Some thoughts on v****g rights
Aug 8, 2021 21:09:39 #
whitnebrat
Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
On June 16th, 1858, Abraham Lincoln addressed the Illinois Republican Convention. He began the speech as follows:
"If we could first know where we are, and whither we are tending, we could then better judge what to do, and how to do it.
We are now far into the fifth year, since a policy was initiated, with the avowed object, and confident promise, of putting an end to s***ery agitation.
Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only, not ceased, but has constantly augmented.
In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached, and passed.
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."
I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half s***e and half free.
I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.
It will become all one thing or all the other.
Either the opponents of s***ery, will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South." ...
He ended it thus:
"Our cause, then, must be intrusted to, and conducted by its own undoubted friends -- those whose hands are free, whose hearts are in the work -- who do care for the result.
Two years ago the Republicans of the nation mustered over thirteen hundred thousand strong.We did this under the single impulse of resistance to a common danger, with every external circumstance against us.
Of strange, discordant, and even, hostile elements, we gathered from the four winds, and formed and fought the battle through, under the constant hot fire of a disciplined, proud, and pampered enemy.
Did we brave all then to falter now? -- now -- when that same enemy is wavering, dissevered and belligerent?
The result is not doubtful. We shall not fail -- if we stand firm, we shall not fail.
Wise councils may accelerate or mistakes delay it, but, sooner or later the victory is sure to come."
If we substitute the words “w***e s*******y” for “s***ery”, that same speech could have been given on any given day on the campaign trail in 2020.
Donald Trump, over the last five years has ripped off the scab of civility that hid the ugly t***h of r****m and other biases that have existed in this country since the inception of the republic and for a century-and-a-half before that. That it existed cannot be denied, nor be glossed over. If we are to have an accurate picture of our history, this must be acknowledged and taught as part of our heritage.
S***ery was only one facet of a multi-sided mindset of many w***e A******ns. There are numerous instances of r****m and biases evident in the nation’s history. Just a few are:
Native American genocide with ramifications to the present day. The subjugation of the tribes not only by the English-speaking invaders was prevalent, but the Spanish Conquistadors used the clerics that accompanied them to make virtual s***es of the California Native Americans.
Chinese workers brought over to work on the T***scontinental Railroad and then legislated and discriminated against.
Irish immigrants fleeing the Potato Famine, and forced into the lowest jobs for many years until their progeny managed to assimilate.
Polish immigrants for many years were considered to be the lowest of the economic classes and relegated to menial jobs for decades.
Latino immigrants who for many years worked the fields under s***e-like conditions and held other menial jobs. Still discriminated against to the present day.
Japanese internment during the Second World War.
Bias against Catholics since the founding of the Republic. The e******n of JFK almost two-hundred years later was the first instance of Catholics being elected to high office in the country.
The well-known and documented hatred of Jews has been prevalent throughout the ages, and has been elevated in the last five years with synagogue shootings and arsons.
One that is not mentioned much these days is the fact that women were considered to be chattel and were not allowed to v**e for the first one-hundred-fifty years of the Republic’s existence.
The list goes on and on. It’s not a pretty picture, but one that has to be acknowledged and made a prominent part of our history. It cannot be ignored.
Some of these biases are ethnic, some are religious, and many are racial, based on skin color. The ethnic and religious biases are easier to combat, but skin color is difficult to eliminate as a source of being “different”.
Our own Declaration of Independence states that “All men are created equal”. Of course, back then, that referred to white property owners, and not many other categories. We still have vestiges of that mindset in this day and age. The “white-s*********t” movement is alive and well, as shown at Charlottesville and the J****** 6th attack on the nation’s Capitol. These people can be classified as fanatics, given that no amount of factual evidence to the contrary will alter their thinking.
