Avant8914

First of all, you don’t know me at all. You have made quite a few judgment calls with no information on who I am personally. You attack personally but that is a common fighting strategy of the left. I don’t try to “garner” anything. This is just a place to share thoughts and opinions. I’m happy to have a conversation.

Hyper-partisan? No, I am not. I believe the politicalization of everything has caused a lot of the division. I would like to think that the same things that sound crazy to me would sound crazy to you as well. The direction this country is heading isn’t going to be good for any of us.

I don’t think I attached “all” blame to any group and it would be extremely shortsighted to do so. However, you feel that most of the rudeness comes from the right. So you apparently do feel knowledgeable enough to make such a statement but since my statement disagrees with yours, I’m the one mistaken. Okay, I’m okay with you disagreeing with me on this. I think you need to do some research but I’m okay with it.

I don’t think I applied the “l*****t issues” title to anything but I will address it since you think I did. I don’t see it as left or right issues. We have American issues that involve us all and the world being created is one we will all have to live in and I will admit, I don’t want to live in the socialist, freedom robbing world the left is trying so hard to usher in. I don’t want the government taking care of me and my family. Those who provide the funds also have the power over your life.

How do we live in a world with no he or she? Do you want to live in a world where you call your mother the birth parent? Can you really decide to be the opposite sex and viola you are the opposite sex? That is l*****t ideology. There is no way to cater to everyone. Taking care of the running of the country is what our government should be doing not virtue signaling to every whim of nonsense that can be thought up. I think everyone should have some valid concerns.

Your entire ending paragraph is untrue but obviously heartfelt. I don’t have the energy it would take to do all you accuse me of in that section. I just want to be able to have a sane, adult conversation with facts to back things up and see if the left and the right are as far apart as it seems. I hope not! I hope that they want everyone to have the same rights to freedom and their own pursuit of what fulfills them in life. I don’t want to make them do anything or force my personal opinion as a fact they have to live by. I don’t want to be forced to accept their viewpoint in my life if it goes against my beliefs. We used to be able to live that way once. We could live side by side and it wasn’t that big a deal that you like this and I like that. I just want to hang out and leave politics at the gate.

SSDD

Untrue, you have made yourself an open book. A book chock full of hatred for liberals, love of conservatives, blindness towards the faults of one's own ideology with a keen eye for the faults of any with a conflicting ideology, a preference for f**e news and an aversion to anything factual. If you truly did the research you wish others would do, you would find that much of the RW media is the ones spewing f**e news. Are there f**e news sites on both sides of the aisle? Yes, does "liberally biased" MSM spew f**e news? On occasion they will flub an article/story, but when they do, they tend to be quick with a retraction, not typically on page one or at the top of the show but a retraction all the same. Are there LEGITIMATE RW news sources? Yes, but sadly they are few and far between, one such RW news source that IS honest is The Hill. The Hill may heavily lean conservative, but they do a decent job in reporting the facts with an honest attempt to limit their use of loaded wording.

How about Fox News and OAN, surely they must be legitimate, right? WRONG, they are well known for delivering f**e news, propaganda, conspiracy theories and lies. A recent "faux pas" has even landed them in court due to their severe reluctance to refrain from spreading fallacies as well as their severe reluctance to admit to that they were in fact lying to their audience. Do you recall all those f**e news stories making horrendous, untrue claims regarding D******n V****g Systems? The roosters have come home to roost, Fox News, OAN and Newsmax are all being sued by D******n and Smartmatic, https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20430998/12-16-20-d******n-demand-letter-to-sidney-powell.pdf (the cease and desist letter to Sydney Powell), https://www.smartmatic.com/us/media/article/smartmatic-demands-justice-for-defamation/ (announcement on Smartmatic's web site regarding the legal issue), https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/03/26/after-lawsuit-against-fox-news-heres-who-d******n-has-sued-so-far-and-who-could-be-next/?sh=6fcc490fa1ab (D******n sues Fox News, Forbes article), https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/24/d******n-v****g-ceo-wont-rule-out-suing-trump-over-e******n-f***d-conspiracy-theory/?sh=5abd35d46485 (Another Forbes article covering the ongoing "saga" over the false claims of Trump and his allies), https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/02/05/who-d******n-v****g-smartmatic-could-sue-next-defamation-lawsuits-fox-news-sidney-powell-giuliani/?sh=ea0f7061a7da (yet another Forbes article concerning the issues), that should be enough, but if you insist on more, there is PLENTY to show you just on the lies RW media told concerning D******n V****g Systems and Smartmatic alone, add in other lies told by RW media... Sorry, not looking to cripple myself with carpal tunnel syndrome, I won't be elucidating on ALL of their lies, though I might point out a reasonable number of their other lies.

