we left military equipment for our enemy to use!!! Niiiice!
slatten49 wrote:
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press
The Taliban have seized both political power and significant U.S.-supplied firepower in their whirlwind takeover of Afghanistan, recovering guns, ammunition, helicopters and other modern military equipment from Afghan forces who surrendered it. But the gear the Taliban have obtained isn’t worth the $80 billion or more being claimed this week by social media users and political figures including Sen. Marsha Blackburn, Rep. Lauren Boebert and former President Donald Trump.
While the U.S. spent $83 billion to develop and sustain Afghan security forces since 2001, most of it did not go toward equipment. Nor will the Taliban be able to use every piece of American gear that was supplied to Afghanistan over two decades.
Here’s a closer look at the facts.
CLAIM: Taliban fighters now possess U.S. military equipment worth between $80 and $85 billion.
THE FACTS: Those numbers are significantly inflated, according to reports from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, which oversees American taxpayer money spent on the conflict.
In the last days of August, as U.S. troops completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan, social media users began claiming that the "Taliban's new arsenal” was worth as much as $85 billion. Trump amplified the falsehood in a statement Monday, writing that “ALL EQUIPMENT should be demanded to be immediately returned to the United States, and that includes every penny of the $85 billion dollars in cost.”
Their $85 billion figure resembles a number from a July 30 quarterly report from SIGAR, which outlined that the U.S. has invested about $83 billion to build, train and equip Afghan security forces since 2001.
Yet that funding included troop pay, training, operations and infrastructure along with equipment and t***sportation over two decades, according to SIGAR reports and Dan Grazier, a defense policy analyst at the Project on Government Oversight.
“We did spend well over $80 billion in assistance to the Afghan security forces,” Grazier said. “But that’s not all equipment costs.”
In fact, only about $18 billion of that sum went toward equipping Afghan forces between 2002 and 2018, a June 2019 SIGAR report showed.
Another estimate from a 2017 Government Accountability Office report found that about 29% of dollars spent on Afghan security forces between 2005 and 2016 funded equipment and t***sportation. The t***sportation funding included gear as well as contracted pilots and airplanes for t***sporting officials to meetings.
If that percentage held for the entire two-decade period, it would mean the U.S. has spent about $24 billion on equipment and t***sportation for Afghan forces since 2001.
But even if that were true, much of the military equipment would be obsolete after years of use, according to Grazier. Plus, American troops have previously scrapped unwanted gear and recently disabled dozens of Humvees and aircraft so they couldn't be used again, according to Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command.
Though no one knows the exact value of the U.S.-supplied Afghan equipment the Taliban have secured, defense officials have confirmed it is significant.
___
This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Learn more about fact-checking at AP.
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Figures never lie,but liars sure do figure..
The whole nation building thing has always been a negative for us Rand Paul types. I dislike Bush as much as Obama.
Supplying dev**ed Muslims with weapons is a worse idea than when Patton wanted to rearm the Germans, to fight the Bolsheviks.
slatten49 wrote:
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press
The Taliban have seized both political power and significant U.S.-supplied firepower in their whirlwind takeover of Afghanistan, recovering guns, ammunition, helicopters and other modern military equipment from Afghan forces who surrendered it. But the gear the Taliban have obtained isn’t worth the $80 billion or more being claimed this week by social media users and political figures including Sen. Marsha Blackburn, Rep. Lauren Boebert and former President Donald Trump.
While the U.S. spent $83 billion to develop and sustain Afghan security forces since 2001, most of it did not go toward equipment. Nor will the Taliban be able to use every piece of American gear that was supplied to Afghanistan over two decades.
Here’s a closer look at the facts.
CLAIM: Taliban fighters now possess U.S. military equipment worth between $80 and $85 billion.
THE FACTS: Those numbers are significantly inflated, according to reports from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, which oversees American taxpayer money spent on the conflict.
In the last days of August, as U.S. troops completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan, social media users began claiming that the "Taliban's new arsenal” was worth as much as $85 billion. Trump amplified the falsehood in a statement Monday, writing that “ALL EQUIPMENT should be demanded to be immediately returned to the United States, and that includes every penny of the $85 billion dollars in cost.”
Their $85 billion figure resembles a number from a July 30 quarterly report from SIGAR, which outlined that the U.S. has invested about $83 billion to build, train and equip Afghan security forces since 2001.
Yet that funding included troop pay, training, operations and infrastructure along with equipment and t***sportation over two decades, according to SIGAR reports and Dan Grazier, a defense policy analyst at the Project on Government Oversight.
“We did spend well over $80 billion in assistance to the Afghan security forces,” Grazier said. “But that’s not all equipment costs.”
In fact, only about $18 billion of that sum went toward equipping Afghan forces between 2002 and 2018, a June 2019 SIGAR report showed.
