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Jul 8, 2021 12:00:57   #
Rose42
 
Michael Rich wrote:
So with each different audience God wanted slightly varying stories?

No amount of Christian apologism can make it look any other way than it is.


Since you don’t believe no answer will ever satisfy you because rather than looking for truth you are looking for reasons to bolster your unbelief

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Jul 8, 2021 12:10:34   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Michael Rich wrote:
Let's look at the resurrection accounts to see if there's a harmony of words.

Here are a few different versions of what Christianity believes is God breathed...

#1..Did Jesus drink what was offered to him?

Matt 27:34 says yes...(wine and gall)
Mark 15:23 says that Jesus didn't drink it.
Luke 23:36 says he was offered vinegar, but doesn't say if he drank it.
John 19:29-30 says yes, he did drink the vinegar.

#2. Did the two thieves believe in Jesus?

Matt. 27:44 says neither believed in Jesus.
Mark 15:32 says neither.
Luke 23:39-41 says one thief did the other didn't.
John doesn't mention it.

#3. What were Jesus last dying words on the cross?

Matt 27:46 says..Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani (My God, my God, why did You forsake me?)
Mark 15:34 says the same as Matt.
Luke 23:46 says.."Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.
John 19:30 says.."it is finished"

#4. When did Mary prepare the spices?

It's not mentioned in Matt.
Mark 16:1 says..Mary prepared spices Saturday night.
Luke 23:56 says..Mary prepared spices on Friday.
John 19:39 says..Nicodemus prepared spices on Friday.

#5. Had the sun risen when the women arrived at the tomb?

Matt 28:1 says..It was toward dawn of the first day of the week.
Mark 16:2 says..they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.
Luke 24:1 says..At early dawn they went to the tomb.
John 20:1 says..Mary came to the tomb, while it was still dark.

#6. How many days was Jesus in the tomb?

Matt 28:1 says..3 days and two nights.
Mark 16:2 says 3 days and two nights.
Luke 24:1 says 3 days and two nights.
John 20:1 says..2 days and two nights.

#7. How many people came to the tomb and who were they?

Matt 28:1 says..Two, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary.
Mark 16:1 says..Three, two Mary's and Salome.
Luke 24:10 says..Four+, two Mary's, Joanna and other women.
John 20:1 says..One, Mary Magdalene came alone.

#7. Was the stone removed when the women arrived at the tomb?

Matt 29:1-2 says..No, An angel rolled the stone away after the women arrived.
Mark 16:4 says..Yes, The stone had already been rolled away when they arrived.
Luke 24:2 says..Yes..the stone had already been rolled away when they arrived.
John 20:1 says..Yes..the stone had been rolled away when Mary arrived.

#8. How many angels were at the tomb?

Matt 28:2 says..One angel sitting on the stone which he rolled away from the tomb.
Mark 16:5 says..One young man sitting on the right side , inside the tomb.
Luke 24:4 says..Two men standing by them inside the tomb.
John 20:1-12 says.. No angels at first, the second time Mary arrived at the tomb, two angels are sitting inside.

#9. What are the angels instructions at the tomb?

Matt 28:6-7 says..Go to Galilee to meet Jesus..he is not here, he has risen...tell his disciples he is going before you to Galilee.
Mark 16:6-7 says..Go to Galilee to meet Jesus..do not be amazed..he has risen..tell his disciples and Peter he is going before you to Galilee.
Luke 25:5-7;..49 The women were specifically instructed not to go to Galilee, but to stay in Jerusalem. In Acts 1:4 He commanded them that should should not leave Jerusalem.
John 20 it was Jesus who told Mary about the resurrection during her second visit.

#10. Does Mary wish to tell the disciples what occurred?

Matt 28:8 says..Yes..They departed and ran to tell the disciples.
Mark 16::8 says..No..They said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.
Luke 24:9 says..Yes..Returning from the tomb, they told all this to the eleven and all the others.
John 20:18 says Yes..mary Magdalene told them "I have seen the Lord"

#11. To whom and where does Jesus make his first appearance?