It would seem that you are terribly disinformed, and yes, disinformed IS the correct wording, those lies they told you WERE NOT unintentional, they were quite deliberate, that is the difference between misinformation and disinformation, intent. Have you ever done ANY research? If you just did a modicum of research, just a little bit even, you would see that the MSM that you call f**e news, they fail the fewest fact checks, they print/announce retractions freely and promptly in most cases and tend to be trusted and trustworthy sources of news, at least the MSM sources I favor at any rate, Fox News, OAN, Newsmax among oh so many other RW media sources, yeah, not so much...



https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/




https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/one-america-news-network/




https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsmax/


So... Still think your RW "cage liner" is the "best source of t***h"? I could have gone on longer on just showing you how untrustworthy your preferred sources for news really are but why? Trumplicans aren't exactly known to accept and acknowledge facts, reality or t***h. In fact, they are ACTUALLY known as deniers of facts, reality and t***h...




Now, as for, "Your entire ending paragraph is untrue but obviously heartfelt"...


"I’m new but I’ve read several posts and the only ones that are rudely uncalled for so far are from those with a little more left leaning viewpoints."


So... Am I to assume that you didn't read page one of this thread? How did you miss the quote below?



https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-213652-1.html#3690637

Page 2?



https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-213652-2.html#3691153




www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-213652-2.html#3691276





https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-213652-3.html#3691282


I limited the number I decided to show per poster to two examples but that didn't save me from the character limit. I saw that my next example from another poster exceeded the character limit or I would have continued to showcase your... We shall call it hypocrisy... To be nice...

Avant8914

I wish you only the best! I truly do! Wow! So much anger and energy. You must be a real life changer. I pray for our country and hope for a better future for us all. I appreciate the opportunity to talk over the issues that mean the most to all of us I'm sure. Good luck and I mean that!

SSDD

What anger? Just because I point out the fallacies, that does NOT mean that I am angry. No, if anything, I MAY be desperately fighting against resignation, as my chosen nom de geurre suggests, Same Scheisse, Different Day, but I don't think I would say that I am angry really.

Do some research, fact check those failed fact checks, research "liberally biased" MSM, do fact checks on those sources. I know that I have. I found that when you dig in deep, you find that much of the RW media sources don't "pass the muster" whereas this so called "liberally biased" MSM, they typically DO present the facts and IF you are careful which sources you choose to favor, they do so with minimal "loaded wording".

You try to talk a great game about looking at both sides of the coin. Live up to what you claim to. Put aside partisanship, do the research, dig until you find the t***h of the matter. The best source of the "t***h" typically tends to be "the horse's mouth", even if that horse is a liar. Yes, a lot of media sources "make their bank" lying to their consumers. Often times they "pass the buck" by linking to other media outlets instead of linking to the primary source of the information. Dig deeper, do not take any media source or the media sources they source from's word for anything, dig back to the primary source wherever possible, even if that primary source is lying, at least then you will see, IF you do this research honestly and with an open mind and a thirst for the ACTUAL t***h, you will find that the "liberally biased" media sources tend to present facts very similar to what the primary source of the information put out, much of RW media... Not so much... Of course that also means that IF the primary source is lying, so is any source reporting on what that primary source is claiming will be lying too, but in an honest way, with journalistic integrity, and then, if they choose to do so, they tear apart the fallacies, as they should. Please, I implore you, restore my faith in conservatives, do an honest deep dive and let me know what you find.

Avant8914

I am sorry that you obviously feel the entire fault lies with half the country. We are being pitted against each other and I won’t defend it. I can however, offer a word of advice. If you want a conservative to take you seriously, don’t come at them like rabid dogs and expect them to be willing to listen. You have attacked me from the beginning. I was merely suggesting maybe we could speak to each other with a little more respect and made a few personal observations I really wish I had refrained from because setting off a tyrant in another is never my intention. I think you have every right to believe however and whoever you wish and for now, I also have that right. I say we leave it at that with no hard feelings.

SSDD

How so? Trumplicans do not account for 50% of American citizenry. They do not even make up the entirety of the republican party much less the conservative ideology. You make far too many far fetched assumptions.