We are seeing “w***e s*******y” or “white nationalism” play out in a number of forums. There is legislation at the state level to suppress minority v****g rights. There is a recent Supreme Court decision that prevents lawsuits against “gerrymandering” of legislative districts from being heard in federal court, giving states an unfettered ability to make “safe” districts for one political party. We see the opposition to restoring the provisions of the V****g Rights Act that the Supreme Court gutted recently. The rationale of massive v****g fraud to justify these actions is countered by over sixty lawsuits that were thrown out for lack of evidence; the then-attorney general of the United States stating that there was no amount of v***r f***d sufficient to alter the outcome of the e******n; and any number of manual recounts that detected no major v***r f***d in any state.
All the original legislation in 1964 for v****g e******y was brought about by the blatant abuse of states of v****g rights, predominately in the South, by so-called “Jim Crow” laws which included poll taxes, literacy tests, and the like that almost completely stifled minority v****g (primarily black). In the current iteration of these laws (called by many “Jim Crow 2”), the elimination of polling places, e******n information, and mail-in v****g is performing the same loss of the ability of minority and lower-economic v**ers to get to the polls and/or being able to legally v**e in e******ns.
This makes the passage of HR-1 and SR-1 in Congress essential if we are to have free and f**r e******ns in the United States.
The argument will be made that the states have the right under the Constitution to run their own e******ns. The Constitution, in Article I, Section 4, reads as follows:
“The Times, Places and Manner of holding E******ns for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.”
It seems pretty clear that HR-1 and SR-1 as well as the ‘John Lewis V****g Rights Act’ have Constitutional authority to regulate the holding of the e******ns and how it is done.
In Article I, Section 2, however, there is a catch:
“The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the E*****rs in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for E*****rs of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.”
You might think that this could be a fly in the ointment, but you’d be wrong. The Fifteenth & Nineteenth Amendments to the Constitution preclude the states from making strict qualifications for v**ers.
AMENDMENT XV
Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.
Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to v**e shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
AMENDMENT XIX
Passed by Congress June 4, 1919. Ratified August 18, 1920.
The right of citizens of the United States to v**e shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
The Constitutional section and amendments need to be reinforced by the legislation that is currently before the Congress. Otherwise, we stand in great peril of losing our rights to elect those candidates that we want, and we would devolve into an authoritarian state with many of our individual freedoms at risk.
"If we could first know where we are, and whither we are tending, we could then better judge what to do, and how to do it.
We are now far into the fifth year, since a policy was initiated, with the avowed object, and confident promise, of putting an end to s***ery agitation.
Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only, not ceased, but has constantly augmented.
In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached, and passed.
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."
I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half s***e and half free.
I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.
It will become all one thing or all the other.
Either the opponents of s***ery, will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South." ...
He ended it thus:
"Our cause, then, must be intrusted to, and conducted by its own undoubted friends -- those whose hands are free, whose hearts are in the work -- who do care for the result.
Two years ago the Republicans of the nation mustered over thirteen hundred thousand strong.We did this under the single impulse of resistance to a common danger, with every external circumstance against us.
Of strange, discordant, and even, hostile elements, we gathered from the four winds, and formed and fought the battle through, under the constant hot fire of a disciplined, proud, and pampered enemy.
Did we brave all then to falter now? -- now -- when that same enemy is wavering, dissevered and belligerent?
The result is not doubtful. We shall not fail -- if we stand firm, we shall not fail.
Wise councils may accelerate or mistakes delay it, but, sooner or later the victory is sure to come."
If we substitute the words “w***e s*******y” for “s***ery”, that same speech could have been given on any given day on the campaign trail in 2020.
Donald Trump, over the last five years has ripped off the scab of civility that hid the ugly t***h of r****m and other biases that have existed in this country since the inception of the republic and for a century-and-a-half before that. That it existed cannot be denied, nor be glossed over. If we are to have an accurate picture of our history, this must be acknowledged and taught as part of our heritage.
S***ery was only one facet of a multi-sided mindset of many w***e A******ns. There are numerous instances of r****m and biases evident in the nation’s history. Just a few are:
Native American genocide with ramifications to the present day. The subjugation of the tribes not only by the English-speaking invaders was prevalent, but the Spanish Conquistadors used the clerics that accompanied them to make virtual s***es of the California Native Americans.
