Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Yes, it's just that simple.

Rose42

Except thats not necessarily correct. Non believers can do charitable acts and appear to do ‘good’ deeds. What matters is whats in the heart and why its done. Is one doing it out of love for God or for themselves?

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

But you are the one that continually reminds us if God wants us to know or do something he would tell us directly! Right! 😎

Do you accept the entire Talmud or just bits and pieces?


As an ancient moral code, the Noahide Laws have been a major influence in many cultures. In fact, in 1991, both houses of Congress passed a bill, signed into law by President George H. W. Bush, that declared the Noahide Laws to be “the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization” and the “ethical values and principles . . . upon which our great Nation was founded”

Are the Noahide Laws found in the Bible? No, not as a definitive list, and they are certainly not associated with either Noah or Adam. Are the Noahide Laws congruent with biblical teaching? The basic seven laws are congruent with Old Testament revelation. The Talmud calls for capital punishment for Gentiles who violate the Noahide Laws, and this has led to some debate as to whether or not Christians (who worship Jesus Christ) are guilty of violating the first Noahide law and therefore deserving of the death penalty. The modern consensus is that Trinitarianism is acceptable among Gentiles. In any case, it is important to note that we are not saved by rule-keeping; God requires faith in His Son (John 3:18).

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Michael, the world is not Jewish nor do they operate under Jewish Law.

Where in your Bible did God demand the entire world to follow Jewish Law and observe Jewish holidays and traditions.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Then you are following Jewish Law ?

Do you not need a Rabbi to help decide what is necessary for atonement? Isn’t drinking too much on a regular basis one of their sins?

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

You do realize that animal sacrifice was for unintentional sins?

Leviticus chapt 4 lays it all out in detail.

The deadly sins are to be sincerely repented of, make amends if possible, and charity to where it actually affects your budget.

Ezekiel 18 is where the Holy Lord of Hosts lays it out in very straightforward terms.

Canuck is exactly right about that.

I'm pretty impressed that he went from atheism to believing in a creator and sustainer.

That in itself shows that God wants Kyle to search out who He is and what He expects from us.

Another huge thing that would help Americans and other folks is to read and comprehend the Hebrew scriptures before ever reading the Greco/Roman bible.

In most Sunday schools and Weds evening bible studies, the Hebrew bible isn't read as being as important as the Greco/Roman bible.

I've been in many different denominations bible readings and charity events for the experience.

The most wholesome and sincere (and giving) were the many poor black neighborhood churches in South Central L.A.

The neighborhoods were scary, but I felt safe within the little congregations.

The warmth was humbling.

That sort of charity will go a long ways toward the good, on judgment day.

P.S...their kindness toward just me isn't a big deal.

They had a genuine love for brothers of all races and I could easily tell that's how they lived in all aspects of their lives.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

I always thought that according to the OT that if anyone sins…an animal sacrifice is always performed as part of the atonement for the sin.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Worry less about legalistic "structure" and more about the revealed will of the One true Triune God Who Is love, mercy, righteousness and justice.

When you definitively affirm that Jesus Christ is not God, you turn your back on the Triune God Who Is all truth.

When you identify Jesus as one of equal status with Paul, you reveal yourself to have no spiritual understanding of the Bible or the Supreme Deity who inspired it.

Paul got it.

Paul’s immediate response to Christ’s rebuke for “kicking against the pricks” was the submissive question, “Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?" (Acts 9:5–6; 22:10)

He was a wise man.

So once more:

Because the word "Sabbath" (drivative of the Hebrew Shabbat) literally means rest, or interruption, cessation, desist (from the verb sabbat, meaning to stop, to cease, or to keep), its theological meaning is rooted in God's rest following the six days of creation (Genesis 2:2-3). The Greek noun sabbat translates the Hebrew noun sabbat.

Its importance rests ultimately on its symbolic representation of the order of creation. For, according to the Genesis narrative, God Himself (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) rested on the seventh day, thus making it sacred (Gen 2:1-2 ).

