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Mar 4, 2021 22:39:12   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
I care about the liberty you Democrats want to take away by your constant attack on the Bill of Rights.


You'll have to provide proof of your claim in order to be believed.

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Mar 4, 2021 22:40:48   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
It might be an interesting discussion if you knew any facts.

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Mar 5, 2021 08:33:31   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
slatten49 wrote:
Michael Gerson, March 1

One of the poisonous legacies of Donald Trump’s presidency has been to expand the boundaries of expressible prejudice. Through the explicit practice of White-identity politics, Trump has obviated the need for code words and dog whistles. Thus his strongest supporters during the J*** 6 r**t felt free to carry Confederate battle f**gs and wear “Camp Auschwitz” sweatshirts without fear of reproof from their political allies. Many in the crowd surely didn’t consider themselves r****ts, but they were perfectly willing to make common cause with r****ts. In social effect, it is a distinction without a difference.

The result has been an illuminating but horrifying clarity. A periodical called American Greatness — the closest Trumpism gets to an intellectual house organ — recently published an article by Alexander Zubatov that provided a night tour of New York City. Addicts he encountered lay in “piles of rags and filth and the stench of their own excrement.” Some “brown bums” were “like ungainly insects going through the motion of a mating ritual.” The city and nation, he explains, are filled with “a growing mass of fat, lazy l***hes, slugs, thugs, gangbangers, rule-breakers, whiners and perpetual ne’er-do-wells.”

Suffice it to say that the New York City tourist office will not be linking to the article. But Zubatov’s reaction is worth quoting in full: “I know the unyielding ukase of my educated pedigree and those who share it is that empathy and compassion are the only sanctioned responses to this sorry spectacle. But that would require me to rationalize my way out of a feeling and override all my sound, sane animal instincts. Those instincts are of pre-cognitive repulsion and disgust, and I refuse to let them go. I refuse to humanize those who cannot be bothered to lift a finger to humanize themselves. The mentally ill need our care. The rest need the whip.”

The intent, of course, is to shock, displaying the t***sgressive edge of Trumpism. But our lack of shock is a problem. By proposing the whipping of brown people, the author embraces the spirit of “Birth of a Nation.” By comparing human beings to “insects” and “l***hes,” he practices a kind of genocide-chic. Yet it is now easy to imagine Zubatov headlining a panel at next year’s Conservative Political Action Conference. In a party led by a man who has embraced Confederate nostalgia, bigotry has been mainstreamed. This has pushed the edge of the Republican coalition deeper into the fever swamps and granted those who dwell there a broader hearing.

All this should create a tremendous philosophic tension within the GOP. The party has been swiftly repositioned as an instrument of white grievance. It refuses to condemn r****ts within its congressional ranks. Its main national legislative agenda seems to be the suppression of minority v****g. Trumpism is defined by the belief that real Americans are beset by internal threats from migrants, Muslims, multiculturalists, Black L***s M****r activists, a****a militants and various thugs, gangbangers and whiners. And Zubatov is correct that this viewpoint implies and requires dehumanization; resisting our animal instincts is the evidence of political correctness. The whole Trump movement, and now most of the Republican Party, is premised on the social sanctification of pre-cognitive fears and disgust.

Yet the largest single group within the new GOP coalition is comprised of people who claim to be evangelical Christians. And the view of human beings implied by Trumpism is a direct negation of Christian teaching (as well as many other systems of belief). Christians are informed — not by political correctness, but by Jesus — that every addict and homeless person you might encounter on a nocturnal walk in New York is the presence of Christ in disguise. And the parable He told in Matthew 25 illustrating this point is a rather stern one. Those who follow their pre-cognitive disgust and refuse to treat the hungry, the stranger, the sick and imprisoned as they would Christ are told: “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

This Christian anthropology does not dictate specific policies. But it requires Christians to ask: How should we act in the political realm if every human being we encounter — everyone we admire and everyone we disdain; everyone we agree with and everyone we disagree with; everyone we love and everyone we h**e — were actually the image of Christ in our midst? No one can live in this manner at every moment. But it is an ideal that should cause us to tremble.

