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May 4, 2021 12:13:43   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Maxim wrote:
You nailed it. Agree 100%



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May 4, 2021 12:24:30   #
Ricktloml
 
proud republican wrote:
Your whole thread is BS!!! Have you not seen what happened last summer!!! ?????? Half of country been destroyed by A****a and B*M thugs....Destroying buildings,setting them on fire, setting police cars and buildings on fire, k*****g police officers,l**ting robbing, its all done by your boys...
And they're still doing it!!! Let's talk about this....




Marxist apologists, (useful i***ts,) don't care about facts, decry individual liberty and free speech, disdain the Constitution, and will be happy to be human fodder for the mill as long as they think their side will get to "punish" those who do value life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. BLN openly admits to being a Marxist organization. Useful i***ts don't care. The violence is a small price to pay for power and control over others. And propaganda is a tool these Marxists have been using for decades. Marxists DEPEND on their useful i***t enablers. I never thought a citizenry that was used to freedom would be so willing to give it up, AND take it from their neighbors.

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May 4, 2021 12:40:13   #
fullspinzoo
 
straightUp wrote:
Regardless of how moderate or radical, the entire left is indeed on the side of working Americans and they have been since the 60's.

There was a very telling moment during Biden's most recent address to Congress, when he said trickle down doesn't work... "It's time to grow the economy from the bottom and the middle, out". That basically means a return to the way we did things in the 40's, 50's and 60's when policies influenced by FDR put money in the hands of American workers to create consumer demand, which leads companies to provide for that demand, which leads to jobs and well, the percolating effect (bubble up) that grows the economy.

Problem is, the plutocrats don't like it. They prefer to get the money first because they know they will get more of it. And they know they can control a supply-side system that works great for them... but not so much for the workers who may or may not see any of it as companies invest their tax savings in foreign labor markets and stock buybacks.

FDR set up demand-side policies and it led to a prosperous middle-class and an honest industry. Reagan switched us over to the supply-side s**m and that led to decades of stagnant wages, outsourcing and a shocking consolidation of wealth in the top 1%. Only an i***t can't see this by now.

Getting back to Biden's address, the camera panned the chamber as Biden suggested a switch back to a system that obviously works better for working Americans. And I watched as ALL the Democrats stood up to applaud and ALL the Republicans sat silently.

The fact that so many conservatives STILL can't read this writing on the wall is a tribute to how effective the right has been in keeping it's citizens blind to the t***h.
Regardless of how moderate or radical, the entire ... (show quote)


Not even close. You don't get a cigar or the part they spit out!

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May 4, 2021 12:46:17   #
Anvil
 
straightUp wrote:
Very few people ever do, but of all those found guilty in courts of law, most of them are either aligned with the hard right or just not political.


In response to this comment: "Problem is we are too busy working and we are not going to go out and destroy our cities, burn, l**t and murder to prove a point."

You replied: "Very few people ever do, but of all those found guilty in courts of law, most of them are either aligned with the hard right or just not political."

Do you have evidence of this? Or is it your opinion?

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May 4, 2021 12:47:56   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Rose42 wrote:
Not quite. The plutocrats also control the left. The big con is that the left cares about people’s welfare.

Yes, the plutocrats also have *some* control over the Democratic agenda. But they also have to contend with a lot more opposition from the Democrats than they ever do from the Republicans, especially when it comes to domestic policy. I'm assuming it's because the Democrats, overall have a higher level of education so they are less prone to being fooled. With Democrats the plutocratic influence is mostly focused on foreign policy.

As for the big con, well that's not entirely true. I'm sure there are Democrats that don't really care but when you look at what Democratic activists are actually doing, I think it's pretty obvious that many of them actually DO care and I think conservatives call it BS simply because they would rather not believe it.

Rose42 wrote:

Plutocrats don’t care about right or left. As long as people stay divided and distracted they will remain in control.

I agree with everything you say here. But I don't think it's a matter of how much plutocrats "care" about the left or the right as much as which side is easier to take advantage of.

It's impossible for me to be objective about this without offending conservatives so let me just say, whether I am wrong or right, my point isn't an effort to offend but to describe what I suspect is the t***h and I'll apologize ahead of time if you find this offensive.

If I want to promote an agenda that would screw the American worker, I would bet on the Republicans for support not the Democrats for several reasons. First of all, the education level is a bit higher among Democrats and that presents a greater risk of opposition. Secondly, the ideology on the right is the result of decades of social programming designed to make people oblivious to what plutocrats are doing while encouraging partisan outrage, which itself has the effect of converting the opposition among Democrats into a surge of support among Republicans.

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May 4, 2021 12:53:36   #
Anvil
 
straightUp wrote:
First of all, the education level is a bit higher among Democrats


And you equate education level with intelligence and common sense?

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May 4, 2021 12:56:04   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Anvil wrote:
In response to this comment: "Problem is we are too busy working and we are not going to go out and destroy our cities, burn, l**t and murder to prove a point."

You replied: "Very few people ever do, but of all those found guilty in courts of law, most of them are either aligned with the hard right or just not political."

Do you have evidence of this? Or is it your opinion?


It's my opinion based on evidence that I've seen. I'll give you one example...

A 2017 report by The Nation Institute and Center for Investigative Reporting looked at the terrorist incidents in the US between 2008 and 2016. It found:

115 Far right inspired terror incidents. 35% of these were foiled (meaning no attack happened) and 29% resulted in fatalities. These terror incidents caused 79 deaths.