God, the Living Logos, the 2nd person within the Triune Godhead (who became incarnate in Jesus Christ), has never ordered, dictated or commanded that keeping Shabbat is to dress in one's finery and assemble together in meetings of worship, or meetings of any sort at all.

It is meant to be a day of peaceful thankful reflection upon our Creator; a day to refrain from all of man's routine pursuits of either work or play.

Because the Christian is not bound to observe the Jewish Sabbath (though many Christians do observe Saturday as their day of rest) they are not subject to Moses' command or prophecy to the Hebrews.

Christian assembly on Sunday in meetings of worship, does not violate Shabbat (the Jewish Sabbath), nor do Wednesday Prayer meetings, or Thursday Bible Studies.

Any attempted change in structure, within either Christianity or Judaism was done by overreaching mere mortals, power seeking religious authorities encased in priest's robes or ministerial garb, NOT by Jesus, who is God, for He reaffirmed that the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

The only "commandments" Jesus ever chose to break on the Sabbath belonged to Jewish manmade tradition, never divine law.

By His statement "the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:8) Jesus affirmed that the authority of the Sabbath does not exceed his own. Hence, the Son of Man as Lord decides the true meaning of the Sabbath.
In two accounts in particular, the authority by which Jesus' Sabbath healings are performed is linked directly to God the Father, according both to the blind man's (John 9:33) and Jesus' own witness (John 5:17).

What did Jesus reference by using the term, "The Son of Man?"

One like a "Son of Man" was seen in a vision by the prophet, Daniel who wrote of it 604 years Before Christ, which was eighteen years prior to the destruction of the first Temple in 586 B.C.
Daniel and several other young men (1:4) were deported from Judah to Babylon under King Nebuchadnezzar. The book ends two years after the seventy years of exile in 532 B.C., and is written in both Hebrew and Aramaic.

Daniel 7:13-14:
"I saw in the night visions, and behold,
with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.
And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him;
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed."

Second, by stressing that the Sabbath was made for humankind and not humankind for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27) Jesus gives an indication as to its true meaning, as he places it within God's intent that it benefit all creation and not just Israel. Jesus' healings on the Sabbath underscore this beneficent character, for "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:12).

By His response to the religious leaders in two incidents, He makes clear that at stake is the health (physical and spiritual) of those healed. Just as naturally as one would lead an ox or donkey to water (13:15) or rescue a child who has fallen into a well on the Sabbath (14:5), Jesus acts, with eschatological urgency, to preserve life and promote salvation.

In bowing to God's will and ceasing from labor, one is reminded that one's true status is that of a dependent being upon the God who cares for and sustains all of His creatures, and of the entire world ultimately belonging to a Sovereign God.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Here are some scriptures saying that the same law is for both natives and foreigners is the same.

As far as an actual commandment to all of the world, I'm not aware of it.

However, God didn't have two sets of laws.

Anyone wishing to honor God is supposed to follow God's everlasting laws...just as the law abiding Jews do.

Exodus 12:49..There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you.

There are verses in many places that say the same.

Leviticus 16:29 ..Leviticus 18:26..Leviticus 19:34...Leviticus 24:22...Exodus 20:10...Numbers 15:29

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Yes, of course, the reason for doing works should always be out of concern for others, not brownie buttons.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Zechariah 8:23...says that in the coming days people will grab onto Jews, knowing that God is with them.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

But the "law abiding Jews" didn't, Michael,

Because they couldn't, just as no one alive today can, else, they would not need their annual holiest of their most holy days, Yom Kippur, traditionally observed with a day-long fast and intensive prayer, often spending most of the day in synagogue services.

This is a day where the traditional greeting is " "K'tivah v'hatimah tovah" - which we would render as "may you be inscribed and sealed in the Book of Life (for another year)," which is the most they can hope for.

Contrast this with Hebrews, in the New Testament, which you have rejected.

Hebrews 3:12,18,19 "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God."

Hebrews 4:2,6 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

Hebrews 7:19 "(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God."

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Zechariah 14:00 is a interesting look into the future.

The feast of Tabernacles will be celebrated by all nations.