Another estimate from a 2017 Government Accountability Office report found that about 29% of dollars spent on Afghan security forces between 2005 and 2016 funded equipment and t***sportation. The t***sportation funding included gear as well as contracted pilots and airplanes for t***sporting officials to meetings.
If that percentage held for the entire two-decade period, it would mean the U.S. has spent about $24 billion on equipment and t***sportation for Afghan forces since 2001.
But even if that were true, much of the military equipment would be obsolete after years of use, according to Grazier. Plus, American troops have previously scrapped unwanted gear and recently disabled dozens of Humvees and aircraft so they couldn't be used again, according to Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command.
Though no one knows the exact value of the U.S.-supplied Afghan equipment the Taliban have secured, defense officials have confirmed it is significant.
___
This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Learn more about fact-checking at AP.
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Slatt! I just saw a pic of a couple dozen of our service dogs in cages ABANDONED at the goddam airport! Left to starve. Frell Biden. Frell his stolen "administration" and frell every lying sack of s**t holding water for him.
proud republican wrote:
Exactly!!! Does it matter really how much??? The fact is we left military equipment for our enemy to use!!! Niiiice!
Wonder who they'll use it against. Maybe all those women and girls who had the audacity to get educated, marry outside their culture or reject Islam? Maybe the Americans "who aren't stranded or abandoned", maybe our allies? Um sure it won't go to waste! I'm so angry about how this was handled, I'm just short of praying all the admin involve just drop dead. So far just a thought and not a prayer. My son deployed 4 times as a Marine over there, I hurt for him and those who sacrificed.
microphor wrote:
That's great, we only left them 18 billion dollars worth of armaments. What a f....ing relief!
Slatt's lost it. He's pretending the sinking of the Titanic was the greatest life raft operation ever.
microphor wrote:
Wonder who they'll use it against. Maybe all those women and girls who had the audacity to get educated, marry outside their culture or reject Islam? Maybe the Americans "who aren't stranded or abandoned", maybe our allies? Um sure it won't go to waste! I'm so angry about how this was handled, I'm just short of praying all the admin involve just drop dead. So far just a thought and not a prayer. My son deployed 4 times as a Marine over there, I hurt for him and those who sacrificed.
I've noticed this,
"It's not that bad", tint to some of these articles lately and to me they stink of people who are trying to find reasons to not admit they made a s**tty choice
BigMike wrote:
Slatt! I just saw a pic of a couple dozen of our service dogs in cages ABANDONED at the goddam airport! Left to starve. Frell Biden. Frell his stolen "administration" and frell every lying sack of s**t holding water for him.
That hit me really hard too!! This was a disaster even if we left them only one functional bullet!!
The biden stooges had 7 MONTHS to come up with a better plan if they didn't like what Trump did. 7 MONTHS!! Then, o s**t! We'll be out by next week!!
It was a complete surrender, and the worst humiliation to our military, and our country in her entire history.
Those dogs were every bit a part of our military as the people in the firefights, flying air support, medics, and the rest!!
What TF happened to "leave no man behind"?
Pisses me off.
slatten49 wrote:
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press
The Taliban have seized both political power and significant U.S.-supplied firepower in their whirlwind takeover of Afghanistan, recovering guns, ammunition, helicopters and other modern military equipment from Afghan forces who surrendered it. But the gear the Taliban have obtained isn’t worth the $80 billion or more being claimed this week by social media users and political figures including Sen. Marsha Blackburn, Rep. Lauren Boebert and former President Donald Trump.
While the U.S. spent $83 billion to develop and sustain Afghan security forces since 2001, most of it did not go toward equipment. Nor will the Taliban be able to use every piece of American gear that was supplied to Afghanistan over two decades.
Here’s a closer look at the facts.
CLAIM: Taliban fighters now possess U.S. military equipment worth between $80 and $85 billion.
THE FACTS: Those numbers are significantly inflated, according to reports from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, which oversees American taxpayer money spent on the conflict.
In the last days of August, as U.S. troops completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan, social media users began claiming that the "Taliban's new arsenal” was worth as much as $85 billion. Trump amplified the falsehood in a statement Monday, writing that “ALL EQUIPMENT should be demanded to be immediately returned to the United States, and that includes every penny of the $85 billion dollars in cost.”
Their $85 billion figure resembles a number from a July 30 quarterly report from SIGAR, which outlined that the U.S. has invested about $83 billion to build, train and equip Afghan security forces since 2001.
Yet that funding included troop pay, training, operations and infrastructure along with equipment and t***sportation over two decades, according to SIGAR reports and Dan Grazier, a defense policy analyst at the Project on Government Oversight.
“We did spend well over $80 billion in assistance to the Afghan security forces,” Grazier said. “But that’s not all equipment costs.”
In fact, only about $18 billion of that sum went toward equipping Afghan forces between 2002 and 2018, a June 2019 SIGAR report showed.
