Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

When did the commandment of no graven images get nullified?

Most Christian denominations have prints, paintings or statues representing a varying version of Jesus's image.

If he is both man and God, how is it now okay to make and adore the image.?

There is no actual genuine images in existence to reference from.

Is the imagined likeness idol worship.

No offense intended to anyone

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

A graven image is one that is actually physically worshipped in place of the One True God. A mere painting, stained glass window or statue of Jesus or God does not qualify as a graven image because it is not physically worshipped. A person should not kneel or prostrate themselves before such a man made work of art.

In this life we should only kneel before Jesus Christ, Truly and Substantially Present in the Most Blessed Sacrament of the Altar.

Until I became Catholic I never knelt before an object of worship. Now I do every Sunday.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Thanks for replying. The commandment says not to "make" any graven images.

Singularity

Interesting. This was discussed earlier last night and I had made this post.

"one is to not reverence them specially (NOT worship the objects)

when you use them as memory aids (memory aids ARE allowed since writing, inscribing was allowed for texts and monuments.)

The warning is one of the Big Ten Commandments and has dreadful consequences for disregarding it.

It seems it may be a caution to recognize those objects would not be sacred, more like private, one would not be likely to share or show them to outsiders nor invite vain reverence or ridicule for them that might cause immature minds or faiths to falter, and move on in search of better gods. Idolatry."

The point being, in the ancient times, the Hebrew's neighbors did WORDHIP the actual idols of stone and wood construction. Finding Hebrew artifacts of worship like statuary (ark of the covenant), altars, vessels and platters for feasts, memory aids and prayers inscribed on scrolls for ceremonies and ingredients and recipes for specific offerings....

Would not have any "magic" for those who do not apprehend the holy mysteries associated with the objects. The pointxof the commandment was the distinction to not make these material objects more than what they are. There was to be no such comparison as, my God is stronger, coz his temple is bigger and his statue is gold.

Like kids trying to figure out quantity, we eventually learn that five is always more than four.

Even if the four is a 50 foot tall gold carving. And the five is just written with crayon on a gum wrapper.

Singularity

Also, trigger warning:
Shoulda put this first, but done is done... I'm not used to Christian proselytizing,... gimme a break!

I told the other thread too..

Don't worry about the jealous visitation of iniquity upon future generations for miscreants clause that follows.

Probably metaphorical!

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

How are you defining a graven image???

The Hebrews had a staff with a snake in it... Obviously that wasn't considered to be a graven image...

Singularity

For the expressed purpose of bowing down and worshipping them. Idols were not to be confused with the actual deity, they are just tools or memory aids that aid one to invoke the ineffable presence of the god.

Wring, inscribing, was obviously kosher, as was statuary like the mercy seat of the Ark of Covenant, and there were specifications for goblets, platters, etc and many old Testament patriarchs set up altars and monuments to commemorate important godly encounters and visitations.

It's a thought crime thingey. Like the coveting?

Singularity

It's a subtle mystery.

But the pronouncement of jealous visitation of Godly iniquity upon future generations clause, JVGIFG for short, implies it is critical to discern the proper parameters of its meaning.

I found this. Got halfway through before giving up, JVGIFG be damned, it's looooong!

But you might find it interesting.

Your countryman, Dr. and Professor Jordan Peterson, has great interest and prolific utterances regarding the "dragon of chaos."
https://www.worldhistory.org/nehushtan/

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

One cannot make money selling invisible stuff, so...................

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Great read... Thanks

Singularity

Happy Sunday.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

I'm letting the Bible define graven images.

The second commandment is a long one and the first paragraph reads: Thou shalt not make unto thee "any" graven image or "any likeness" of "anything" that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth.

My main point is, how does that allow for pictures of Jesus?

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

I believe that sculptures and supposed likenesses of the baby Jesus, Mary are revered as holy by Christians too.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

If a person is inspired from images of a figure who is supposed to be their savior and the picture isn't real (how could it be?) to my thinking, that's idol worship.

Rose42

No, they are simply artwork. Nothing to revere