I highly doubt that it will be the only one of God's hebrew festivals observed at that time.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

I have attended services during Sukkot, i.e., the Feast of Tabernacles, Michael, with Messianic Jewish worshipers of Yeshua/Jesus, and on other occasions with Jews who believe their Messiah has not yet appeared.

The Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) points to the final phase of God's plan of redemption for mankind — the Second Coming of Christ and the Millennium. It is rich in spiritual meaning for both Christians and Jews.

The Feast of Tabernacles is unique in that among the Festivals of the Lord it specifically invites the Gentile nations to participate. (Deuteronomy 31:10-12) It is also unique in that the Bible tells us, it will be celebrated throughout the Messianic Age. Zechariah 14:16-19 makes it clear that during the Millennium, all the nations of the earth will celebrate Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. The Feast of Tabernacles was also called the "Feast of Ingathering" (Exodus 23:16)

In addition to the many verses referring to the Feast is the dedication of the First Temple (aka Solomon's Temple)
(1st Kings 8).
The First Temple was built by Hebrew King Solomon with assistance from the Gentile King Hiram. (1st Kings 5)
Believing Jew and Gentile together as one has always been part of God's plan of redemption.

Leviticus 23 outlines seven annual "appointed times" of the Lord. The Hebrew word for "appointed times" translates as “feasts” and/or “festivals” in most English Bibles. Though called feasts/festivals, they are actually special Holy Days created by God for the purpose of our meeting with Him. Each Feast/Festival of the Lord has three defining characteristics: the people of God observe the festivals in the present to remember past works of God, all the while looking ahead to greater future works of God.

The first four feasts were prophetic foreshadows of the first-coming of Yeshua/Jesus. Consequently, Yeshua /Jesus fulfilled the first four feasts in His first-coming, and He will fulfill the remaining feasts in His second coming.

Usage: Succoth

Literally: booths [temporary dwellings]

Strong's Number: H5523

Hebrew Base Word: סֻכּוֹת

Part of speech: Proper Name Location

Definition: Succoth, the name of a place in Egypt and of three in Palestine.

Detailed definition: The site where Jacob put up booths for his cattle and built a house for himself; apparently east of the Jordan near the ford of the torrent Jabbok and later allotted to the tribe of Gad.
The 1st stopping place of the Israelites when they left Egypt.

Derived terms: Or סֻכֹּת; plural of H5521; booths.

"And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children." ( Exodus 12:37)

Sukkot expresses the joyous transition of the Israelites from the arid desert to a place of trees and rivers, and commemorates the miraculous protection God provided for the children of Israel when they left Egypt.

Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles, also known as the "Feast of Booths," and the "Feast of Ingathering" is the seventh and last feast that the Lord commanded Israel to observe and one of the three feasts that Jews were to observe (together with Pesach (Passover) and Shavuot (Pentecost)) each year by going to "appear before the Lord your God in the place which He shall choose" (Deuteronomy 16:16). They were commanded to make a pilgrimage to the Temple in Jerusalem. It follows the solemn High Holy Days holiday of Yom Kippur, also known as the Day of Atonement. The holiday of Sukkot lasts seven days.

The Appointed Time of Sukkot was always been a time of great rejoicing for the Jewish people in the past, just as it is today: for those awaiting their Messiah, for the Messianic Jews who worship Jesus as their Messiah, and for many modern secular Jews who observe their most prized historical cultural traditions, even if lacking belief in the God who commanded them.

The most prominent symbol in all of Sukkot is that of the Sukkah, the booth in which the observant Jewish family will dwell for the duration of the Festival. Many Jews are so eager for this joyful time together with family and friends that they’ll immediately begin constructing their sukkah at Yom Kippur’s closure on 10 Tishrei - five days prior to 15 Tishrei - when the Torah commands families to commence their booth-dwelling week.

The Bible instructs: “You are to live in sukkot” (Leviticus 23:42); implicit in that command is that a sukkah had to be constructed. Although the Torah is vague regarding the actual construction, Jewish rabbis have provided direction as to how this process looks.