Chinese workers brought over to work on the T***scontinental Railroad and then legislated and discriminated against.
Irish immigrants fleeing the Potato Famine, and forced into the lowest jobs for many years until their progeny managed to assimilate.
Polish immigrants for many years were considered to be the lowest of the economic classes and relegated to menial jobs for decades.
Latino immigrants who for many years worked the fields under s***e-like conditions and held other menial jobs. Still discriminated against to the present day.
Japanese internment during the Second World War.
Bias against Catholics since the founding of the Republic. The e******n of JFK almost two-hundred years later was the first instance of Catholics being elected to high office in the country.
The well-known and documented hatred of Jews has been prevalent throughout the ages, and has been elevated in the last five years with synagogue shootings and arsons.
One that is not mentioned much these days is the fact that women were considered to be chattel and were not allowed to v**e for the first one-hundred-fifty years of the Republic’s existence.
The list goes on and on. It’s not a pretty picture, but one that has to be acknowledged and made a prominent part of our history. It cannot be ignored.
Some of these biases are ethnic, some are religious, and many are racial, based on skin color. The ethnic and religious biases are easier to combat, but skin color is difficult to eliminate as a source of being “different”.
Our own Declaration of Independence states that “All men are created equal”. Of course, back then, that referred to white property owners, and not many other categories. We still have vestiges of that mindset in this day and age. The “white-s*********t” movement is alive and well, as shown at Charlottesville and the J****** 6th attack on the nation’s Capitol. These people can be classified as fanatics, given that no amount of factual evidence to the contrary will alter their thinking.
We are seeing “w***e s*******y” or “white nationalism” play out in a number of forums. There is legislation at the state level to suppress minority v****g rights. There is a recent Supreme Court decision that prevents lawsuits against “gerrymandering” of legislative districts from being heard in federal court, giving states an unfettered ability to make “safe” districts for one political party. We see the opposition to restoring the provisions of the V****g Rights Act that the Supreme Court gutted recently. The rationale of massive v****g fraud to justify these actions is countered by over sixty lawsuits that were thrown out for lack of evidence; the then-attorney general of the United States stating that there was no amount of v***r f***d sufficient to alter the outcome of the e******n; and any number of manual recounts that detected no major v***r f***d in any state.
All the original legislation in 1964 for v****g e******y was brought about by the blatant abuse of states of v****g rights, predominately in the South, by so-called “Jim Crow” laws which included poll taxes, literacy tests, and the like that almost completely stifled minority v****g (primarily black). In the current iteration of these laws (called by many “Jim Crow 2”), the elimination of polling places, e******n information, and mail-in v****g is performing the same loss of the ability of minority and lower-economic v**ers to get to the polls and/or being able to legally v**e in e******ns.
This makes the passage of HR-1 and SR-1 in Congress essential if we are to have free and f**r e******ns in the United States.
The argument will be made that the states have the right under the Constitution to run their own e******ns. The Constitution, in Article I, Section 4, reads as follows:
“The Times, Places and Manner of holding E******ns for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.”
It seems pretty clear that HR-1 and SR-1 as well as the ‘John Lewis V****g Rights Act’ have Constitutional authority to regulate the holding of the e******ns and how it is done.
In Article I, Section 2, however, there is a catch:
“The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the E*****rs in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for E*****rs of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.”
You might think that this could be a fly in the ointment, but you’d be wrong. The Fifteenth & Nineteenth Amendments to the Constitution preclude the states from making strict qualifications for v**ers.
AMENDMENT XV
Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.
Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to v**e shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
AMENDMENT XIX
Passed by Congress June 4, 1919. Ratified August 18, 1920.
The right of citizens of the United States to v**e shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
The Constitutional section and amendments need to be reinforced by the legislation that is currently before the Congress. Otherwise, we stand in great peril of losing our rights to elect those candidates that we want, and we would devolve into an authoritarian state with many of our individual freedoms at risk.
