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Mar 5, 2021 20:31:10   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
Trump and his followers had nothing to do with the r**t.

Son, have you caught the news today A lower level Trump administrative official of some kind was indicted or charged (not sure) with his clear participation in said r**t. He was caught on video.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-arrests-trump-appointee-federico-klein-in-connection-with-capitol-r**t/ar-BB1egr5r?ocid=msedgdhp

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Mar 5, 2021 20:58:33   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
Son, have you caught the news today A lower level Trump administrative official of some kind was indicted or charged (not sure) with his clear participation in said r**t. He was caught on video.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-arrests-trump-appointee-federico-klein-in-connection-with-capitol-r**t/ar-BB1egr5r?ocid=msedgdhp


That is on him. Individuals are responsible for what they do. I am a hard core Trump Supporter. Are you tying me in with the r**t ? I was not within 2 hundred miles of the capitol.

Donald J. Trump had nothing to do with the r**t, neither did his Administration.

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Mar 5, 2021 21:04:13   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
That is on him. Individuals are responsible for what they do. I am a hard core Trump Supporter. Are you tying me in with the r**t ? I was not within 2 hundred miles of the capitol.

Donald J. Trump had nothing to do with the r**t, neither did his Administration.

Well, the following were your words: "Trump and his followers had nothing to do with the r**t."

"Klein is the first known member of the Trump administration to face criminal charges in connection with the storming of the Capitol building by a pro-Trump mob on J*** 6." - from above link.

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Mar 5, 2021 21:04:52   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
slatten49 wrote:
obviate - VERB; obviated (past tense) · obviated (past participle) - remove (a need or difficulty). example: "the Venetian blinds obviated the need for curtains" synonyms: preclude · prevent · remove · get rid of · do away with · get round · rule out · eliminate · make unnecessary · take away · foreclose · avoid · avert · counter

My take on Gerson's words

Clearly, "Through the explicit practice of White-identity politics, Trump has obviated (or eliminated) the need for code words and dog whistles. Thus his strongest supporters during the J*** 6 r**t felt free to carry Confederate battle f**gs and wear “Camp Auschwitz” sweatshirts without fear of reproof from their political allies. Many in the crowd surely didn’t consider themselves r****ts, but they were perfectly willing to make common cause with r****ts. In social effect, it is a distinction without a difference."

However, I did/do not assume all J*** 6th D.C. r****rs to have been Christians or even republicans.
obviate - VERB; obviated (past tense) · obviated (... (show quote)



I am a strong Trump supporter and would never wear a Camp Auschwitz anything. I do support the right of secession.

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Mar 5, 2021 21:31:28   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
Well, the following were your words: "Trump and his followers had nothing to do with the r**t."

"Klein is the first known member of the Trump administration to face criminal charges in connection with the storming of the Capitol building by a pro-Trump mob on J*** 6." - from above link.


"Trump and his followers had nothing to do with the r**t." is still true.

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Mar 5, 2021 22:09:53   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
"Trump and his followers had nothing to do with the r**t." is still true.

Sayin' it's true doesn't make it true, but instead appears purposely obtuse.

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Mar 6, 2021 10:47:39   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
Sayin' it's true doesn't make it true, but instead appears purposely obtuse.


If Donald J. Trump did not approve of the r**t, had no knowledge beforehand it would happen, and did not defend or aid the r****rs afterward then what I posted is not " obtuse. " It is true in all aspects. Now if you would care to present any evidence to refute my most t***hful words, I am open to eating them with a hearty appetite.

Nobody on OPP has yet forced me to feast on what I say. If anyone on OPP might do it, my money is on you.

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Mar 6, 2021 11:16:25   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
If Donald J. Trump did not approve of the r**t, had no knowledge beforehand it would happen, and did not defend or aid the r****rs afterward then what I posted is not " obtuse. " It is true in all aspects. Now if you would care to present any evidence to refute my most t***hful words, I am open to eating them with a hearty appetite.

Nobody on OPP has yet forced me to feast on what I say. If anyone on OPP might do it, my money is on you.
If Donald J. Trump did not approve of the r**t, ha... (show quote)

Thou doth often protest hastily and too much.

Having joined OPP about the same time as you, I will simply state having noticed over the years that you could've easily feasted on at least a few of the less than tasty refutations of your posts. However, like many who refuse to eat/take in what they don't like...thus, neither would you accept evidence that was both accurately & tastefully put before you.

Overall, IMO, you are an excellent contributor to this forum. However, like so many of us, sometimes "It's time to stop trying to outsmart the the t***h and let it have its day."

BTW, just a quick link for your reading enjoyment...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/all-the-trump-officials-who-have-resigned-after-the-dc-protest-at-the-capitol

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Mar 6, 2021 13:49:55   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
slatten49 wrote:
Sayin' it's true doesn't make it true, but instead appears purposely obtuse.



There were some Trump supporters among those r****rs but I don't think anyone who looks at Trump's speech and the timeline could say he encouraged it. And if anyone does, he also has to say the K. Harris, Schumer, Pelosi, Maxine Waters, etc. encourage the B*M & A****a r**ts and homicides.

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Mar 6, 2021 16:05:19   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
Thou doth often protest hastily and too much.

Having joined OPP about the same time as you, I will simply state having noticed over the years that you could've easily feasted on at least a few of the less than tasty refutations of your posts. However, like many who refuse to eat/take in what they don't like...thus, neither would you accept evidence that was both accurately & tastefully put before you.

Overall, IMO, you are an excellent contributor to this forum. However, like so many of us, sometimes "It's time to stop trying to outsmart the the t***h and let it have its day."

