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Aug 10, 2021 16:14:20   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
tbutkovich wrote:
Your walking a fine line. S******c r****m cannot be considered a universal practice.

Looks like you still aren’t convinced that r****m has only to do with hearts of every individual. I am disappointed with you Whitney because you can’t get past your “counterfeit belief system.”

There is nothing wrong with teaching about the harm of prejudice and its affect on all minorities, but defining s******c r****m as a universal practice in the United States is false has no place in a history class.
Your walking a fine line. S******c r****m cannot ... (show quote)


You are trying to make it seem that I'm blaming all individuals for the s******c r****m. That's not at all true. The system has developed over a hundred-plus years with not all citizens, but those in power building the system in order to keep power. Those in power were usually white INDIVIDUALS, and the blame for the system lies with them, not necessarily with ALL white people. That the system exists is without question. The original Jim Crow laws were discriminatory ... fact. What is happening now with Jim Crow 2 is also discriminatory ... fact.
As for teaching accurate history, I have no tolerance for teaching biased or prejudicial opinions about events in the nation's history. What I want to see happen is for history to be taught without passion or prejudice ... just the facts as they are recorded in the annals of history. That's all. If s***ery existed in 1619, then that's a fact. If the treaty with the Sioux nation was violated when the government took back the Black Hills, then this is also a fact that should be taught. All I'm asking for is an accurate depiction of our history that isn't slanted towards one ideology or another. As Jack Webb immortalized the phrase ... "Just the facts, maam, just the facts."
I realize that history is often written by the victor, and reflects that bias, but if we are to be honest, we must only use the available facts, not people's opinions of those facts.

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Aug 10, 2021 17:15:54   #
WEBCO
 
whitnebrat wrote:
But relocating polling places, eliminating mail-in v****g and shortening available hours disproportionally affects minority communities, particularly in getting to the polls at all is definitely making it more difficult if not impossible to cast their v**e. Technically speaking they aren't being denied their v**e, but they sure as hell are having their access to the polls in order to cast that v**ed denied or greatly diminished. You can't deny that.



Please show some proof, or facts, that "minority communities" are disproportionately affected by these measures. So yes I do "deny" your premise. Just like I deny that America is systemically r****t, the proof to the contrary is too overwhelming.

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Aug 10, 2021 21:40:27   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
WEBCO wrote:
Please show some proof, or facts, that "minority communities" are disproportionately affected by these measures. So yes I do "deny" your premise. Just like I deny that America is systemically r****t, the proof to the contrary is too overwhelming.

While I would love to dev**e the time and effort to provide you with any number of sources for a rebuttal, I fear that no matter how much data I could provide, it would not be effective in changing your mind as to the problem.
"My mind is made up ... don't confuse me with the facts."

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Aug 10, 2021 21:51:11   #
Rose42
 
whitnebrat wrote:
While I would love to dev**e the time and effort to provide you with any number of sources for a rebuttal, I fear that no matter how much data I could provide, it would not be effective in changing your mind as to the problem.
"My mind is made up ... don't confuse me with the facts."


You never know. It might change someone’s mind.

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Aug 10, 2021 23:07:51   #
WEBCO
 
whitnebrat wrote:
While I would love to dev**e the time and effort to provide you with any number of sources for a rebuttal, I fear that no matter how much data I could provide, it would not be effective in changing your mind as to the problem.
"My mind is made up ... don't confuse me with the facts."


Actually I love facts and proof. I've just never seen any to support your argument. Just like I've never seen any to show that v**er ID affects minorities disproportionately. I think it's r****t to assume that people of color don't have, or can't get, an ID.

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Aug 11, 2021 00:36:03   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
WEBCO wrote:
Actually I love facts and proof. I've just never seen any to support your argument. Just like I've never seen any to show that v**er ID affects minorities disproportionately. I think it's r****t to assume that people of color don't have, or can't get, an ID.


Maybe this will give you the facts and proof that you desire ...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/07/poll-prri-v**er-suppression/565355/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/new-v**er-suppression
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/groups-sue-florida-v****g-law-citing-bias-latinos-b****s-rcna962
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/688343
https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/02/v****g-discrimination-is-getting-worse-not-better/

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Aug 11, 2021 13:57:11   #
WEBCO
 


Read the Brennan center and scotus articles.

Brennan article has some glaring problems, it states that allowing a fire arm registration is proof to v**e but not a college ID. Simple answer, you have to prove that you are a resident of Texas and show ID to register your weapons. Anyone can enroll in a college in Texas, resident or not. See not racially discriminatory. Same goes for "the racially biased v**er purges" that started in 2014. Those v**er purges were usually done, under court order or threat of litigation, to get districts to comply with the federal mandates. Then they say that "having to v**e in your own district and polling location is racially biased" Really? V**e where you are registered to and supposed to, is racially biased? That's just stupid on it's face value

The scotus article had me laughing out loud. The DNCs position was that v**er ID and not allowing b****t harvesting was discriminatory. V**er ID I covered already...by the way you do know that 80% of Americans actually approve of v**er ID. Not allowing b****t harvesting is a no brainer, it is the easiest way to commit v***r f***d by far.

I'm a native of Arizona and still live here. We Arizonans aren't r****t at all, the glut of people moving here from Illinois, California, Washington and Oregon on the other hand...
Arizonans have always been 100% for legal immigration and totally against i*****l i*********n. As all Americans should be, and the law states.

If you actually agree with these articles, without asking simple questions like I did, then I must say that you're part of the "s******c r****m" that apparently exists somewhere in this country. Stop looking for r****m through the rose colored lenses of CRT and try to help heal this country before it's completely torn apart or simply gone.

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Aug 11, 2021 14:20:31   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
WEBCO wrote:
Read the Brennan center and scotus articles.

Brennan article has some glaring problems, it states that allowing a fire arm registration is proof to v**e but not a college ID. Simple answer, you have to prove that you are a resident of Texas and show ID to register your weapons. Anyone can enroll in a college in Texas, resident or not. See not racially discriminatory. Same goes for "the racially biased v**er purges" that started in 2014. Those v**er purges were usually done, under court order or threat of litigation, to get districts to comply with the federal mandates. Then they say that "having to v**e in your own district and polling location is racially biased" Really? V**e where you are registered to and supposed to, is racially biased? That's just stupid on it's face value

The scotus article had me laughing out loud. The DNCs position was that v**er ID and not allowing b****t harvesting was discriminatory. V**er ID I covered already...by the way you do know that 80% of Americans actually approve of v**er ID. Not allowing b****t harvesting is a no brainer, it is the easiest way to commit v***r f***d by far.

I'm a native of Arizona and still live here. We Arizonans aren't r****t at all, the glut of people moving here from Illinois, California, Washington and Oregon on the other hand...
Arizonans have always been 100% for legal immigration and totally against i*****l i*********n. As all Americans should be, and the law states.

If you actually agree with these articles, without asking simple questions like I did, then I must say that you're part of the "s******c r****m" that apparently exists somewhere in this country. Stop looking for r****m through the rose colored lenses of CRT and try to help heal this country before it's completely torn apart or simply gone.
Read the Brennan center and scotus articles. br ... (show quote)


We agree to disagree.

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Aug 11, 2021 15:20:03   #
WEBCO
 
whitnebrat wrote:
We agree to disagree.


Fine by me, we both have our opinions

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Aug 12, 2021 03:17:44   #
WEBCO
 
By the way, you presented no facts or proof, just opinions from the left. Start asking real questions, and looking for the t***h.

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