Rose42

Good idea. Its starting to get really crazy. People just aren’t thinking.

EmilyD

I think this Fall will be a test for the v******ted, if what I'm reading happens when flu season comes around and v******ted people get sick from the new seasonal illnesses and/or are "urged" to get the new "v******tions" ("flu shots") for the flu and other influenza-like c****av***s illnesses that we get every single year. They're going to see the results of the combination of what is already in their bodies (M-RNA spike proteins) to the new drugs and v***ses. The symptoms will be relentless headaches, all kinds of neurological problems, such as inability to walk or walking unstably, a feeling of "fogginess" (when the spike proteins that are already in their brains combine with the new v***ses or drugs), frontal temporal dementia (loss of speech and facial recognition) and other symptoms. And none of these symptoms are reversible! And some of them will be permanent...and there's nothing doctors can do. HCQ, Ivermectin, Vitamins D and C will all help some, but there is nothing that will remove the M-RNA from their bodies. It never, for the rest of their lives, leaves their bodies like other v*****e drugs have done in the past.

I hope this nightmare doesn't happen....that the scientists that are predicting these things are wrong. That the humans who are being tested now with this M-RNA therapy, don't have any future reactions to anything. But the fact that we don't know what will happen (and won't for a few years) because this is the first time humans have been subject to this experiment is pretty scary to me.

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Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich

HMMMM....LET ME SEE.....{ Question}...How many doctors agree with this preposterous position?

methinks: 5 out of 15, 000, agree totally on this supposition?

Just another unqualified 'factoid", from the "FARRRRRR, LEFT?"

Singularity

The danger of the disease symptoms to those infected after being v******ted is less, as v******tion prevents the excessive immune response to the infection which results in the more deadly progression of the disease. The v******ted can still be infected and infectious to others, They just are less likely to have the more serious of the consequential symptoms themselves.

If the person they pass their germs to is not v******ted, that person could likely suffer all the more serious effects of the disease.

V******tion protects from the worst possibilities (effectively causing changes in virility, the strength to cause issues) inherent in catching the v***s. It doesn't affect t***smissability (the propensity to "freeload.") as much as classic v*****es we were used to would.

The newer delta variant has evolved to possess much higher t***smissability, but with essentially the same virulence differential between v****d vs unv****d targets who become infected.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I wonder how this is even known about a v*****e that has no extended studies. The reporting of any data at this point is certainly subject to hundreds of confounding factors. I think it's just hoping and speculation by those pushing the v*****e.

Singularity

Correlating v******tion rates to any changes in virulence and t***smissabilty, essentially.

How bad could it be?

Virulence, how sick the germs make an individual or group is correlated to numbers and trends in hospital admissions and deaths.

How likely is it to happen?

T***smissibility is correlated more closely to the total number of all cases, asymptomatic all the way to deadly, as measured by the number and trending of demonstrated positive test cases.

That both these statistics are measured and reported, as well as assiduously countered and attacked as contrived, manipulated or errant by those with strong feelings, on both sides of the question, reveals their perceived relative importance by all contenders.

Garbage in, garbage out? Another relative factor, on both sides.

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microphor Loc: Home is TN

I respect your decision to get the v*****e. I have COPD and my doctor pretty much insisted I get v*****e. Saying that, I understand completely why some people are hesitant about getting the v*****e, especially young healthy people. As for regional hospitals getting inundated with the v******ted, that should no longer happen considering we now know who to hospitalize and who not to. But even if the hospitals do, how long will that last before we have reached some kind of herd immunity due to people surviving C***d and the v******ted. There are people out there with legitimate concerns who feel they are at higher risk by getting v*****e. And, if the v*****e doesn't stop t***smission or getting ill, why force it on others "because you may not get as ill", who's to say, Science can't.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

EmilyD

But anything that discusses long-term outcomes of those "v******ted" is still just a guesstimate. Since humans were not involved in any testing of the M-RNA molecule until the roll-out of the "v*****e" to the public in December, the long-term effects on them are unknown. M-RNA has been in the testing phase with lab animals since 1987, and until December last year, none of the testing was successful on the animals....most of them died. Which is why testing on humans had not begun....until December.

T***smissibility, side effects, death, etc. statistics are all in the very early stages for this M-RNA gene therapeutic "v*****e" research. It is an experiment - a clinical trial with humans - and it is far from conclusive at this point. IOW, nothing has been proved yet, and won't be for several years. What might seem "likely to happen" is pure conjecture right now, and should not be viewed as fact.

We just don't know "how bad it could be"....and we won't know for quite a while.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

If that works for you, go for it. I was exposed daily for many months in the early days of 2020 having close encounters with folks who have come in from travels all over the globe. I wasn't v******ted for over a year into the p******c. My brother got it but had next to no S/S. He only got tested because of his paranoid wife. He is a high risk individual too. When he got v******ted he felt worse for a week than when he actually had it.

I have a friend who got v******ted about 8 months ago who is now claiming to have it. Quick test negative. The one at his dr's office was positive. His S/S sound to me more like a sinus infection, but who am I to suggest a round of antibiotics sto see if that clears it up, which I'd bet a thousand it would.

The point is, the reporting is highly scewed towards diagnosis of c***d and over emphasizing v******tions based upon the reports of suffering in the hospitals, many claiming they are being over run. The director of the Texas Health system, formerly Presbyterian hospitals, came out about 8 months ago to point out that things are as they always are. That the press is exaggerating about them being 'over loaded" But hey, people hear that and succumb to the hysteria. So be it.

Singularity

And now we run the risk of conflating two other distinct aspects of the specific v*****e, safety vs efficacy.

EmilyD

...Which we also know almost nothing about at this point.

Singularity

Yes.

SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now

Im sorry for your health issues, I have several myself. I can also go to VA for the jab but I have, as you suggested “look harder” and I’m not convinced this experimental drug is safe, I’m not sure it ever will be.