As for, "I can however, offer a word of advice. If you want a conservative to take you seriously, don’t come at them like rabid dogs and expect them to be willing to listen.", first off, I need not any advice you have to offer, if you want people to crave your advice, show some sort of sign of intelligence and a firm grasp on reality, you show neither with your "RW media tells the t***h, LW media lies" mentality. If you were to do proper research, you will see the error of your ways. You talk as though the ONLY way to be truly well informed is to trust RW media, I say put them BOTH to the test, do a deep dive, take the "facts" all the way to the source of these "facts" and see what media sources come the closest to "laying it out like it is". I am quite certain IF you were to do that, which you make it fairly obvious that you won't, but if you did, you would be quite surprised at what you find.

Secondly, I did NOT "come at you as a rapid dog" (paraphrased), I actually approached as kindly as I can approach someone telling so many fallacies. I have an affinity for the t***h and an aversion to those spreading lies, I have always been that way. Regardless, I have, from the start been quite respectful, would you prefer that to change? Be certain of that which you choose, I have been told I can be quite the AH...

If you want me to be MORE respectful towards you, there is one thing I will need from you, no more fallacies. No break from the lies, no additional respect from me, that IS the way it WILL be, no exceptions. One does not need to tell unt***hs, if the t***h isn't favorable to your agenda, change your agenda or "lie by omission", somethings are better left unsaid, if saying them requires lying, that would be an example.

As for, "... setting off a tyrant in another is never my intention", You haven't seen tyrannical, you do not want to see tyrannical, not if I have offended you already at this point at any rate...


Again, if you wish to be treated even MORE respectfully than I have to this point, just make absolute certain that you present the facts AS THEY ARE, not as you WISH them to be, you speak from reality, not fantasy and stick to the t***h, the whole t***h and nothing but the t***h with me. No more RW propaganda and/or conspiracy theories, unless the theory proves out correct and by legitimate sources, not just RW sources declaring it to be proven, unless those RW sources are one of the LEGITIMATE RW sources with some level of journalistic integrity. Basically, if you are honest with me, I will be respectful with you, dishonesty goes the other way... When in doubt, leave it out.





Edit: Additionally, The LW has it's "rude" people here on OPP as well and the LW also has it's fair share of "alt" media sources too. Just the majority of the "l*****ts" here on OPP seem to be fairly well grounded in reality, many on the right are well grounded in reality as well, but not nearly enough of them... "Enough" to me would be somewhere above 80%, above 90% would be even better.

eden

Too funny 😁

Ricktloml

And they skipped the animal trials, why? They didn't need them. Because for the last 20 years big-pharma has been trying to develop a c***d v*****e, and every time they get to the animal trials...all the animals died. So they could never pass the safety tests. But with emergency use, they don't have to. And they sure didn't want to have to explain why the same thing happened this time.

Ricktloml

The authorization document you sign to get injected also states that you understand the injection does not prevent you from contracting the v***s, or passing it along.

Avant8914

Avant8914

I have found myself the target of just such a person. I have very politely tried to end the conversation. Wishing them only the best and making it clear that I believe in the freedom to believe whoever and wh**ever we want. It’s a right we all have. I simply tried to leave them less angry at me but it only fueled worse. A lot of nonsensical ranting about my being a liar and worse so I decided to just stop responding. I did notice my posts had enough impact on this person that they are sharing my “lies” to others on this thread. I would ask that you read them in their entirety although you can probably tell by the excerpts of mine chosen and their foaming at the mouth response, that the only common ground people like this see is the forced conformity of those they disagree with.

Avant8914

I don’t think I could ever maneuver around your ego far enough to have an intelligent conversation. You are more interested in nailing me to the wall without any idea of what you’re talking about. Every single thing you have accused me of, you have just done yourself. Perhaps a deep dive into your own heart would be a better use of your time because you just proved my point. No concessions or respect. If I don’t see it your way then I’m automatically the one who is at fault. As I said before, shortsighted, is how I would describe the diatribe I’ve been subjected to. The sheer condescension in every line of your messages shows me why the gap is so wide. I will once again wish you the best of luck in all your endeavors. I would like to think if we ever had a chance to just hang out, we would find some common ground. Take care!

Ricktloml

Nonsense. There is no comparison. THOSE v*****es went through YEARS of trials BEFORE they were offered to the public. No such thing with these new, experimental m**A ones.