No one could possibly accuse white evangelicals of consistently defending this view of humanity in the Republican coalition. There have been only scattered peeps of protest as an agenda of dehumanization has advanced. The complete lack of a debate on these matters is an indictment. At some point, the issue ceases to be hypocrisy, because hypocrisy requires the existence of a standard.
Michael Gerson, March 1 br br One of the poisonou... (show quote)


Slatten, I never heard f this Gerson before but will search him out but everything he accuses DJT and the Republican Party of are precisely what I think the Democrats and Biden, Pelosi et. are guilty of and investiatoin proves just that. The comparatives are stunning. In one night of G****e F***d r**ting. B*M did more than right wingers did in the previous 25 years!

I'm from NYC and saw New York liberals up close.

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Mar 5, 2021 08:40:03   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Slatten, I never heard f this Gerson before but will search him out but everything he accuses DJT and the Republican Party of are precisely what I think the Democrats and Biden, Pelosi et. are guilty of and investiatoin proves just that. The comparatives are stunning. In one night of G****e F***d r**ting. B*M did more than right wingers did in the previous 25 years!

I'm from NYC and saw New York liberals up close.

He'll be easy to research.

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Mar 5, 2021 09:16:28   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
NWR


Agreed! TDS royal!

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Mar 5, 2021 09:31:13   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Agreed! TDS royal!

Indeed, sir. You definitely have TDS to a royal degree.

Read my response to you on the page previous to this one.

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Mar 5, 2021 11:10:55   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
slatten49 wrote:
He'll be easy to research.



I found Michael Gerson. He’s a columnist for The Washington Post and was a senior fellow at The Council For Foreign Relations, one of the most prominent One-Worlder groups around. CFR is precisely the type of organization most threatened by DJT’s policies and attitudes.

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Mar 5, 2021 12:39:38   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I found Michael Gerson. He’s a columnist for The Washington Post and was a senior fellow at The Council For Foreign Relations, one of the most prominent One-Worlder groups around. CFR is precisely the type of organization most threatened by DJT’s policies and attitudes.

Also, C-L: "Before joining the Bush Administration, he was a senior policy advisor with The Heritage Foundation, a conservative public policy research institution. He also worked at various times as an aide to Indiana Senator Dan Coats and a speechwriter for the P**********l campaign of Bob Dole before briefly leaving the political world to cover it as a journalist for U.S. News & World Report. Gerson also worked at one point as a ghostwriter for Charles Colson. In early 1999, Karl Rove recruited Gerson for the Bush campaign.

Gerson was named by Time as one of 'The 25 Most Influential Evangelicals In America'. The February 7, 2005 issue listed Gerson as the ninth most influential."

Arguably, his resume is a mixed bag.

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Mar 5, 2021 13:18:29   #
ChJoe
 
slatten49 wrote:
Michael Gerson, March 1

One of the poisonous legacies of Donald Trump’s presidency has been to expand the boundaries of expressible prejudice. Through the explicit practice of White-identity politics, Trump has obviated the need for code words and dog whistles. Thus his strongest supporters during the J*** 6 r**t felt free to carry Confederate battle f**gs and wear “Camp Auschwitz” sweatshirts without fear of reproof from their political allies. Many in the crowd surely didn’t consider themselves r****ts, but they were perfectly willing to make common cause with r****ts. In social effect, it is a distinction without a difference.

The result has been an illuminating but horrifying clarity. A periodical called American Greatness — the closest Trumpism gets to an intellectual house organ — recently published an article by Alexander Zubatov that provided a night tour of New York City. Addicts he encountered lay in “piles of rags and filth and the stench of their own excrement.” Some “brown bums” were “like ungainly insects going through the motion of a mating ritual.” The city and nation, he explains, are filled with “a growing mass of fat, lazy l***hes, slugs, thugs, gangbangers, rule-breakers, whiners and perpetual ne’er-do-wells.”

