Rose42

You should take Zemirah’s suggestion Tommy. Start with a basic bible study.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

“Blessed are you when men shall hate you, and when they shall exclude and mock you, and throw out your name as evil, for the Son of Man's sake.” Luke 6:22

Thank you for the little blessing, Rose.

In light of what I just wrote and posted, which you are responding to with open ridicule, your words are much more a reflection on you than me.

“I tell you that every idle word that men speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.” Matthew 12:36



I pray… Dear heavenly Father, please forgive Rose for she knows not what she does! Open her eyes Lord! In Jesus’ name!

Rose42

Your pride and your hypocrisy are your enemies Tommy. You elevate yourself. No one hates you. They disagree with you. There’s a big difference.

Its your choice - and yours alone - to choose to be dishonest.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

So you’re saying you wholeheartedly support Satan’s legal heir presiding over “Christian” Councils (who were in the process of redefining how to understand and speak about God), and then ratifying their decisions, and then killing anyone and everyone who disagrees with them, and I’m an utterly immature and unworthy person to have the gall and arrogance to even dare to bring this to your attention for consideration by your conscience. While your petty little insults attempting to justify blatant idolatry and mass persecution should be esteemed as some kind of mature Christian wisdom.

Got it. I’ll take that under advisement. Thank you so much for enlightening me.

Oh, and thanks for another blessing.

Rose42

Thank you for proving my point that you choose to be dishonest. That is only a blessing in sight of the evil one.

Now I need to thank you for a blessing.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

Rose,

Here, my dear, let me try and explain some things to you. I realize there is a high likelihood you won’t listen, and that you have little respect for anything I may say regarding this topic, but, if nothing else, at least my conscience will be clear before God that I tried to reach you and your conscience (if not your intellect).

There’s an old saying, “consider the source”.

When person A openly states, in a public discussion forum no less, that their belief in God is founded on a particular “confessional statement”, that, (possibly unbeknownst or else initially undisclosed), was literally imposed upon threat of death upon nominal “Christianity” by the legal heir of Satan, Christianity’s greatest foe, (as was done in the original post of this very thread), as shown with evidence by person B, and then along comes person C of that same persuasion (of being rooted in the devil’s imposed confessional statement herself) of person A, and person C, then proceeds, without any evidence, to insult and demean person B for nothing more than the act of disagreeing with person A and having pointed out to person A the devilish root and source of person A’s confession, then person B (me, if you’re following) is simply not fazed, convicted, or bothered (more than merely annoyed), by person C’s vain ranting.

This is why Jesus said,

“43Why don't you understand my speech? Because you can't hear my word. 44You are of your father, the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and doesn't stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks on his own; for he is a liar, and its father. 45But because I tell the truth, you don't believe me. 46Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47He who is of God hears the words of God. For this cause you don't hear, because you are not of God." John 8:43-47

This clearly explains why you don’t understand what I am saying, and this is why your persistent petty little insults don’t “convict” me in the least. Because, in considering the source, I realize that, based on your confessional statement that comes from Satan’s legal heir, you are about the business of your father the devil by perpetuating the lie that was foisted upon Nominal “Christianity” by Satan’s legal heir, of whom you are a follower, as shown by your willing association, and you being an adamant defender of the devil’s imposed confession.

“1But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons, 2speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron” 1 Timothy 4:1-2

Now if adopting a confession of faith that was imposed by Satan’s legal heir, as was identified by Jesus in Revelation 2:13, isn’t being “seduced by spirits and doctrines of demons” pray tell, what is? And for someone who simply refuses to let the ramifications of that sink in, there doesn’t seem to be more appropriate words than to say their “own conscience is seared with a hot iron”, simply meaning, they have thrown their conscience out the window in order to justify themselves in their hearts for following the devil’s teachings.