SSDD

You know what? You are not the first to have accused me of having some sort of "inflated ego"... I believe that is due to the fact that one can not see another's facial expressions, hear vocal inflections or read body language in text based communications. In reality, I really do not have any real "inflated ego" for anyone to contend with. I may be harsh, I may be set in my ways, I may not sugar coat things as much as some would like, but I am by no means ego maniacal by any stretch of the imagination, it is only a perception that some have due to the limited cues we can perceive on text based communications, perhaps if this site had audio capabilities and/or video capabilities, people would be able to see what I am REALLY like... Of course that wouldn't likely make me any more likable to some perhaps, but at least it would do away with some misconceptions that some develop by no fault of their own. I DO understand how these misconceptions can manifest and it isn't anybody's fault really, since we can't take visual and audible cues in conversations like we can face to face.

That said, it is your choice whether you wish to engage in in-depth conversations with me or not. I will not force you nor could I. But I will tell you this, IF we were to engage respectfully, which would require the willingness to engage honestly, stick to reality (no conspiracy theories that haven't been fully confirmed to be true) and keeping things fact based, I would perhaps enjoy having in-depth discussions with you. That really isn't too much to ask and I am likely to consider flexibility on some of those requirements if/when we get to know each other better, provided we reach a point of amicability and we can discuss such things without hostility and/or unreasonable expectations.

The choice is your's.

Avant8914

I appreciate that observation and have made it myself many times when texting back and forth with my kids. I don’t lie and don’t appreciate being called a liar by someone who doesn’t know me at all. I could sit here and describe the hours and days worth of research and activism I’ve put in during my lifetime but it’s only words to you. I have no intention of defending myself from the rhetoric of someone who is not vested in my life or my heart. I don’t watch TV at all so I’m not sure how my mentioning a few RW news media outlets that I never said I watch and readily admitted caters to the right a bit just like LW caters to the left a bit turned into me becoming the biggest lying, fantasy dwelling reprobate on the planet but it did and you’ve practically written a book raking me over the coals with it as well as offering to get really tyrannical which I assume only meant in your texting.

To tell the t***h, I’m too busy trying to keep up with what our government is up to to waste time listening to all the media that just can’t keep from adding their own biased opinions as fact. I really am interested in the viewpoint you have but I don’t feel we can get anywhere with minds already made up and an intolerance for the other side that borders on phobia. I had some real questions that I asked you but you were so angry with me that you never even addressed them. In fact, I’ve been a bit confused by just how upset you seemed to be at me. I’ve read and re-read my responses and can’t find most of the triggers that set you off other than the part about the rudeness being on both sides. I thought I explained myself. I admit that although I do feel the left is highly emotional and hard to have a conversation with, the right can be a bit hardheaded. I just want to get along with people from all sides of life without having beliefs that are not my own shoved down my throat and the throats of my children. I could never tolerate a lot of the left’s beliefs in my own life but I can appreciate that everyone should have the right to what they want as part of their own as long as it doesn’t infringe on those same rights others have. I don’t need you to believe just like me to be able to share our world together. It used to work just fine. Don’t you wonder what happened?

My son is gay and that causes some parents to ostracize their child. I’m a Christian so you can imagine how it hit me but I believe he has the right to live his life according to his own beliefs. I would never condemn him because I have my own sins to answer for one day. I don’t have to agree with you to care about you. My fears are for us all regardless of who did what or how so and so believes. You are a person deserving of happiness and freedom and I hope we will always have the right to pursue it on our own path. I believe we would get along just fine. I have opinions and make observations but when discussing the messiness of human feelings I try very hard not to judge outright. I’ve had a lot of difficulties in my life and it has taught me that life can shape a person in a way you might not agree with but we all survive the best way we can and no one has a right to say, “you didn’t survive right.” I believe escaping victim hood is paramount to real freedom so I spent my life refusing to be one and helping others to do the same. I hope we’ve reached a middle ground that we can move forward from. I will never scoff at someone with real questions and a real desire to make a difference but I don’t assume to know you well enough to take you to task for something I have no clue about. There are far to many nuances to the human heart and mind to believe I could ever know who you really are or what you are really like after only a few emotionally heightened texts. I will use words like I think, I believe but I try to make it obvious that it’s my personal opinion or just my interpretation of what I’m hearing, reading or seeing.

Thank you for clarifying the tone of the texts. I wish you the best of days and I hope maybe we can start again. I think any two people can start a bridge. It might as well be us since we’ve already hit each other’s thumbs with the hammer.