Matt 28:9 says..Both Marys, on their way to Jerusalem, after leaving the tomb.
Mark..jesus makes no appearance following the crucifixion. Originally, the book of Mark abruptly ended without any description of Jesus encountering Mary or the disciples following the crucifixion. Early church scribes were so alarmed by Marks disappointing conclusion that they added their own, appending 12 additional verses (16:9-20) which describe some of Jesus's appearances to Mary and the disciples after Mary fled the tomb (18:8-9.
Luke 24:13-18..Cleopas an other in Emmaus.
John 20:1, 11-14 to Mary Magdalene at the tomb. Paul claims Jesus appeared first to Peter..1Cor.15:5.

#12. Is Mary allowed to touch Jesus after the resurrection?

Matt 28:9 says Yes, "they came and held him by his feet and worshiped him"
Not mentioned in Mark .
Luke 24:39 says..Yes.."Behold my hands and my feet and see"
John 20:17 says..No..Jesus said to her, "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father"

#13.How many times does Jesus appear after the resurrection?

Matt 28:9-20..Two times.
Mark 16:9-18..Three times.
Luke 24:13-51..Two times.
John 20:14-21:23. Four times. Paul in 1 Cor. 15:5-8 says six times.

That's enough for now, but how can these varying storylines be God breathed.

I've read and listened to Christian apologists try to explain the differences as when multiple people witness a car wreck, some will see the incident different than other witnesses.

But if the Greek bible is God breathed, there should be no discrepancies.
Let's look at the resurrection accounts to see if ... (show quote)


The Trinitarianism God has multiple personalities... Each gospel is the result of a slightly different personality inspiring the writer...

Because it's all 100% true....

I mean, obviously Jesus drank the wine, and gall, and vinegar, and nothing... That makes perfect sense...

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Jul 8, 2021 12:45:11   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
For Michael and canuckus to ponder…read and learn about yourselves…

Psalm 92:6
A senseless man does not know, Nor does a fool understand this.

Proverbs 10:21b
Fools die for lack of wisdom.

Proverbs 10:23a
To do evil is like sport to a fool.

Proverbs 12:15a
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes.

Proverbs 14:3a
In the mouth of a fool is a rod of pride.

Proverbs 14:9a
Fools mock at sin.

Proverbs 15:2b
The mouth of fools pours forth foolishness.

Proverbs 18:2a
A fool has no delight in understanding.

Proverbs 19:3a
The foolishness of a man twists his way.

Proverbs 23:9
Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words.

Proverbs 24:7a
Wisdom is too lofty for a fool.

Proverbs 26:5
Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.

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Jul 8, 2021 12:56:17   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The Trinitarianism God has multiple personalities... Each gospel is the result of a slightly different personality inspiring the writer...

Because it's all 100% true....

I mean, obviously Jesus drank the wine, and gall, and vinegar, and nothing... That makes perfect sense...


People are scared to question their beliefs.

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Jul 8, 2021 13:15:26   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Parky60 wrote:
For Michael and canuckus to ponder…read and learn about yourselves…

Psalm 92:6
A senseless man does not know, Nor does a fool understand this.

Proverbs 10:21b
Fools die for lack of wisdom.

Proverbs 10:23a
To do evil is like sport to a fool.

Proverbs 12:15a
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes.

Proverbs 14:3a
In the mouth of a fool is a rod of pride.

Proverbs 14:9a
Fools mock at sin.

Proverbs 15:2b
The mouth of fools pours forth foolishness.

Proverbs 18:2a
A fool has no delight in understanding.

Proverbs 19:3a
The foolishness of a man twists his way.

Proverbs 23:9
Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words.

Proverbs 24:7a
Wisdom is too lofty for a fool.

Proverbs 26:5
Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
For Michael and canuckus to ponder…read and learn ... (show quote)




All very good admonishment and advise.