Suffice it to say that the New York City tourist office will not be linking to the article. But Zubatov’s reaction is worth quoting in full: “I know the unyielding ukase of my educated pedigree and those who share it is that empathy and compassion are the only sanctioned responses to this sorry spectacle. But that would require me to rationalize my way out of a feeling and override all my sound, sane animal instincts. Those instincts are of pre-cognitive repulsion and disgust, and I refuse to let them go. I refuse to humanize those who cannot be bothered to lift a finger to humanize themselves. The mentally ill need our care. The rest need the whip.”

The intent, of course, is to shock, displaying the t***sgressive edge of Trumpism. But our lack of shock is a problem. By proposing the whipping of brown people, the author embraces the spirit of “Birth of a Nation.” By comparing human beings to “insects” and “l***hes,” he practices a kind of genocide-chic. Yet it is now easy to imagine Zubatov headlining a panel at next year’s Conservative Political Action Conference. In a party led by a man who has embraced Confederate nostalgia, bigotry has been mainstreamed. This has pushed the edge of the Republican coalition deeper into the fever swamps and granted those who dwell there a broader hearing.

All this should create a tremendous philosophic tension within the GOP. The party has been swiftly repositioned as an instrument of white grievance. It refuses to condemn r****ts within its congressional ranks. Its main national legislative agenda seems to be the suppression of minority v****g. Trumpism is defined by the belief that real Americans are beset by internal threats from migrants, Muslims, multiculturalists, Black L***s M****r activists, a****a militants and various thugs, gangbangers and whiners. And Zubatov is correct that this viewpoint implies and requires dehumanization; resisting our animal instincts is the evidence of political correctness. The whole Trump movement, and now most of the Republican Party, is premised on the social sanctification of pre-cognitive fears and disgust.

Yet the largest single group within the new GOP coalition is comprised of people who claim to be evangelical Christians. And the view of human beings implied by Trumpism is a direct negation of Christian teaching (as well as many other systems of belief). Christians are informed — not by political correctness, but by Jesus — that every addict and homeless person you might encounter on a nocturnal walk in New York is the presence of Christ in disguise. And the parable He told in Matthew 25 illustrating this point is a rather stern one. Those who follow their pre-cognitive disgust and refuse to treat the hungry, the stranger, the sick and imprisoned as they would Christ are told: “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

This Christian anthropology does not dictate specific policies. But it requires Christians to ask: How should we act in the political realm if every human being we encounter — everyone we admire and everyone we disdain; everyone we agree with and everyone we disagree with; everyone we love and everyone we h**e — were actually the image of Christ in our midst? No one can live in this manner at every moment. But it is an ideal that should cause us to tremble.

No one could possibly accuse white evangelicals of consistently defending this view of humanity in the Republican coalition. There have been only scattered peeps of protest as an agenda of dehumanization has advanced. The complete lack of a debate on these matters is an indictment. At some point, the issue ceases to be hypocrisy, because hypocrisy requires the existence of a standard.
Michael Gerson, March 1 br br One of the poisonou... (show quote)


I have seen too many broad brushes applied to what happened at the Capital building, most especially to things "Christian." Apparently, due to these broad brush strokes, all Christians are the Capital building r****rs and all Republicans and Trump supporters are Capital building r****rs. I eject that, of course.

But tell me what he is referring to here: "Trump has obviated the need for code words and dog whistles"

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Mar 5, 2021 13:37:56   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
ChJoe wrote:
I have seen too many broad brushes applied to what happened at the Capital building, most especially to things "Christian." Apparently, due to these broad brush strokes, all Christians are the Capital building r****rs and all Republicans and Trump supporters are Capital building r****rs. I eject that, of course.