Aug 8, 2021 21:26:43 #
Knowing WHO is v****g is NO restriction.
That is all we r****t pigs want. To know who is v****g. Pretty freaking simple.
It's never lonely at the top of the evolutionary food chain. Every one wants what you have. By nature, by work, by hook or crook...no matter..still comes out the same...WPWW!
That is all we r****t pigs want. To know who is v****g. Pretty freaking simple.
It's never lonely at the top of the evolutionary food chain. Every one wants what you have. By nature, by work, by hook or crook...no matter..still comes out the same...WPWW!
Aug 8, 2021 21:48:43 #
What are you trying to say?????
Can’t understand your point. It appears it has something to do with both CRT and V****g Rights.
Come back when you come out of your “Yellow Submarine!”
Can’t understand your point. It appears it has something to do with both CRT and V****g Rights.
Come back when you come out of your “Yellow Submarine!”
Aug 9, 2021 01:19:11 #
Aug 9, 2021 12:00:13 #
whitnebrat
Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
tbutkovich wrote:
What are you trying to say?????
Can’t understand your point. It appears it has something to do with both CRT and V****g Rights.
Come back when you come out of your “Yellow Submarine!”
Can’t understand your point. It appears it has something to do with both CRT and V****g Rights.
Come back when you come out of your “Yellow Submarine!”
OK, I'll spell it out for you in words of one syllable or less ...
CRT says that we have to acknowledge that r****m has been a large part of our history that we're trying to ignore. Why are we trying to ignore it? Because the white race doesn't want to take responsibility for the r****m that they have promoted and instituted over the years. All the instances of r****t and discriminatory practices that I listed in the original post were perpetrated by w****s in our own country, and now we don't want to admit that we were the ones that did it. W****s have always enjoyed a position of privilege and used it to do r****t stuff, and now they're facing a majority minority (more of them than there are of you) country that they fear will take away that privilege. This is a fear of loss of culture, of status, and of having to accept that they are no longer in power.
See the connection now?
And just for your information, my submarine isn't yellow, it's black, and armed with nuclear words that force people like you to face the t***h, whether you like it or not.
Aug 9, 2021 13:10:54 #
Whitney Brat:
We have eyes in our head and eyes in our heart. The eyes in our heads see color and react to that. The eyes in our heart see character and color has no meaning. Martin Luther King in his unifying memorable speech said: “Judge a man not by his color but by the content of his character.” This man had eyes in his heart.
Obviously, in order to draw the d******e conclusion the all w****s are White Supremist and all b****s are Victims which is the basis of critical race theory, you are looking at mankind through earthly eyes and are wearing blinders.
Open the eyes in your heart and you will see goodness in all men, black, white, brown, red and yellow. If you can’t do that, you will have to accept the label that Whitney Brat is a r****t!
We have eyes in our head and eyes in our heart. The eyes in our heads see color and react to that. The eyes in our heart see character and color has no meaning. Martin Luther King in his unifying memorable speech said: “Judge a man not by his color but by the content of his character.” This man had eyes in his heart.
Obviously, in order to draw the d******e conclusion the all w****s are White Supremist and all b****s are Victims which is the basis of critical race theory, you are looking at mankind through earthly eyes and are wearing blinders.
Open the eyes in your heart and you will see goodness in all men, black, white, brown, red and yellow. If you can’t do that, you will have to accept the label that Whitney Brat is a r****t!
Aug 9, 2021 14:15:57 #
Here are some bible verses that demonstrate that the Lord God does not approve of R****m. Stereotyping individuals is a form of r****m. Stereotype examples: "All w****s are white supremists!" "All b****s are thieves!"
Samuel 16:7:
“But the Lord said to Samuel, ‘Do not consider his earthly appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.’”
The Good News: Despite how you look at one another, God will always see you for what's inside your heart.
1 John 4:19-21:
“We love because he first loved us. Whoever claims to love God yet h**es a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.”
The Good News: Loving God means loving all those around you — despite what they look like.
