Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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:thumbdown: It doesn't outlaw it - it merely drives practitioners away as well as real insurance companies. They can't compete very well with the one who prints all the money and makes all the rules. I hope you know that is one of the primary purposes of having Obamacare. You don't have to believe me. You will be able to see for yourself. There was no logical reason to set up Obamacare, and the majority of Americans didn't want it because they knew what the effects would be long before you.

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

The flaw with your argument, and your mistaken impression, is that Obamacare will not outlaw private practice. Also, if I do not want to participate in Obamacare, I still have to pay for those who do. Is that fair? Fair, a term you uberliberals like to throw around.

Jonas Planck

Oh, right. Obamacare will outlaw private doctors. Citation for that, please? CREDIBLE citation.
Also, you're already paying for all those people who are using the emergency room instead of personal doctors. You don't seem to be terribly upset about THAT, do you? Probably because no pundit ever rubbed it in your face. Clearly, making THOSE people pay for their own health care is TYRANNY that you will oppose with your last dying breath, so you're damned either way.
Since when were you concerned about fairness? That's c*******m, remember? Are you a c*******t now? I'm fairly certain that other guy is, he doesn't even believe in consumer choice!

Jonas Planck

If a doctor quits his job because he can no longer make as much money as before at it, than he's in violation of his oath, and he wasn't a real doctor to begin with. Such a "brain drain" can only be beneficial, since it will weed out the ones who are only in it for the money, and the ones who actually want to HELP people will remain. They exist, you know. Not everyone shares your superstitious reverence of the magical power of materialism. And NOBODY but you considers your money to be more important than their lives. Anyone who says they do is lying to you.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

[quote=General Mosh]One, Cuba has some of the best healthcare in the world, so you conservatives should probably be careful using that against us. Two, people aren't immigrating to Canada because not only would they not be allowed to access free healthcare (not Canadian citizens), but it's stupid to move to a whole new country and leave your friends and family behind if you can just change things for the better in your own country./quote]

General, do you really think the bolded part of your statement makes one bit of since? I say that when the others don't have superior services, changing to what they have is pretty stupid. I say that even if progs don't agree with me. You do know that a majority of people in this country don't want Obamascare, don't you? You are talking from progmania and making no sense.

ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio

This is not about Health Care! It is about CONTROL over every aspect of our daily lives. Under the guise of Health Care comes gun theft, murder of the elderly, mentally ill, handicapped and various life unworthy of life as defined by the TYRANT. In other words BIG BROTHER is watching every move you make.

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it really pisses me off when someone gets something for nothing that I and others like me have to pay.

I am concerned about fairness in the manner in which is it being thrown about today by the left. I have something for which I worked and earned the means to obtain, and because I have it, everyone who does not work and earn thinks they should have it, and that I should pay for it for them. So YES I am completely against that definition of fairness; BUT, I do believe fairness applies to the ability in which to obtain something.

If you have the ability to work for and earn the means of obtaining, then it is only FAIR you have access.
If you do not have the ability to work for and earns the means of obtaining, then it is only FAIR that you have access to the means to do so.
It is NOT FAIR to demand others pay for you to have something you will neither work nor earn the means of obtaining.
It is NOT FAIR to demand others pay for your means of obtaining the ability to work and earn the means of obtaining.

My time is precious to me. I want to be able to spend my life using MY time to enhance MY life. I do not think it FAIR when MY time is used to enhance others lives, unless I am compensated in some way.

Time and ability are the only commodities I have for trade, just like all of us. Trade is the backbone of every culture. If MY time and ability are worth more to others than your time and ability, then my life should be better than yours, and vice versa. But do not believe that if there is a disparity between my time and my ability and your time and your ability, one's quality of life should be lowered and the other's quality of life should be raised to make things FAIR and EQUAL. That is the essence of what is NOT FAIR.

And before you think me completely unconscionable, there are those who cannot provide for themselves and need help, I sympathize and have no problem helping in that case. I have a problem with those who can and do not provide for themselves and expect others to do so "in all FAIRNESS". Those are the people I completely loathe and for which I have no respect.

Does that answer your question about me being a c*******t? I despise c*******m, socialism, facism, marxism and am beginning to despise the current incarnation of a representative republic this country purports to have.