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Singularity

Michael Rich wrote:

Let's say you are the boss and decide that the Nazi swastika doesn't fit what you represent.

Because of what it represents.

You have an employee who says, "but in my mind I'm using the swastika symbol for peace and love" which person seems confused?..boss or employee?

I hope my analogy makes sense.

Of course.

I think it ultimately boils down to a sense of trust and faith that its all good, a godly quality too subtle, ultimately, for my discernment.

More subtle minds might explain how and why the Will (testament) got rewritten, yet the old one still holds importance.

But Paul's example might suggest that the one of higher discernment might still deny themselves certain freedoms once they are in a teaching role, ie, parent, priest, et cetera, to limit too noxious a confusion in the younger acolyte's mind. Thus the threat of godly visitation of iniquity on future generations part. A consequence, not a punishment.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Singularity wrote:

Of course. br br I think it ultimately boils down... (show quote)

Paul is the most controversial subject in the Greek bible.

2 Timothy 3:15 Paul reminds Timothy of something.

3:15 reads...."and how from infancy you have known the Holy scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.16...All scripture is God breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God May be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

The new Testament wasn't written when Paul says (holy scriptures) to Timothy.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Michael Rich wrote:

Canuck....you're playing games.

""Everyone has seen images of artists conceptions of God.

I've seen images of Jesus and the apostles... Can't really think of too many with God... The Sistine Chapel comes to mind...

Can't think of any that were meant to be worshipped...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Michael Rich wrote:

Paul is the most controversial subject in the Gree... (show quote)

I agree that Paul is controversial...

But at that time there were oral traditions... Scripture is capitalized, which makes me think it was being used to denote teachings rather than written word...

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

Michael Rich wrote:

I can understand your reasoning.

But when and where did idols become acceptable to believers?

From Scripture?

The worship of idols is never acceptable. With all due respect, why do you say idols are acceptable?

Or are you referring to the Old Testament stories of Rachel's family that kept terraphim idols "just in case?"

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

Singularity wrote:

God's "jealous visitation of iniquity" upon "future generations..." for miscreants clause that attends the commandment.

Yes, I had read this in one of your earlier posts but I forgot. Sorry. I have a good memory but it's just so darn short

Rose42

Michael Rich wrote:

Paul is the most controversial subject in the Gree... (show quote)

Paul isn’t controversial to Christians. Not at all.

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

Michael Rich wrote:

Let's say you are the boss and decide that the Nazi swastika doesn't fit what you represent.

Because of what it represents.

You have an employee who says, "but in my mind I'm using the swastika symbol for peace and love" which person seems confused?..boss or employee?

I hope my analogy makes sense.

Working with your analogy, if the employee has to wear a shirt with the company logo but decides to pin a swastika over the logo, because he is more loyal to the Nazi party than he is to the company for which he works, then he is wrong to put on the shirt, cover the logo and go to work. The boss cannot allow this.

The employee is confused, he needs to work with HR.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Roamin' Catholic wrote:

The worship of idols is never acceptable. With all due respect, why do you say idols are acceptable?

Or are you referring to the Old Testament stories of Rachel's family that kept terraphim idols "just in case?"

I don't believe that idols are ever acceptable to any degree at all.

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

Michael Rich wrote:

I appreciate your thoughtful reply.

Now...can anyone show biblical proof to back man's interpretation of why idols aren't evil?

Abraham didn't pay homage to the Creator with his dad's idol collection.

If a person believes that idolatry is not evil, that person is denying Holy Scripture so there is no Biblical ground to support that view.

So no one can show Biblical support for that person's belief.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Roamin' Catholic wrote:

If a person believes that idolatry is not evil, that person is denying Holy Scripture so there is no Biblical ground to support that view.

So no one can show Biblical support for that person's belief.

Agreed.