Samuel 16:7:
“But the Lord said to Samuel, ‘Do not consider his earthly appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.’”
The Good News: Despite how you look at one another, God will always see you for what's inside your heart.
1 John 4:19-21:
“We love because he first loved us. Whoever claims to love God yet h**es a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.”
The Good News: Loving God means loving all those around you — despite what they look like.
Aug 9, 2021 15:27:09 #
whitnebrat
Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
tbutkovich wrote:
Whitney Brat: br br We have eyes in our head and ... (show quote)
I have no argument with what you said. I am merely pointing out the facts as history presents them. You can't ignore the history of r****m in this country. Not all w****s are r****t. Not all b****s are victims. But the facts irrefutably state that there are r****ts in this country and they are trying to re-institute Jim Crow in order to retain power for what they perceive to be the white members of the society.
If you took the post personally, I apologize for my inept use of words. It was not intended as a personal affront to the reader. It intended to point out that there are w***e s*********ts that are attempting to put white power back into play through legal means now and that is not in the best interests of the society as a whole.
Aug 9, 2021 15:54:47 #
Thank you for clarifying. You are right that r****m can be an individual thing, a group thing, but never a universal thing! I apologize for coming on too strong. We’re good!
Aug 9, 2021 16:57:15 #
whitnebrat wrote:
OK, I'll spell it out for you in words of one syll... (show quote)
While acknowledging r****m is important we also have to be careful to not tip the other way and overdo it with the white privilege rhetoric. Many of us had hard upbringings where there was no privilege. Much of what is happening today looks more like an effort to keep us divided - thats how it plays out. The type of rhetoric that claims all w****s are guilty or r****t is counterproductive and it excludes r****m from non w****s.
The more people are unjustly pushed - either way - the more they will push back.
Aug 9, 2021 18:49:19 #
Aug 9, 2021 19:30:56 #
whitnebrat
Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
Rose42 wrote:
While acknowledging r****m is important we also ha... (show quote)
While we had hard upbringings, we didn't get stopped for 'walking while black' or pulled over for being in the wrong neighborhood. That concept of 'white privilege' still defines two systems of justice for many minorities. Yes, the rhetoric sometimes gets out of hand, but the facts regarding the s******c r****m in this country cannot be denied, and the teaching of those facts has to be included in the history curriculum. Denying that it happened when there is documented evidence just won't hack it.
Aug 10, 2021 01:48:48 #
whitnebrat wrote:
On June 16th, 1858, Abraham Lincoln addressed the ... (show quote)
Nice story comrade, but nobody is being denied their right to v**e based on sex/g****r, race/color, or servitude.
Please stay in Oregon comrade, it's already completely f%$#ed up. Your disease/ideology is far deadlier and infectious than c***d19.
Aug 10, 2021 08:30:17 #
whitnebrat wrote:
While we had hard upbringings, we didn't get stopp... (show quote)
Your walking a fine line. S******c r****m cannot be considered a universal practice.
Looks like you still aren’t convinced that r****m has only to do with hearts of every individual. I am disappointed with you Whitney because you can’t get past your “counterfeit belief system.”
There is nothing wrong with teaching about the harm of prejudice and its affect on all minorities, but defining s******c r****m as a universal practice in the United States is false has no place in a history class.
Aug 10, 2021 15:59:54 #
whitnebrat
Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
WEBCO wrote:
Nice story comrade, but nobody is being denied their right to v**e based on sex/g****r, race/color, or servitude.
Please stay in Oregon comrade, it's already completely f%$#ed up. Your disease/ideology is far deadlier and infectious than c***d19.
Please stay in Oregon comrade, it's already completely f%$#ed up. Your disease/ideology is far deadlier and infectious than c***d19.
But relocating polling places, eliminating mail-in v****g and shortening available hours disproportionally affects minority communities, particularly in getting to the polls at all is definitely making it more difficult if not impossible to cast their v**e. Technically speaking they aren't being denied their v**e, but they sure as hell are having their access to the polls in order to cast that v**ed denied or greatly diminished. You can't deny that.
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