63 Islamist inspired terror incidents. 76% of these were foiled (meaning no attack happened) and 13% resulted in fatalities. These terror incidents caused 90 deaths.

19 incidents inspired by left-wing ideologies (and eco-terrorism). 20% of these were foiled (meaning no attack happened) and 10% resulted in fatalities. These terror incidents caused 7 deaths.

There are other sources, such as the FBI but the findings are pretty much the same for all of them.

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May 4, 2021 13:00:00   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Anvil wrote:
And you equate education level with intelligence and common sense?

No, I equate education level with an understanding of how the economy actually works, which has nothing to do with common sense. lol

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May 4, 2021 13:01:34   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Not even close. You don't get a cigar or the part they spit out!

Oh, okay - well thanks for your baseless opinion. LOL

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May 4, 2021 13:03:47   #
Anvil
 
straightUp wrote:
It's my opinion based on evidence that I've seen. I'll give you one example...

A 2017 report by The Nation Institute and Center for Investigative Reporting looked at the terrorist incidents in the US between 2008 and 2016. It found:

115 Far right inspired terror incidents. 35% of these were foiled (meaning no attack happened) and 29% resulted in fatalities. These terror incidents caused 79 deaths.

63 Islamist inspired terror incidents. 76% of these were foiled (meaning no attack happened) and 13% resulted in fatalities. These terror incidents caused 90 deaths.

19 incidents inspired by left-wing ideologies (and eco-terrorism). 20% of these were foiled (meaning no attack happened) and 10% resulted in fatalities. These terror incidents caused 7 deaths.

There are other sources, such as the FBI but the findings are pretty much the same for all of them.
It's my opinion based on evidence that I've seen. ... (show quote)


Thank you

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May 4, 2021 13:05:19   #
Anvil
 
straightUp wrote:
No, I equate education level with an understanding of how the economy actually works.


Your opinion noted. Of course, there is no factual basis for your opinion - but this is America and you are free to believe as you wish.

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May 4, 2021 14:11:20   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Anvil wrote:
Your opinion noted. Of course, there is no factual basis for your opinion - but this is America and you are free to believe as you wish.

Well, I don't know what you qualify as a factual basis, but there *is* published research on the relative education levels between parties...

According to a 2018 Pew Research Center poll, Democrats are now the party of college graduates, especially those with post-graduate work. Meanwhile, people with a high-school degree or less slightly lean toward Republicans.

According to Pew, 54 percent of college graduates either identified as Democrats or leaned Democratic, compared to 39 percent who identified or leaned Republican.

I don't know if this will make you feel any better but 25 years ago, those numbers were perfectly reversed in the Pew survey, with the GOP holding a 54-39 advantage among people with college degrees.

According to my observations that change coincides with the changes in the GOP itself as the party moved away from what I considered to be a reasonable conservative base and toward what I would call a f*****t-leaning conservative base.

It's possible that the same factors that brought college grads to the Republican party in 1996 is bringing college grads to the Democratic party in 2021.

Things change.

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May 4, 2021 14:15:17   #
Anvil
 
straightUp wrote:
Well, I don't know what you qualify as a factual basis, but there *is* published research on the relative education levels between parties...

According to a 2018 Pew Research Center poll, Democrats are now the party of college graduates, especially those with post-graduate work. Meanwhile, people with a high-school degree or less slightly lean toward Republicans.

According to Pew, 54 percent of college graduates either identified as Democrats or leaned Democratic, compared to 39 percent who identified or leaned Republican.

I don't know if this will make you feel any better but 25 years ago, those numbers were perfectly reversed in the Pew survey, with the GOP holding a 54-39 advantage among people with college degrees.

According to my observations that change coincides with the changes in the GOP itself as the party moved away from what I considered to be a reasonable conservative base and toward what I would call a f*****t-leaning conservative base.

It's possible that the same factors that brought college grads to the Republican party in 1996 is bringing college grads to the Democratic party in 2021.

Things change.
Well, I don't know what you qualify as a factual b... (show quote)


Thank you

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May 4, 2021 15:56:03   #
AmericanEagle Loc: Indiana
 
The Plutocrat you are referring to is George Soros

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May 4, 2021 16:42:02   #
AmericanEagle Loc: Indiana
 
I can’t stop laughing at hard-working Democrats in California😂 California is not shining shining example since it has been ran by liberals most play forever it seems. You say we are living in a democracy well not since the e******n. Biden is setting the world record for executive orders and that’s the only way he can to his agenda through. Yes all p**********l use them but not in such a quick destructive fashion as Biden has. I will refer you to the lifeblood of America in the keystone pipeline. It made us energy independent and provided thousands of high-paying jobs.So I guess you would rather be dependent upon a foreign nations but doing exactly like us and make them rich instead of America? Brilliant thinking! You are right about one thing we were never satisfy everybody but at least the last four years America was coming back and everybody had a fair chance to prosper and good paying jobs were plentiful.
Look at the map of the United States in the percentage of read that v**e for the president compared to the areas of blue. The majority of the land mass is occupied by Republicans. The areas of blue or ran and led by Democrats and we are all in the red and have the highest rates of crime. Not exactly Americas best by any stretch. I have said social media Will be part of the downfall of America if it continues along with the liberal news media pushing their agenda and looney liberal logic thinking tearing the country apart with their r****m and failed policies. Pretty sad we have a president that is a feckless weakling with dementia and a vice president rose up through the ranks by spreading her legs for Willie Brown. She sure didn’t help out the black community in California either did she!Really something to be proud of there.

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