The sukkah is required to be built outside - “in a yard or on a roof, or even, for city dwellers, on a balcony” - and to have three walls, made of materials selected by the builder (e.g. wood, brick, tarp). The sukkah’s appearance illustrates it’s temporary nature, evoking thoughts not only of the transitory time of the children of Israel in the desert, but of our own quickly-passing earthly lives:

“For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.” (2nd Corinthians. 5:4)

The roof of the sukkah - it’s most important feature - must be covered by “anything that grows from the ground, such as branches, two-by-fours, and bushes” (Kasdan). In the Middle East, the most often used materials are palm branches. It is mandatory that the roof include openings whereby its occupants can observe the stars at night, yet again signifying the temporariness of the structure and its builders.

The following Psalm comes to many a stargazer’s mind as he or she beholds the vast expanse:

"When I observe Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars, which You set in place, what is man that You remember him, the son of man that You look after him?" (Psalm 8:3-4)

Once a family has erected and decorated their sukkah - it is a mitzvah (commandment) for every Jew to participate in the process - on 15 Tishrei, the first holiday meal for the festival is to be enjoyed by the family inside the sukkah.

There are at least three commands given by God in relationship to the Feast: the children of Israel are to
1) dwell in Sukkot (booths), 2) gather the Four Species, and 3) Rejoice.

It is a positive commandment from the Torah [Leviticus 23:40] to gather together the Four Species during Sukkot: "On the first day you shall take the product of hadar trees, branches of palm trees, boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook, and you shall rejoice before Adonai your God seven days."

The 1) Etrog (citron fruit), 2) Lulav (frond of date palm) 3) Hadass (myrtle bough) and 4) Aravah (willow branch) - are the four species the Jewish people are commanded to bind together and wave in the sukkah, the temporary booth constructed for use during the week-long festival of Sukkot, in remembrance of their temporary shelters during the forty years they wandered in the wilderness. It is celebrated as the end of the harvest and agricultural year.

An etrog, or citron, a lemon-like fruit from Israel (“choice fruit”). The etrog, with its sweet taste and pleasant smell, is representative of a “person with knowledge of the Torah and good deeds.”
The lulav, or palm branch (“palm fronds”). The fruit of this branch being sweet, yet without fragrance, is said by rabbis to represent “people [who] have knowledge, but no good deeds.”
The hadas, or myrtle (“thick branches”) has a nice aroma, yet is tasteless, thereby symbolic of the person possessing “good deeds without true knowledge.”
And an arava, or willow (“river-willows”). This last of the four species contains “neither taste nor smell, [representing] the person who lacks both knowledge and deeds.”

(Messianic believers contend that no person but One, the Messiah, could ever be classified as that which the etrog represents. The prophet Isaiah attests to this when he says that even the best of our deeds are but filthy rags before a Holy God (Isaiah 64:6).

The Apostle Paul, too, acknowledged that even with his years of Rabbinical training, prior to His encounter with Yeshua/Jesus, that he was “ignorant” (1st Timothy 1:13). Yeshua/Jesus alone is perfect in Torah knowledge and adherence. The rest of us may attain some level of Torah/Tanakh/Biblical literacy and obedience, but still are found desperately wanting. Without Messiah/Yeshua/Jesus, mankind can only be represented by one of the remaining three "species.")

Once the four species are gathered, prior to outset of the festival, they are bundled together, with the palm branch occupying the central position. Once wrapped together, The components of the lulav (called such because of the palm branch’s central position), mustn’t come apart, as the four species together represent the tetragrammaton, the four Hebrew characters for the Holy Name of the God of Israel.

On each evening of the festival, special blessings are recited over the lulav. The lulav is then “waved in every direction, symbolizing the harvest and God’s omnipresence over His world” (Kasdan), and, at synagogue services, accompanied by chants of the Hallel, or Praise Psalms (i.e. Ps. 113-118), included is this familiar entreaty to God from Psalm 118:26: “Ana Adonai Hoshiana!” (Save us Lord!).

During the 400 "silent years," between the Old and New Testaments, two very important additions were made to observing Sukkot: the “water libation” and “illumination of the Temple” ceremonies, symbolizing the outpouring of the Spirit and the glory of God's presence with men; and both of them declared the deity of Yeshua/Jesus.

