Capitol prisoners: https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/capitol-r****rs-defiant-guilty-pleas/index.html This is a piece from CNN about the hearings and sentencing of J****** 6th...

debeda

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/capitol-r****rs-defiant-guilty-pleas/index.html

This is a piece from CNN about the hearings and sentencing of J****** 6th protesters. Please note, most are being charged with thing like "parading" and "picketing". But it goes on to say that they're not showing enough "remorse", and some "even think they are political prisoners".
I, personally, think they ARE political prisoners. Others have "invaded" public spaces, and not received the treatment these people have, nor been swept up in a national d**gnet. I am beyond disgusted with Republicans in DC that did not advocate for these people. Anyone else have an opinion (that is based on reading the article and not swearing at me)?

woodguru

debeda wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/capitol-r*... (show quote)

Where is the line you draw on where some of these "political prisoners are guilty of violence against police officers, destroying property, planning for worse acts of violence?

The fact of the matter is that charges are starting with the lightest ones because very lenient plea deals are being struck, anyone being held or charged at this point is guilty as charged because of the video and social media evidence...the plea deals are super light compared to the sentences on the charges that could be brought.

Surely you are not going to try to say that all of these are patriots exercising rights so they deserve not to be charged?

woodguru

debeda wrote:

Please note, most are being charged with thing like "parading" and "picketing". But it goes on to say that they're not showing enough "remorse", and some "even think they are political prisoners".

I personally think that they should be come down on like a ton of bricks...a message needs to be sent that this is not acceptable behavior to try to stop the constitutional process of e******ns after losing dozens of ridiculous court challenges.

MajG

debeda wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/capitol-r*... (show quote)

Typical CNN hit piece. The usual buzz words- I**********n, self serving, infamous rally, savage display, whitewashed deadly attack. Using their style a family going to church could be made into plotting revolutionaries planning mass murder. J** 6th prisoners clearly of the political variety. R****rs and arsonists get better treatment if punished at all. Murderers make bail and are allowed attorneys. Not in today's American gulag tho.

MajG

woodguru wrote:

Where is the line you draw on where some of these ... (show quote)

Curious. Where is the line you draw for B*M r**ts? Attacking police with missiles and chemicals and lasers? Burning down police stations? Breaking into stores and l**ting them? Destroying small business? I suppose protesting a f********t e******n to usurp power is worse, right?

debeda

woodguru wrote:

Where is the line you draw on where some of these ... (show quote)

Well, I can't say because the government is refusing to release the full video coverage. But some of these people are indeed political prisoners.

debeda

woodguru wrote:

I personally think that they should be come down on like a ton of bricks...a message needs to be sent that this is not acceptable behavior to try to stop the constitutional process of e******ns after losing dozens of ridiculous court challenges.

I would agree with that if ALL r****rs were treated the same.

debeda

MajG wrote:

Typical CNN hit piece. The usual buzz words- I**********n, self serving, infamous rally, savage display, whitewashed deadly attack. Using their style a family going to church could be made into plotting revolutionaries planning mass murder. J** 6th prisoners clearly of the political variety. R****rs and arsonists get better treatment if punished at all. Murderers make bail and are allowed attorneys. Not in today's American gulag tho.

Yes, the dems are accomplished at the spin doctoring and rhetoric. Just the notion of calling this an I**********n. Guess they didnt watch the footage from Afghanistan to see what that looks like🤔🙄

debeda

MajG wrote:

Curious. Where is the line you draw for B*M r**ts? Attacking police with missiles and chemicals and lasers? Burning down police stations? Breaking into stores and l**ting them? Destroying small business? I suppose protesting a f********t e******n to usurp power is worse, right?

Yes, and shooting people and beating them to death. My theory about that is that the politicians don't CARE about what affects the rest of us, only what affects them.

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

debeda wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/capitol-r*... (show quote)

The protesters on J** 6th had no reason to believe that they would be treated any different than those 2020 protesters who were parading and picketing and much worse, and whom democrat operatives encouraged, supported and even provided financial support too, before and after they destroyed billions of dollars of property, k**led at least 25 individuals and injured thousands physically and financially.

In addition the protesters had the example of the liberal protesters who ran freely though the capital building during the Kavanaugh and Barret hearings where senators were cornered and verbally accosted by these protesters.

The fact that these protesters appear to be conservatives is the only difference. So, yes, political prisoners.

1ProudAmerican

Strycker wrote:

The protesters on J** 6th had no reason to believe... (show quote)

woodguru

MajG wrote:

Curious. Where is the line you draw for B*M r**ts? Attacking police with missiles and chemicals and lasers? Burning down police stations? Breaking into stores and l**ting them? Destroying small business? I suppose protesting a f********t e******n to usurp power is worse, right?

I fully supported r****rs being arrested...not people being arrested that were not doing anything...there is a huge difference. B*M and A****a protests resulted in people peing picked up and arrested that were walking along the street, police were not reacting to directly violent people in many cases.

Video footage was used to charge those who were caught destroying things.

In the 6th r**t very few that were simply there to protest, that never stormed the capital were picked up, that was not considered to be a crime to peacefully protest.

Going through broken doors or windows and entering the capital was a crime...Period. Breaking in and attempting to interfere with the actions of certifying the e******n was a crime. It was a crime that ultimately cost us hundreds of millions of dollars.

woodguru

Strycker wrote:

In addition the protesters had the example of the liberal protesters who ran freely though the capital building during the Kavanaugh and Barret hearings where senators were cornered and verbally accosted by these protesters.

Do you really want to equate verbally accosting them to the violence exhibited with erecting a hangman's noose and calling to hang Pence and others?

People would have died had they not gotten to safety.

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

woodguru wrote:

Do you really want to equate verbally accosting them to the violence exhibited with erecting a hangman's noose and calling to hang Pence and others?

People would have died had they not gotten to safety.

You claim people would have died. You don't know. I personally seriously doubt it regardless of the over the top rhetoric by some protesters and drama queen congresswomen. It was protesters that helped the officer that was separated from the group to get back to the tunnel. Most of the protesters would have stopped the few if it even gotten that far.

Isn't erecting a hangman's noose and calling to hang Pence just verbal protesting. No worse than calls to "Pigs in a Blanket: Fry 'em Like Bacon".

1ProudAmerican

woodguru wrote:

Do you really want to equate verbally accosting them to the violence exhibited with erecting a hangman's noose and calling to hang Pence and others?

People would have died had they not gotten to safety.

But MY brain cells are regenerating whereas YOURS are dying by the minute due to lack of O2