Another estimate from a 2017 Government Accountability Office report found that about 29% of dollars spent on Afghan security forces between 2005 and 2016 funded equipment and t***sportation. The t***sportation funding included gear as well as contracted pilots and airplanes for t***sporting officials to meetings.
If that percentage held for the entire two-decade period, it would mean the U.S. has spent about $24 billion on equipment and t***sportation for Afghan forces since 2001.
But even if that were true, much of the military equipment would be obsolete after years of use, according to Grazier. Plus, American troops have previously scrapped unwanted gear and recently disabled dozens of Humvees and aircraft so they couldn't be used again, according to Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command.
Though no one knows the exact value of the U.S.-supplied Afghan equipment the Taliban have secured, defense officials have confirmed it is significant.
___
This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Learn more about fact-checking at AP.
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Typical wacko Lefty post.
Weasel
Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
slatten49 wrote:
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press
The Taliban have seized both political power and significant U.S.-supplied firepower in their whirlwind takeover of Afghanistan, recovering guns, ammunition, helicopters and other modern military equipment from Afghan forces who surrendered it. But the gear the Taliban have obtained isn’t worth the $80 billion or more being claimed this week by social media users and political figures including Sen. Marsha Blackburn, Rep. Lauren Boebert and former President Donald Trump.
While the U.S. spent $83 billion to develop and sustain Afghan security forces since 2001, most of it did not go toward equipment. Nor will the Taliban be able to use every piece of American gear that was supplied to Afghanistan over two decades.
Here’s a closer look at the facts.
CLAIM: Taliban fighters now possess U.S. military equipment worth between $80 and $85 billion.
THE FACTS: Those numbers are significantly inflated, according to reports from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, which oversees American taxpayer money spent on the conflict.
In the last days of August, as U.S. troops completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan, social media users began claiming that the "Taliban's new arsenal” was worth as much as $85 billion. Trump amplified the falsehood in a statement Monday, writing that “ALL EQUIPMENT should be demanded to be immediately returned to the United States, and that includes every penny of the $85 billion dollars in cost.”
Their $85 billion figure resembles a number from a July 30 quarterly report from SIGAR, which outlined that the U.S. has invested about $83 billion to build, train and equip Afghan security forces since 2001.
Yet that funding included troop pay, training, operations and infrastructure along with equipment and t***sportation over two decades, according to SIGAR reports and Dan Grazier, a defense policy analyst at the Project on Government Oversight.
“We did spend well over $80 billion in assistance to the Afghan security forces,” Grazier said. “But that’s not all equipment costs.”
In fact, only about $18 billion of that sum went toward equipping Afghan forces between 2002 and 2018, a June 2019 SIGAR report showed.
Another estimate from a 2017 Government Accountability Office report found that about 29% of dollars spent on Afghan security forces between 2005 and 2016 funded equipment and t***sportation. The t***sportation funding included gear as well as contracted pilots and airplanes for t***sporting officials to meetings.
If that percentage held for the entire two-decade period, it would mean the U.S. has spent about $24 billion on equipment and t***sportation for Afghan forces since 2001.
But even if that were true, much of the military equipment would be obsolete after years of use, according to Grazier. Plus, American troops have previously scrapped unwanted gear and recently disabled dozens of Humvees and aircraft so they couldn't be used again, according to Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command.
Though no one knows the exact value of the U.S.-supplied Afghan equipment the Taliban have secured, defense officials have confirmed it is significant.
___
This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Learn more about fact-checking at AP.
By ALI SWENSON, Associated Press br br The Talib... (
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All of these questions have been asked of Joe Biden himself many times by the press,
as it is Taxpayers Money.
The simple t***h is that our I***t & Chief does not want us to know these things!
Other questions also are none of our business because Biden says so. For example, the Taliban sent an Envoy to Moscow on July 8th, and the plans were discussed on the takeover of Afganistan.
Then on July 15th Russia put 20,000
troops on the Afghan Border to monitor the troop movements of The United States.
And then the deal that Biden made to turn over Bagram Airport to the Taliban, as we took orders from Biden to sneak out in the middle of the night.
The bottom line is that we the people will always be kept in the dark by Joe Biden, our
I***t and Chief.
We lost this war and Joe Biden ran away with his tail between his legs! ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT!
microphor wrote:
Wonder who they'll use it against. Maybe all those women and girls who had the audacity to get educated, marry outside their culture or reject Islam? Maybe the Americans "who aren't stranded or abandoned", maybe our allies? Um sure it won't go to waste! I'm so angry about how this was handled, I'm just short of praying all the admin involve just drop dead. So far just a thought and not a prayer. My son deployed 4 times as a Marine over there, I hurt for him and those who sacrificed.
Right there with you! My son was Army in Desert Storm. Several of his buddies still get together ever couple of years! They are fit to be tied………along with my husband and his Vietnam friends!
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