Is the angel of the Lord in the OT pre-incarnate appearances of Jesus?
May 25, 2021 18:24:55 #
troysal
Loc: Picayune MS
Many Christian apologists assert that the OT appearances of the 'Angel of the Lord' are actually appearances of God the Son. Is this true or simply a myth?
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/pre-incarnate-appearances-of-the-son-of-god-in-the-ot-truth-or-myth-part-1/
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/pre-incarnate-appearances-of-the-son-of-god-in-the-ot-truth-or-myth-part-1/
May 25, 2021 19:56:24 #
troysal wrote:
Many Christian apologists assert that the OT appearances of the 'Angel of the Lord' are actually appearances of God the Son. Is this true or simply a myth?
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/pre-incarnate-appearances-of-the-son-of-god-in-the-ot-truth-or-myth-part-1/
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/pre-incarnate-appearances-of-the-son-of-god-in-the-ot-truth-or-myth-part-1/
Good read...
The concept of agency was well explained...
As was the grammar... I was unaware that Hebrew was unable to express indefinite articles under those circumstances...
Very important to remember that the source language and the translation may contain grammatical errors between them...
Context is also important
May 25, 2021 21:10:49 #
troysal wrote:
Many Christian apologists assert that the OT appearances of the 'Angel of the Lord' are actually appearances of God the Son. Is this true or simply a myth?
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/pre-incarnate-appearances-of-the-son-of-god-in-the-ot-truth-or-myth-part-1/
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/pre-incarnate-appearances-of-the-son-of-god-in-the-ot-truth-or-myth-part-1/
Interesting!
Mainstream Christianity accepts that the Word of God is the pre-incarnate Jesus, but beyond that I never heard of other Pre-figurements.
Melchizadek, who was as I recall a temple priest at Jerusalem, offered bread and wine as a sacrifice but this is always referred to as a "type " of the Holy Eucharist, the Institution of which lay far in the future.
The OT is full of types, pre-figuring the coming of Jesus. In fact, Catholicism teaches that the purpose of the OT is to set the back story for the coming of the Messiah.
"The Angel of the Lord declared unto Mary, and she Conceived of the Holy Spirit. " Traditionally this Angel is believed to be Archangel Gabriel. I will research this a little. What are the ramifications in this instance of "The Angel of the Lord" being Emmanuel, or, as His Mother named Him, Yeshua?
I will ask Yeshua, Miriam, and my Guardian Angel to help me understand.
Thank you Troysal!
May 25, 2021 21:22:29 #
Roamin' Catholic wrote:
Interesting! br br Mainstream Christianity accep... (show quote)
Could expand on "types"???
I'm unfamiliar with this terminology as it relates to scripture...
An interesting quandary you bring up as well
May 25, 2021 21:29:38 #
I suggest people go to a better source to find out the answer. There are many available.
The agency argument is a common one used by unitarians but is not one that proves their opinion as it doesn’t stand up to the numerous times Jesus is called God. They are also doing what they claim trinitarians do - they are arguing for something that isn’t explained in the bible.
The agency argument is a common one used by unitarians but is not one that proves their opinion as it doesn’t stand up to the numerous times Jesus is called God. They are also doing what they claim trinitarians do - they are arguing for something that isn’t explained in the bible.
May 25, 2021 21:32:30 #
Rose42 wrote:
I suggest people go to a better source to find out the answer. There are many available.
The agency argument is a common one used by unitarians but is not one that proves their opinion as it doesn’t stand up to the numerous times Jesus is called God. They are also doing what they claim trinitarians do - they are arguing for something that isn’t explained in the bible.
The agency argument is a common one used by unitarians but is not one that proves their opinion as it doesn’t stand up to the numerous times Jesus is called God. They are also doing what they claim trinitarians do - they are arguing for something that isn’t explained in the bible.
Actually, the concept of agency is Jewish...
Perhaps you should post one day for those better sources??? For comparison...
May 26, 2021 07:23:14 #
troysal
Loc: Picayune MS
Rose42 wrote:
I suggest people go to a better source to find out the answer. There are many available.
The agency argument is a common one used by unitarians but is not one that proves their opinion as it doesn’t stand up to the numerous times Jesus is called God. They are also doing what they claim trinitarians do - they are arguing for something that isn’t explained in the bible.
The agency argument is a common one used by unitarians but is not one that proves their opinion as it doesn’t stand up to the numerous times Jesus is called God. They are also doing what they claim trinitarians do - they are arguing for something that isn’t explained in the bible.
Agency didn't have to be explained, it is assumed all over the Bible. This is why it is important to take into account the cultural context of scripture.
May 26, 2021 07:27:47 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Actually, the concept of agency is Jewish...
No kidding. However that doesn’t negate what I said.
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Perhaps you should post one day for those better sources??? For comparison...
Perhaps instead of always telling others to give sources you should try doing your own research instead and not be so easily misled.
May 26, 2021 07:32:03 #
troysal wrote:
Agency didn't have to be explained, it is assumed all over the Bible. This is why it is important to take into account the cultural context of scripture.
Uh-huh. Its an argument that fails no matter how you try to spin it. Nor are unitarians unique in saying its important to take into account cultural context.
May 26, 2021 07:38:54 #
Rose42 wrote:
Perhaps instead of always telling others to give sources you should try doing your own research instead and not be so easily misled.
I do my own research... And offer sources when I refute something...
But deflect away...
May 26, 2021 07:40:23 #
Rose42 wrote:
Uh-huh. Its an argument that fails no matter how you try to spin it. Nor are unitarians unique in saying its important to take into account cultural context.
It's an argument that fails in no way...
And I find it amusing that you believe a language should be interpreted by standards and grammar that came into being thousands of years after a passage was written...
That makes sense... Really, it does...
May 26, 2021 07:51:49 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I do my own research... And offer sources when I refute something...
But deflect away...
But deflect away...
No you don’t. Especially when it comes to Christianity. For example, you have no answer to Jesus telling us few will find the way - you reject it. Also you don’t think Paul’s writings are important.
Refusal is not deflection.
May 26, 2021 07:55:14 #
troysal
Loc: Picayune MS
Rose42 wrote:
Uh-huh. Its an argument that fails no matter how you try to spin it. Nor are unitarians unique in saying its important to take into account cultural context.
Instead of simply asserting that it fails why don't you explain and show how it fails. Anyone can assert something but can you show your assertion to be valid?
May 26, 2021 07:55:14 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
It's an argument that fails in no way...
And I find it amusing that you believe a language should be interpreted by standards and grammar that came into being thousands of years after a passage was written...
That makes sense... Really, it does...
And I find it amusing that you believe a language should be interpreted by standards and grammar that came into being thousands of years after a passage was written...
That makes sense... Really, it does...
Yes it fails. The reason you don’t think it does is because you want to believe it.
Don’t put words in my mouth. You always play games when it comes to Christianity. You should ask yourself why you do that
May 26, 2021 08:55:31 #
Rose42 wrote:
No you don’t. Especially when it comes to Christianity. For example, you have no answer to Jesus telling us few will find the way - you reject it. Also you don’t think Paul’s writings are important.
Refusal is not deflection.
Refusal is not deflection.
I've explained my answer to that... Even sent you a PM about it...
But you're right... It does appear that few will find the way... So many are wrapped up in false theology..
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