So you who does these things, go ahead and ridicule me all you want. I’ll just continue to “consider the source” and know that I must be doing something right! And therefore I quote…

“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.” Matthew 5:11

Perhaps this verse and this translation would have been a better one to get the point across I was trying to make previously. Which quote was: “Blessed are you when men shall hate you, and when they shall exclude and mock you, and throw out your name as evil, for the Son of Man's sake.” Luke 6:22 (Notice this doesn’t say, “for the Trinity’s sake”?)

So you keyed in only on the first attribute, “hate”. Do you think that if you claim you don’t “hate” me that justifies your ungrounded insults and false, railing accusations? Do you think you have to display all the listed attributes or the verse doesn’t apply? No, your petty insults and railing accusations are enough, they just may not be at the “relatively” greater level as the others listed. And that is why I refer to them as small and petty. They are like tiny little pebbles at a rock throwing fight compared to real persecution, annoying but nothing more…not even leaving a mark. It is the heart behind them that God will judge.

“31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!” Matthew 23:32 NIV

If you feel you have a case against what I posted, why don’t you do whoever may be reading along a favor, myself included, and demonstrate that you have at least some level of critical thinking skills or scriptural basis, (or at the very least even an acknowledgment of an “understanding” of the specific points that were made), for your accusations beyond merely, “you’re wrong because we’re right and you don’t go along with us.”

That type of groundless, railing accusation, repeated ad nauseum, may make you feel better, or superior, or whatever the case may be (I admit I have absolutely no idea what makes you think they are beneficial, other than encouraging those of your own persuasion I guess), but, quite frankly, it adds absolutely zero to the discussion… which then only reflects upon the level of your understanding of the topic at hand, let alone any “depth” into it’s ramifications and implications.

Now, why don’t you return the favor and explain for me, as I am doing for you, why you think it is wrong (“prideful and hypocritical” to use your words) for me to point out that the confession of faith in the original post was implemented on threat of death by Satan’s legal heir?

If you say, “because I said so”, or it’s ugly little sister, “we’ve already told you”, then I will be reminded, yet again, of the baselessness of your accusations.

“If you can’t answer a man’s arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.” — Elbert Hubbard

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth” 2 Timothy 2:24-25

“7For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way. 8Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming; 9even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn't receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie; 12that they all might be judged who didn't believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12

Rose42

I didn't read past the first few lines Tommy. When I need something explained I ask humble, Godly men who don't elevate themselves above others and are not full of pride when they speak. Men who have a genuine love for others and not a driving need to be 'right' over the truth.

You can fool yourself any way you like. I have seen your dishonesty multiple times. If your conscience is clear that is not of the Holy Spirit but a different spirit.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

By “godly men” you must be referring to the ones who have bought into, and perpetuate the “confession” of Satan’s legal heir, as you have, and do. So again, I’ll just consider the source.

“an echo chamber refers to situations in which beliefs are amplified or reinforced by communication and repetition inside a closed system and insulated from rebuttal.[1] By participating in an echo chamber, people are able to seek out information that reinforces their existing views without encountering opposing views, potentially resulting in an unintended exercise in confirmation bias. Echo chambers may increase social and political polarization and extremism.[2] The term is a metaphor based on an acoustic echo chamber, in which sounds reverberate in a hollow enclosure.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_%28media%29

Just remember Rose, if God can use a donkey to speak to a prophet, he can use a simple man like me as well. It was the religious “experts” of Jesus’ day that were the most resistant to the truth.

Rose42

Again elevating yourself. Your pride is, as always, on display. That only illustrates you have no genuine love for others - a la the Pharisees

Regardless, I’d still like to see you in Heaven.

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

Zemirah,

Just curious, was anything in that post original with you are was it all from the sources listed at the end?

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

[quote=Zemirah]"The Trinity is one God revealed in three coequal coeternal coexistent distinct persons (not people) who share one nature."

"the unitarians read into these passages a meaning of “one person” reinterpreting monotheism to mean unipersonalism, although, there is no passage in the OT or NT, which clearly identifies God as “one person.”

