Jesus said, "Before Abraham was born, I am.": Most apologists and commentators assert that this statement by Jesus is a direct claim to be God. Can this assertion stand the test of...

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

Most apologists and commentators assert that this statement by Jesus is a direct claim to be God. Can this assertion stand the test of close scrutiny? In this article I show why it doesn't.

https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2018/06/17/john-858/

Rose42

troysal wrote:

Most apologists and commentators assert that this statement by Jesus is a direct claim to be God. Can this assertion stand the test of close scrutiny? In this article I show why it doesn't.

https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2018/06/17/john-858/

Correction - you opine why you think it doesn’t.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Rose42 wrote:

Correction - you opine why you think it doesn’t.

He’s not going to give up! LOL! Business must be slow! 😎

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Rose42 wrote:

Correction - you opine why you think it doesn’t.

That's all you got?

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

TexaCan wrote:

He’s not going to give up! LOL! Business must be slow! 😎

One of you folks should prove him wrong and stop his preaching then.

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

Michael Rich wrote:

One of you folks should prove him wrong and stop his preaching then.

Why don't you do it. Go through the points I made in the article, one by one, and show everyone how they are wrong. If you can do it I will go away.

Rose42

Michael Rich wrote:

One of you folks should prove him wrong and stop his preaching then.

He can opine away as can anyone else. There are plenty of resources that show his opinion to be wrong. He’s promoting himself on another site and not doing too well.

At any rate, you can if you are so inclined.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

troysal wrote:

Why don't you do it. Go through the points I made in the article, one by one, and show everyone how they are wrong. If you can do it I will go away.

I know that Jesus is not the Lord of Lords.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Rose42 wrote:

He can opine away as can anyone else. There are plenty of resources that show his opinion to be wrong. He’s promoting himself on another site and not doing too well.

At any rate, you can if you are so inclined.

If I don't find it in the Hebrew Bible, it is suspect to me.

Rose42

Michael Rich wrote:

If I don't find it in the Hebrew Bible, it is suspect to me.

You focus on the Old Testament?

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

Rose42 wrote:

You focus on the Old Testament?

You do realize that the OT was the only scripture that Jesus and the apostles had and they considered it the very word of God. You cannot rightly understand the NT apart from the OT.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Michael Rich wrote:

One of you folks should prove him wrong and stop his preaching then.

He has been proven wrong several times on other threads! He makes the same false claims over and over again by creating another thread against the deity of Jesus Christ and the Trinity! IMO!

It is my opinion that he is doing this for one reason and that is self promotion! It is not against the rules, as I understand it, but is in poor taste to use this forum to advertise his personal blog! However, anyone can participate if they choose to do so.

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

[quote=TexaCan]He has been proven wrong several times on other threads! He makes the same false claims over and over again by creating another thread against the deity of Jesus Christ and the Trinity! IMO!

Do you think it is right before God to lie just because you think the thing you are lying about is harmful. No one on this forum has proven wrong any thing that I have written on my blog, and certainly not you. Once again I have to point out the obvious, that simply asserting that what I say is false and then stating what you believe is the truth is not equal to proving something wrong. To prove me wrong you must take each specific point made in the article and show why it is wrong; can you do that? I seriously doubt it, since if you could you already would have done so.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

[quote=troysal]

TexaCan wrote:

He has been proven wrong several times on other th... (show quote)

So you’ve said before! LOL!

I copied this verse from one of your responses….apparently you thought that it was appropriate to quote when someone had a different opinion than yours! 😎

“I tell you that every idle word that men speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.” Matthew 12:36

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

TexaCan wrote:

So you’ve said before! LOL!

I copied this verse from one of your responses….apparently you thought that it was appropriate to quote when someone had a different opinion than yours! 😎

“I tell you that every idle word that men speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.” Matthew 12:36

I have never, to my recollection, ever quoted that verse on this forum. But the verse is true, so beware!