But tell me what he is referring to here: "Trump has obviated the need for code words and dog whistles"

obviate - VERB; obviated (past tense) · obviated (past participle) - remove (a need or difficulty). example: "the Venetian blinds obviated the need for curtains" synonyms: preclude · prevent · remove · get rid of · do away with · get round · rule out · eliminate · make unnecessary · take away · foreclose · avoid · avert · counter

My take on Gerson's words

Clearly, "Through the explicit practice of White-identity politics, Trump has obviated (or eliminated) the need for code words and dog whistles. Thus his strongest supporters during the J*** 6 r**t felt free to carry Confederate battle f**gs and wear “Camp Auschwitz” sweatshirts without fear of reproof from their political allies. Many in the crowd surely didn’t consider themselves r****ts, but they were perfectly willing to make common cause with r****ts. In social effect, it is a distinction without a difference."

However, I did/do not assume all J*** 6th D.C. r****rs to have been Christians or even republicans.

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Mar 5, 2021 16:03:55   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
slatten49 wrote:
Also, C-L: "Before joining the Bush Administration, he was a senior policy advisor with The Heritage Foundation, a conservative public policy research institution. He also worked at various times as an aide to Indiana Senator Dan Coats and a speechwriter for the P**********l campaign of Bob Dole before briefly leaving the political world to cover it as a journalist for U.S. News & World Report. Gerson also worked at one point as a ghostwriter for Charles Colson. In early 1999, Karl Rove recruited Gerson for the Bush campaign.

Gerson was named by Time as one of 'The 25 Most Influential Evangelicals In America'. The February 7, 2005 issue listed Gerson as the ninth most influential."

Arguably, his resume is a mixed bag.
Also, C-L: "Before joining the Bush Administr... (show quote)



Good enough Slatten but I still disagree with him. I believe it's the Democrats & progressives who are the dispensers of h**e.

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Mar 5, 2021 17:30:35   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Good enough Slatten but I still disagree with him. I believe it's the Democrats & progressives who are the dispensers of h**e.

I firmly believe there are too many in both partisan/ideological camps who dispense h**e.

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Mar 5, 2021 19:50:40   #
ChJoe
 
slatten49 wrote:
obviate - VERB; obviated (past tense) · obviated (past participle) - remove (a need or difficulty). example: "the Venetian blinds obviated the need for curtains" synonyms: preclude · prevent · remove · get rid of · do away with · get round · rule out · eliminate · make unnecessary · take away · foreclose · avoid · avert · counter

My take on Gerson's words

Clearly, "Through the explicit practice of White-identity politics, Trump has obviated (or eliminated) the need for code words and dog whistles. Thus his strongest supporters during the J*** 6 r**t felt free to carry Confederate battle f**gs and wear “Camp Auschwitz” sweatshirts without fear of reproof from their political allies. Many in the crowd surely didn’t consider themselves r****ts, but they were perfectly willing to make common cause with r****ts. In social effect, it is a distinction without a difference."

However, I did/do not assume all J*** 6th D.C. r****rs to have been Christians or even republicans.
obviate - VERB; obviated (past tense) · obviated (... (show quote)


What are the "code words and dog whistles" which Trump eliminated the need for? Also, give an example of "White-identity politics" practiced by Trump.

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Mar 5, 2021 20:05:12   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
ChJoe wrote:
What are the "code words and dog whistles" which Trump eliminated the need for? Also, give an example of "White-identity politics" practiced by Trump.

The following will give answers to your questions. Whether they are acceptable or not is up to the reader. B

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/12/13/donald-trump-and-the-triumph-of-white-identity-politics-2/

Respectfully, ChJoe, it appears to me that you continue to ask questions to verify whether I can answer them or not. This is somewhat odd, as you clearly appear to have the intellect to pursue the answers for yourself. This shouldn't be difficult, even when or if you find answers that are unacceptable to you.

While finding this often to be true for me, I simply read the material and filter through it for what deems to be either reasonable or acceptable. I then toss the rest, without forgetting or disregarding what I have read from those other viewpoints.

What people choose to believe is always up to them, however falsely based it could have been. But, self-censorship is the worst kind.