Each morning of the Feast of Sukkot began with a water pouring ritual called the “water libation” ceremony. The High Priest led a joyful procession of priests, musicians, and worshippers from the Temple to the Pool of Siloam, filled a golden pitcher with water, and returned to the Temple through the Water Gate, entered the Temple, and poured the water into a basin at the foot of the altar as he prayed.

The water libation ceremony had a twofold purpose. The first purpose of the ceremony was to thank the Lord for the current harvest and to ask Him to provide abundant rain for the crops in the coming year. Israel was an agrarian society for which the autumn and spring rains were a matter of life and death. In addition, the water libation ceremony served as a reminder of God's provision of water for their ancestors in the wilderness.

Second and more importantly, the water libation ceremony was prophetic of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. In Jewish tradition, the waters of Siloam were called the “wells of salvation”, based on Isaiah 12:3. And it is with these waters that the kings of the House of David, from whom the Savior would come, were anointed. Thus, the pouring out of water on the altar was symbolic of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the coming Messianic Age.

Yeshua/Jesus, with the backdrop of the water libation ceremony, declared His Deity, giving a public invitation to accept Him as the source of the living water of salvation in John 7:37-39:
“On the last and greatest day of the festival, Yeshua/Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, 'Let anyone who is thirsty come to Me and drink. Whoever believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.' By this He meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were later to receive. Up to that time, the Spirit had not been given since Yeshua (Jesus) had not yet been glorified.'”

By identifying Himself as the source of living water Yeshua/Jesus revealed Himself as the promised Messiah. This was the first of two profound statements concerning His Deity made during the Feast of Tabernacles.

The second post-Mosaic tradition added to the Feast of Tabernacles celebration was the “illumination of the Temple” ceremony. The Temple was on a hill above the rest of the city, with the light illuminating the night sky all around Jerusalem. This grandiose ceremony involved the lighting of four gigantic golden lampstands (candelabra) within the Women's Courtyard of the Temple. According to the Mishnah (oral traditions of the rabbis), each of the lampstands stood 50 cubits high. A cubit is approximately equal to the length of a forearm, typically about 18 inches long, making each lampstand roughly 75 feet tall — the height of a 7-story building!

Each lampstand had four branches, and at the top of each was a 5-10 gallon bowl for a lamp, a total of 16 large bowls. Young priests-in-training carrying 5-10 gallon pitchers of olive oil climbed ladders to fill the four golden bowls atop each lampstand. Then, using worn out priestly garments as wicks, they set the oil ablaze to remind the people of the pillar of fire that had guided their ancestors in their wilderness journey after their exodus from Egypt.

During the illumination of the Temple ceremony, Jesus would make the claim, “I am the Light of the world. He who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light that gives life.” (John 8:12)
All those in attendance would have understood His statement as an obvious claim to Deity.

In summary, it is also known as the "season of our joy," the Feast was a time of thanksgiving for the current harvest. The people of God are called to celebrate and rejoice with one another during this set-apart time of Sukkot. Ancient Jewish sages are said to have commented, in regard to the celebratory nature of Sukkot: “He who has not seen the rejoicing at Sukkot celebrations has never seen rejoicing in his life” (Sukkah 5:1; quoted by Parsons).

Our focus will be upon Yeshua/Jesus Himself, for there awaits an even greater joy when He fulfills Sukkot in His Second Coming, for He will rule the earth from King David's throne in Jerusalem for 1,000 years, in fulfillment of the promise God made to David, after which there will be a new heaven and earth, and Jesus will forever "dwell among us." "Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever."
(2nd Samuel 7:16)

All believers in Yeshua/Jesus the Messiah, can say “He who has not experienced the joy of salvation in Yeshua has never tasted joy in its fullness!”


Jewish Publication Society - Tanakh
Walking With Yeshua, William L. Nowell
https://israelmyglory.org/article/tabernacles-in-the-millennium/
https://www.bibleversestudy.com/johngospel/john7-feast-of-tabernacles.htm

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

The messianic's have just enough poison in their doctrine to fool some Jews...who are their prize targets.