Ike Loc: Minnesota Iron Range

Okay, let's try again. Yes, you and I pay taxes. To OUR GOVERNMENT. So OUR government is a means WE use to collect and spend OUR money. And we elect people we trust to decide how much to collect and where to spend it. So not only is it not true that you don't need the government, you are PART of the government. And so am I. And so are we all. If we didn't have a government, we would have to rely on our savings for retirement income and medical needs, and because that wasn't working very well, Social Security and later Medicare were established. I'm pretty sure both of us will take a lot more out in benefits than we paid in, but that's how the system is set up, and it will continue to work if people don't keep bashing it as "unsustainable." And if there were no government, we would have to organize a group to build or repair a road, or rely on private enterprise to build and maintain that road and "rent" it to us by charging a toll. I'd rather have OUR government do it. The idea that government is the enemy was best explained in the classic line from Pogo: "We has met the enemy, and they is us."
Oh, and I don't have a C*******t Party membership card, but I do have a PUBLIC library card. I guess that's close enough.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

:thumbup: :thumbup: :mrgreen: I like 'Ike'!

JMHO Loc: Utah

What a bunch of left wing gibberish and rot! The government has become too large and abusive under the leadership of your ilk...the radical lefties, i.e. socialists. The government needs to be scaled back and more needs to be t***sferred back to the states. Social security and Medicare needs to be reformed, and my taxes reduced.

You may not hold a membership in the C*******t party USA, but you sure think like one.

JMHO Loc: Utah

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slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Okay...that's JYHO. :wink:

Floyd Hale

You get me wrong , I AM NOT A LIBERAL .i to paid into social security , and watch the government steal . Have had a doctor refused to accept medicare payments , which they took for OBamma's care .Am looking to Nov .

dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)

As long as we're just expressing our thoughts ... "Socialist Security," is just that. A Ponzi Scheme foisted upon us by a Democrat president without being thoroughly thought out. It was never intended that folks be able to live on it but once started, that's exactly what everyone thought it was. We hear all the time that, "It's my money, I put it in and I want to get it all back." Well Sunshine, you get everything back that you put in within the 1st two years of retiring. After that everything you get is some (younger) person's money who is working and paying in, today. Remember the Algebra problems that showed a tank being filled by one pipe and drained by another? You were supposed to set up an equation that told you how long it would take to either fill or empty the tank. Guess what? The sizes of pipes and tank didn't change but in Socialist Security, they do. The drain pipe is getting bigger; the fill pipe smaller. Doesn't take a Rocket Surgeon to figure this one out.

"Mediscare," another brilliant Ponzi scheme. I paid in well over $100K from it's inception in '65 until I retired in '08. And I will collect - Zip, zilch, nada, niente. At age 65 I signed up for Part A but was told that, since I was still working and covered by BC/BS, I didn't need Part B. No one mentioned that I would need to sign up when I retired so, at 67 & a half, I stepped into retirement and continued BC/BS. Thinking that covered me I didn't look into Medicare again for several years. Now I learn that it'll cost me $10/month for every year I didn't sign up after I could have. $90/month I could absorb but not $160 so my $100K is paying for Mexican Moochers today and I will never see it again. Between waste, fraud and abuse Medicare is headed the way of the DoDo Bird along with its big brother SS. "Government will service you," alright. Same as a bull will 'service' a cow.

Had we all been left to invest these monies for ourselves we could be way better off today but "Uncle Sugar" insists that we would fail to maintain our own investments so they think they "have" to do it for us. And that is Socialism folks. And we only have it by our own consent.

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

Facts, common sense and t***h, ... good post, dennisimoto. :thumbup: :P

grace scott

You got some bad advice. I signed up for Medicare at 65, but did not retire until 68. Medicare was my primary insurance. BC/BS was my secondary.

Buford Loc: Arizona

It sounds once again a liberal knows we are up SH-- Creek and helped get us there but is expecting everyone else to Bail them out. But once it gets turned around they will take credit for the turn around and blame it on us.

VladimirPee

That is the problem. Liberals " Feel" too much and rely on emotion rather than logic or facts. That is how Obama was elected and given a Nobel Prize. Certainly not based on the facts.

Blacksheep

I don't feel you. Thank God.
What you feel is that we should prop up the lazy and stupid with welfare programs, to put it plainly. That's what you feel, that those who work hard and achieve should help support those who don't, and I strongly suspect you feel this way because you are one of those who wants to be supported.

I feel that you should seek charity at home, and start looking at the ends of your arms first, for those helping hands.

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Lets see now...you can buy a plastic ash tray in a store for a buck or two....but you can be fashionable and buy one from the Government for a few thousand dollars.....and whats more...you can have a Government that forces you to buy that cheap ass plastic ash tray for a few thousand dollars.....how nice. And we can have a larger government that would add to more taxes being owed in the long run, so that you cannot even afford to worry about those roads...or who paid for them to be maintained...your government will be the only ones using them...how nice.....you will not have the extra income to worry about how you travel....your government can pick you up and make you work......to pay them for what THEY want from you...how nice....BULLS**T! Liberalism is nothing but an excuse for the lazy and a destructive force to freedoms. Period.

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

Ike: I believe the man is trying to tell you...that programs like SSAN, Medicare, Roads, Education are paid for by hard working people....its the liabilities in this Country that are d**gging the system down. Don't call these social programs entitlements...they were paid for by the majority of hard working Americans! Medical and Education are not a right in this Country...But in such a great Country...they should be affordable! We have become a Country of two sides...The liabilities and assets! When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work, because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to 
get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation! The t***h is that Conservatism is an ideology that is in accordance with natural law and basic human decency, while Liberalism is merely the summit of a slippery slope leading down to the hellish depths of collective misery. Our Founding Fathers knew this. Hell is now empty and all the devils are here! -William Shakespeare-

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Hope you can afford to buy yourself some kleenex, as you have NONE coming from me....

That GAP that worries you has nothing to do with wealth....it totally has to do with how fucking lazy you are and how you loathe having to pay your own way in life...

The Constitution was not made to be a "welfare" document, yet rather a enforceable decree that anyone that wants to live a life and work for what they want to have, can do so WITHOUT the fucking GOVERNMENT standing in your way.....

God damned stupid ass hole liberals......want to fuck up everything all the time.....so damned stupid you would fuck up a wet dream.