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Mar 5, 2021 20:09:07   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
Michael Gerson, March 1

One of the poisonous legacies of Donald Trump’s presidency has been to expand the boundaries of expressible prejudice. Through the explicit practice of White-identity politics, Trump has obviated the need for code words and dog whistles. Thus his strongest supporters during the J*** 6 r**t felt free to carry Confederate battle f**gs and wear “Camp Auschwitz” sweatshirts without fear of reproof from their political allies. Many in the crowd surely didn’t consider themselves r****ts, but they were perfectly willing to make common cause with r****ts. In social effect, it is a distinction without a difference.

The result has been an illuminating but horrifying clarity. A periodical called American Greatness — the closest Trumpism gets to an intellectual house organ — recently published an article by Alexander Zubatov that provided a night tour of New York City. Addicts he encountered lay in “piles of rags and filth and the stench of their own excrement.” Some “brown bums” were “like ungainly insects going through the motion of a mating ritual.” The city and nation, he explains, are filled with “a growing mass of fat, lazy l***hes, slugs, thugs, gangbangers, rule-breakers, whiners and perpetual ne’er-do-wells.”

Suffice it to say that the New York City tourist office will not be linking to the article. But Zubatov’s reaction is worth quoting in full: “I know the unyielding ukase of my educated pedigree and those who share it is that empathy and compassion are the only sanctioned responses to this sorry spectacle. But that would require me to rationalize my way out of a feeling and override all my sound, sane animal instincts. Those instincts are of pre-cognitive repulsion and disgust, and I refuse to let them go. I refuse to humanize those who cannot be bothered to lift a finger to humanize themselves. The mentally ill need our care. The rest need the whip.”

The intent, of course, is to shock, displaying the t***sgressive edge of Trumpism. But our lack of shock is a problem. By proposing the whipping of brown people, the author embraces the spirit of “Birth of a Nation.” By comparing human beings to “insects” and “l***hes,” he practices a kind of genocide-chic. Yet it is now easy to imagine Zubatov headlining a panel at next year’s Conservative Political Action Conference. In a party led by a man who has embraced Confederate nostalgia, bigotry has been mainstreamed. This has pushed the edge of the Republican coalition deeper into the fever swamps and granted those who dwell there a broader hearing.

All this should create a tremendous philosophic tension within the GOP. The party has been swiftly repositioned as an instrument of white grievance. It refuses to condemn r****ts within its congressional ranks. Its main national legislative agenda seems to be the suppression of minority v****g. Trumpism is defined by the belief that real Americans are beset by internal threats from migrants, Muslims, multiculturalists, Black L***s M****r activists, a****a militants and various thugs, gangbangers and whiners. And Zubatov is correct that this viewpoint implies and requires dehumanization; resisting our animal instincts is the evidence of political correctness. The whole Trump movement, and now most of the Republican Party, is premised on the social sanctification of pre-cognitive fears and disgust.

Yet the largest single group within the new GOP coalition is comprised of people who claim to be evangelical Christians. And the view of human beings implied by Trumpism is a direct negation of Christian teaching (as well as many other systems of belief). Christians are informed — not by political correctness, but by Jesus — that every addict and homeless person you might encounter on a nocturnal walk in New York is the presence of Christ in disguise. And the parable He told in Matthew 25 illustrating this point is a rather stern one. Those who follow their pre-cognitive disgust and refuse to treat the hungry, the stranger, the sick and imprisoned as they would Christ are told: “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

This Christian anthropology does not dictate specific policies. But it requires Christians to ask: How should we act in the political realm if every human being we encounter — everyone we admire and everyone we disdain; everyone we agree with and everyone we disagree with; everyone we love and everyone we h**e — were actually the image of Christ in our midst? No one can live in this manner at every moment. But it is an ideal that should cause us to tremble.

No one could possibly accuse white evangelicals of consistently defending this view of humanity in the Republican coalition. There have been only scattered peeps of protest as an agenda of dehumanization has advanced. The complete lack of a debate on these matters is an indictment. At some point, the issue ceases to be hypocrisy, because hypocrisy requires the existence of a standard.
Michael Gerson, March 1 br br One of the poisonou... (show quote)


Trump and his followers had nothing to do with the r**t.

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