Christians knew it was coming. They were right (Page 3): I don't know. It is totally baffling. They might not even know, so many just go with the MSM on everything or pay no attention...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Wonttakeitanymore wrote:

That’s why it’s hard for me to understand why any Christian would v**e demonrat! Where’s their discernment?

I don't know. It is totally baffling. They might not even know, so many just go with the MSM on everything or pay no attention at all. Just don't know.

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

Parky60 wrote:

I respectfully disagree. When government laws conflict with God’s Word, we must submit to God’s Word.

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kemmer

Parky60 wrote:

Then 70% of Americans are WRONG!

So you're more into theocracy (evangelical Christian theocracy) than democracy?

kemmer

nwtk2007 wrote:

Does that justify using the IRS as a weapon against them? Your thinking is messed up.

What does that have to do with anything?

kemmer

Parky60 wrote:

. When government laws conflict with God’s Word, we must submit to God’s Word.

So you're a JW then? They don't believe in any form of American government, except the parts that protect them.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

kemmer wrote:

So you're more into theocracy (evangelical Christian theocracy) than democracy?

NWR

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

kemmer wrote:

So you're a JW then? They don't believe in any form of American government, except the parts that protect them.

NWR

jwrevagent

Parky60 wrote:

I respectfully disagree. When government laws conflict with God’s Word, we must submit to God’s Word.

That is true, but in doing so, we must be willing to take the consequences of submitting to the Word rather than government. Persecution, ostr****m, refusal of services may be the price we pay, but God is always to be first in our lives and actions, so submitting to God is exactly the right thing to do. Just know that there may be dire consequnces from the government, and be willing to pay the price. As Jesus said, "Count the cost"-it will not be easy.

ChJoe

kemmer wrote:

What does that have to do with anything?

It is what you are arguing, duh!!

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

jwrevagent wrote:

That is true, but in doing so, we must be willing to take the consequences of submitting to the Word rather than government. Persecution, ostr****m, refusal of services may be the price we pay, but God is always to be first in our lives and actions, so submitting to God is exactly the right thing to do. Just know that there may be dire consequnces from the government, and be willing to pay the price. As Jesus said, "Count the cost"-it will not be easy.

I agree.

kemmer

jwrevagent wrote:

That is true, but in doing so, we must be willing to take the consequences of submitting to the Word rather than government. Persecution, ostr****m, refusal of services may be the price we pay, but God is always to be first in our lives and actions, so submitting to God is exactly the right thing to do. Just know that there may be dire consequnces from the government, and be willing to pay the price. As Jesus said, "Count the cost"-it will not be easy.

And then the moaning and wailing about persecution and religious intolerance starts. 😂

jwrevagent

kemmer wrote:

And then the moaning and wailing about persecution and religious intolerance starts. 😂

Could be, because we were used to being at least "tolerated", if not welcomed in all circles, and the right to practice or not any religion is part of basic rights according to our Constitution. That document is becoming less and less adhered to in the last couple of years. So, yeah, moaning and wailing would be appropriate-mourning the loss of free exercise of religion - I would be surprised if all people would not bemoan that, because if it can be done to Christians, it can be done to all religion, or even no religion at all. I can see the day when the dictator of this country commands that we all worship him/her. Wonder if there is a fiery furnace or lions den waiting for those who refuse. All the moaning and groaning about it should not in any way keep people from obeying God instead of the government.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

woodguru wrote:

The law and constitution taking precedence over the bible...

My laws... the laws of this country, take precedence over your beliefs.

Your laws? Oh, the hubris, the arrogance, the self-conceit.

FYI: Our Constitution is the supreme law of the land, it is not the Supreme Law of the human spirit. There is nothing in our Constitution suggesting it takes precedence over the Bible. In fact, the Bill of Rights includes the right to freely exercise our religion, which is an inalienable right. An inalienable right is one that cannot be given or taken away by any earthly authority, and that includes our Constitution and the government.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

kemmer wrote:

So you're more into theocracy (evangelical Christian theocracy) than democracy?

Neither a theocracy nor a democracy are mentioned anywhere in our founding documents. Neither of them are the American system of government as established.

Our founders abhorred the idea of a democracy, and, although they framed the Constitution around the moral principles of the Christian faith, they certainly made it clear they were not attempting to establish a theocracy.

jwrevagent

Blade_Runner wrote:

Neither a theocracy nor a democracy are mentioned anywhere in our founding documents. Neither of them are the American system of government as established.

Our founders abhorred the idea of a democracy, and, although they framed the Constitution around the moral principles of the Christian faith, they certainly made it clear they were not attempting to establish a theocracy.

Isn't a theocracy a nation ruled directly by God? As the Israelites were till they demanded a king-(Saul) and look at how THAT turned out for them. God had told Samuel to tell the Israelites what would happen if they had a human king-and so He allowed them to be foolish-they wanted to be like other nations, without considering the consequences of that - taxation, impressment into military service, living under a human king with all the human weaknesses of us all-but they insisted, so God said, "OK-you got it!" Look at the books of Samuel and Kings for the history of the Israelites desire for a king.