Have you ever used it in real time for your own faults and constant sinning?

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Jul 8, 2021 13:15:50   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The Trinitarianism God has multiple personalities... Each gospel is the result of a slightly different personality inspiring the writer...

Because it's all 100% true....

I mean, obviously Jesus drank the wine, and gall, and vinegar, and nothing... That makes perfect sense...

I've suspected all along that you're willfully ignorant but lately everything you say confirms that.

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Jul 8, 2021 13:17:19   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Michael Rich wrote:
All very good admonishment and advise.

Have you ever used it in real time for your own faults and constant sinning?

As usual you twist things and deflect away from yourself.

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Jul 8, 2021 13:34:21   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Parky60 wrote:
As usual you twist things and deflect away from yourself.


I'm beginning to see that you couldn't care less about sharing truth, you just want to defeat someone.

Keep trying, you just might learn something about your idol worship some day.

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Jul 8, 2021 14:16:30   #
Rose42
 
Michael Rich wrote:
People are scared to question their beliefs.


Don’t project your fear onto others.

Its profoundly sad that you and CD mock the God you claim to love.

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Jul 8, 2021 14:48:46   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Michael Rich wrote:
I'm beginning to see that you couldn't care less about sharing truth, you just want to defeat someone.

Keep trying, you just might learn something about your idol worship some day.

How much more truth am I sharing than you? I'm providing Scripture to back up my beliefs and all you do is say that one phrase in some cherry-picked verse makes you right and then you glom on to it like a dog with a bone and all you want to discuss is that one phrase. You never provide supporting evidence - by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established.

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Jul 8, 2021 14:52:21   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Parky60 wrote:
How much more truth am I sharing than you? I'm providing Scripture to back up my beliefs and all you do is say that one phrase in some cherry-picked verse makes you right and then you glom on to it like a dog with a bone and all you want to discuss is that one phrase. You never provide supporting evidence - by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established.


You need a heavy dose of convolution to sell your "Jesus is God story"

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Jul 8, 2021 14:53:53   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Rose42 wrote:
Don’t project your fear onto others.

Its profoundly sad that you and CD mock the God you claim to love.


I don't mock my Creator, that's why I believe his commandments are for forever.

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Jul 8, 2021 16:19:14   #
Rose42
 
Michael Rich wrote:
I don't mock my Creator, that's why I believe his commandments are for forever.


You sure do when you reject Christ’. Your claim that Christians don’t think his commandments are for forever is downright silly and honestly ignorant.

You can repeat it a million times and it still won’t be truth

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Jul 8, 2021 17:08:53   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Rose42 wrote:
You sure do when you reject Christ’. Your claim that Christians don’t think his commandments are for forever is downright silly and honestly ignorant.

You can repeat it a million times and it still won’t be truth


If you believe what you say, why is it that you don't hold the seventh day Sabbath as sacred day.?

God said that the seventh day is consecrated forever.

It's really sad that Christians try to distort scripture to say that the holy day of rest was changed to the first day of the week.

You won't find it in your Greek bible, because it was changed later by the Catholic church.

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Jul 8, 2021 19:16:18   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
For Michael and canuckus to ponder…read and learn about yourselves…

Psalm 92:6
A senseless man does not know, Nor does a fool understand this.

Proverbs 10:21b
Fools die for lack of wisdom.

Proverbs 10:23a
To do evil is like sport to a fool.

Proverbs 12:15a
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes.

Proverbs 14:3a
In the mouth of a fool is a rod of pride.

Proverbs 14:9a
Fools mock at sin.

Proverbs 15:2b
The mouth of fools pours forth foolishness.

Proverbs 18:2a
A fool has no delight in understanding.

Proverbs 19:3a
The foolishness of a man twists his way.

Proverbs 23:9
Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words.

Proverbs 24:7a
Wisdom is too lofty for a fool.

Proverbs 26:5
Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
For Michael and canuckus to ponder…read and learn ... (show quote)


The irony is boggling..

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