"Unitarians are deeply confused between “being” and “person.” Simply, “being” (an ontological reference) is What something is, while “person” is Who something is. Scripture presents one eternal God (one Being) revealed in three distinct persons, the Father and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Therefore, naturally and historically, the Christian church has steadfastly held to and affirmed the glorious Trinity and preexistence of the person of God the Son, Jesus Christ."

What this post is declaring is that the God of scriptures is not a 'Who' but a 'What'. Yet all throughout scripture God is always referred to with singular masculine pronouns and never neuter pronouns. But from your perspective God is not a person but a thing. This thing called God is made up of three distinct divine persons. If this is true then none of the three persons are the one God, since the one God is not a person. The Father cannot be the one God, the Son cannot be the one God and the Spirit cannot be the one God, since they are all persons but the one God is not. If the one God is the thing that is made up of the three divine persons, then none of the persons is the one God. But is this the picture of God we get from scripture?

You say that three divine persons, i.e. three 'whos', who all share the same 'what' i.e. divine nature, equals one God. This is illogical. If there are three distinct human persons, i.e. three 'whos', who all share the same 'what' i.e. human nature, does that then lead to the conclusion that the three are the same human being. No, of course not - they are three human beings. Trinitarians, while vehemently denying tritheism present a portrait of God that smacks of tritheism. Simply denying that it does does not make the contradiction go away.

"The Trinity is Essential Doctrinal"

"Essential doctrine is any doctrine that involves the person, nature, and finished work of Christ (gospel). Hence, since Jesus is God in the flesh, second person of the Trinity, the nature of God is the utmost highest essential doctrine (Hosea 6:6; John 4:24; 17:3; 1 John 2:22-23)."


"Conclusion: The three distinct persons share the nature or Being of the one true God – only Regenerate will accept (John 8:43, 47; 1 Cor. 1:18)"


"The Three Biblical Truths: 1) There is only one God 2) There are three Persons or Selves that are presented as and called God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and 3) The three divine persons are distinct from each other."

"The three Persons are Distinct from each other: Angel of the Lord; John 1:1b. 17:5; Matthew 28:19; 1 Corinthians 13:14; 1 John 1:3; 2 John 1:3; Revelation 5:13."

"Passages such as Matthew 28:19; 1 Corinthians 13:14; 1 John 1:3; and Revelation 5:13 (and are many others) all distinguish the persons in the Trinity from each other. This is due to their grammatical construction—namely, the repetition of both the article (ho, “the”) and conjunction (kai, “and”)."

Matthew 28:19: “Baptizing them in the name of the [tou] Father, and [kai] the [tou] Son, and [kai] the [tou] Holy Spirit.”

2 Corinthians 13:14: “The grace of the [tou] Lord Jesus Christ and [kai] the love of the [tou] God and [kai] the fellowship of the [tou] Holy Spirit with all of you.”

1 John 1:3: “Indeed our fellowship is with the [tou] Father and [kai] with the [tou] Son of Him Jesus Christ."

It is hilarious that not one of the passages cited in this post actually teaches the doctrine of the Trinity, not one. The doctrine is simply assumed and then read into the passages. Like the mention of the Father, the son, and the holy spirit in the same passage, how does this prove the Trinity? Do you think unitarians do not believe there is a Father, a son and a holy spirit. What you need are passages that explicitly state that these three together form the one God. This you cannot provide because no such passage exists.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

[quote=troysal]

To be honest, most Trinitarians appear to have some bizarre understandings concerning what Unitarian believe...

Straw man arguments are their go to fallacy...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I look forward to the day when we all receive judgement before the throne of God

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

It appears AOCs famous quote applies to Rose as well....

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

“To be honest”………you have no way of knowing what “most” Trinitarians believe about Unitarians! Now do you? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Do you have any idea how many Christians believe in the Trinity? LOL!