BTW, just a quick link for your reading enjoyment...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/all-the-trump-officials-who-have-resigned-after-the-dc-protest-at-the-capitol
Thou doth often protest hastily and too much. b... (show quote)


So basically you got nothing as far as evidence that Donald J. Trump knew beforehand about the Capitol R**t, organized it, approved it, or helped defend the perpetrators afterward ? That is the crux of this whole issue.

I realize that to Trump hating Liberals, Trump hating Rinos, and Trump hating wh**evers that the Capitol R**t was a gift from the political spirits on high, and to not exploit it 110 % is against their very nature, so I harbor no ill will towards those who are only following the instincts they were given when they became politically aware.

As far as the Trump officials who resigned, I have no way of knowing their inner perceptions. They are political animals who ended up on the wrong side of an e******n and don't know where their next meal is coming from. Groveling to the incoming victors is not an unheard of strategy. It certainly has no downside in the short term.

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Mar 6, 2021 16:19:10   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Your are a broken record that only plays one song that is no longer worth listening to.



I take exception to that. I disagree with Slatten, a lot, and he does seem to have moved to the left recently, but I always find his posts worth the time to read. I wouldn't hesitate to have a jawbone session with him over a couple of tall cool ones.

Maybe even three but no way would it be four. Not because of him but because four would sour my stomach too much. Sorry Slatten, even you couldn't get me to do four. Now maybe when I was 18...

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Mar 7, 2021 23:52:38   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
So basically you got nothing as far as evidence that Donald J. Trump knew beforehand about the Capitol R**t, organized it, approved it, or helped defend the perpetrators afterward ? That is the crux of this whole issue.

I realize that to Trump hating Liberals, Trump hating Rinos, and Trump hating wh**evers that the Capitol R**t was a gift from the political spirits on high, and to not exploit it 110 % is against their very nature, so I harbor no ill will towards those who are only following the instincts they were given when they became politically aware.

As far as the Trump officials who resigned, I have no way of knowing their inner perceptions. They are political animals who ended up on the wrong side of an e******n and don't know where their next meal is coming from. Groveling to the incoming victors is not an unheard of strategy. It certainly has no downside in the short term.
So basically you got nothing as far as evidence th... (show quote)

The evidence was clearly there in the capital r**t impeachment hearing. IMO, in spite of that, Trump survived the charges due to the simple political reality that, without holding a 2/3rds majority in the Senate, neither party will likely convict a sitting president....at least not in the foreseeable future. With each, it is party over country.

And, as stated previously on another thread, citizens can fall back on purposeful obtuseness and the defense of 'plausible deniability'. In legal concept, plausible deniability applies when one is lacking incontrovertible proof or evidence of an allegation even though it may very well be true. However, in America, the law is there to protect the guilty as well as the innocent. The good news Regarding the numerous legal problems facing Trump now that he is free of executive privilege...time will tell.

"There are few things more singular than the blindness which, in matters of the highest importance to ourselves, often hides the t***h that is plain as noon to other eyes."

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Mar 8, 2021 00:04:48   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I take exception to that. I disagree with Slatten, a lot, and he does seem to have moved to the left recently, but I always find his posts worth the time to read. I wouldn't hesitate to have a jawbone session with him over a couple of tall cool ones.

Maybe even three but no way would it be four. Not because of him but because four would sour my stomach too much. Sorry Slatten, even you couldn't get me to do four. Now maybe when I was 18...

No need to apologize, C-L. I've never been much of a drinker.

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Mar 8, 2021 19:42:44   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
The evidence was clearly there in the capital r**t impeachment hearing. IMO, in spite of that, Trump survived the charges due to the simple political reality that, without holding a 2/3rds majority in the Senate, neither party will likely convict a sitting president....at least not in the foreseeable future. With each, it is party over country.

And, as stated previously on another thread, citizens can fall back on purposeful obtuseness and the defense of 'plausible deniability'. In legal concept, plausible deniability applies when one is lacking incontrovertible proof or evidence of an allegation even though it may very well be true. However, in America, the law is there to protect the guilty as well as the innocent. The good news Regarding the numerous legal problems facing Trump now that he is free of executive privilege...time will tell.

"There are few things more singular than the blindness which, in matters of the highest importance to ourselves, often hides the t***h that is plain as noon to other eyes."
The evidence was clearly there in the capital r**t... (show quote)


Plausible deniability nothing. When this r**t went wrong, it went wrong. Donald J. Trump is not a Democrat where he has followers who will fall on their swords for him. If Donald J. Trump had any foreknowledge of the r**t, you know that someone would betray him. Look at how for four years moles left over from Obama " leaked " constantly.

I will keep repeating it. If Trump had any foreknowledge of the r**t, it would have been impossible to cover it up. You know I am right.

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Mar 9, 2021 07:05:00   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
Plausible deniability nothing. When this r**t went wrong, it went wrong. Donald J. Trump is not a Democrat where he has followers who will fall on their swords for him. If Donald J. Trump had any foreknowledge of the r**t, you know that someone would betray him. Look at how for four years moles left over from Obama " leaked " constantly.

I will keep repeating it. If Trump had any foreknowledge of the r**t, it would have been impossible to cover it up. You know I am right.


Not even hardly. I recall my grandfather's speaking of his banty rooster strutting around the chicken pen as if he was the 'cock-of-the-walk'. In that sense, as I also told Sicilianthing, you remind me of The Black Knight in Life of Brian...all bluster and no substance. Like Sici, you have become one of OPP's laughable caricatures, and not to be taken seriously.

An empty vessel, so to speak. Well...not empty, but rather full of himself.

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