Why the GOP keeps trying to destroy Obamacare
May 12, 2013 07:24:56 #
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/05/10/why-the-gop-keeps-trying-to-destroy-obamacare/?tid=socialss
Republicans will be left in a position where they long opposed an entitlement their own v**ers have come to rely on. At this point, their only hope is to stop the law from going into effect.
Republicans will be left in a position where they long opposed an entitlement their own v**ers have come to rely on. At this point, their only hope is to stop the law from going into effect.
May 13, 2013 07:48:43 #
May 13, 2013 08:39:23 #
why are so many people apposed to the united states rising to the standards of the rest of the industrial world
May 13, 2013 09:25:44 #
You mean we must have death panels, neglected care, long waiting periods, rationed care, higher costs through undisclosed taxes (you remember the bill that had to be passed so we would know what was in it).
By the way, Cuba has universal health care. How many people have been flooding there for treatment?
By the way, Cuba has universal health care. How many people have been flooding there for treatment?
May 13, 2013 11:13:00 #
mmccarty12
Loc: Zionsville, Indiana
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/05/10/why-the-gop-keeps-trying-to-destroy-obamacare/?tid=socialss wrote:
It should be said that Republicans had a chance to prevent this outcome. During the fight for health care reform, Democrats were desperate for bipartisan cover. ItÂ’s not a stretch to think that Republicans could have dramatically watered-down the health care law if just a few agreed to support it. Instead, by opposing it completely, they kept it a purely Democratic bill, and thus a much more liberal law than it might have been.
If the Democrats were so interested in getting bipartisan support:
Why did they not include Republicans in the process of creating the bill?
Why did the Republicans have to make the first move?
Republicans rejected the idea because it is bad policy for all, not JUST because it is a plank in the liberal platform and has been for over 80 years.
DALE wrote:
why are so many people apposed to the united states rising to the standards of the rest of the industrial world
Why do you think the United State of America has to look outside it own borders for standards? Have you actually looked at the statistics of Universal Health Coverage the world over. The possibility of forced euthanasia. Those incapable of providing to the common good can see no coverage at all. And in the end, only the rich, which includes many politicians, will receive the best health care.
I am a veteran and I go to the VA Hospitals for most of my health care. That is a very good example of socialized health care and it is not great. But that may be due to this administration's hatred of veterans and its desire not to take care of those who served. Yes, I said it, but I was in the system before Obama got into office and the service at the VA hospitals was just as bad under Bush. While the VA System is not great, it is a very good example of what Obamacare is not going to be. The way Obamacare is set up, and this is from conversations with both private practice doctors and with doctors in the VA Hospital ranks, health care in this country will decline not be improved by it.
My company, in the last three years, has had the cost of insuring us increase over 40%. Obama kept spouting how coverage was supposed to go down, how insurance rates were going to drop. Where are the drops? Obamacare just helps the insurance industry and the government; it will, in the end, hurt the public much, much more than it will help. If you think Obamacare is going to be so great, talk to your doctor(s) and get their thoughts.
One more thing, DALE, why do you want the government to control your healthcare. That is exactly what Obamacare does. It gives the government more control over you.
May 13, 2013 11:24:56 #
DALE wrote:
why are so many people apposed to the united states rising to the standards of the rest of the industrial world
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The US is already equal to the rest of the industrial world re healthcare. I advise you to be very careful when relying on cold stats. I can take a country that cures every cancer case it treats and make it sound like heaven, but if I include the information that that country never admits a person to the hospital that it knows it cannot cure, how will that make the case that that country cures cancer better than anyone else? You cannot make that case.
And cold stats don't tell us all we need to know. THAT is how lousy, LOUSY legislation gets passed - in total ignorance, passed by the most ignorant of ignorant humans, making us the laughing stock of the world. And it creates d******eness within an otherwise great country - all because people are willfully stupid, and our legislators are willfully stupid - and people like you prefer to believe a wonderful LIE than to deal with T***H, which isn't as rosey as LIES are. If the left would only THINK, the US would be in a MUCH BETTER state than it is when people love to hear rosey lies.
May 13, 2013 11:26:56 #
May 13, 2013 12:26:55 #
mmccarty12
Loc: Zionsville, Indiana
Ralph wrote:
Many would be flooding to Cuba, if the Department of State would allow permission.
Other countries do not restrict the flow of people to and from Cuba, why are people from those countries not heading there. Add to it that Canada/US relations are so great and there seem to be no restrictions to US citizens residing there, why is the entire population of the US not emigrating there?
May 13, 2013 12:33:55 #
One, Cuba has some of the best healthcare in the world, so you conservatives should probably be careful using that against us. Two, people aren't immigrating to Canada because not only would they not be allowed to access free healthcare (not Canadian citizens), but it's stupid to move to a whole new country and leave your friends and family behind if you can just change things for the better in your own country.
May 13, 2013 13:53:44 #
May 13, 2013 13:57:59 #
Cuba has some of the best health care in the world. Well you and Michael Moore are the only ones who think so.
May 13, 2013 14:24:44 #
mmccarty12
Loc: Zionsville, Indiana
General Mosh wrote:
Two, people aren't immigrating to Canada because not only would they not be allowed to access free healthcare (not Canadian citizens),
And people hold up Canada as being such a great country. They probably have even more restrictive immigration than we do, and they say we have bad and restrictive immigration policy.
General Mosh wrote:
but it's stupid to move to a whole new country and leave your friends and family behind
People leave their home countries and move to the United States of America on a daily basis for a better life, some even move to countries other than the USA but that is outside this scope. Some of them even leave countries with lots of social programs. Are you calling them stupid? This country was built on immigration from countries around the world. How many other countries can claim as diverse a population as the USA. Look at your own family tree and see how far back it goes before crossing an ocean or international border. Yeah, I guess it is "stupid to move to a whole new country and leave your friends and family behind"
I work in an office that, if not for people moving from other countries to this one, would not exist. The owner, and every employee aside from myself, are foreign born naturalized citizens or legal residents.
General Mosh wrote:
if you can just change things for the better in your own country.
Talk to my Chinese co-worker about how well change is accepted by the current government there.
Who decides what is better?
Define better please. As better is a relative term, to what are you comparing.
May 13, 2013 14:29:36 #
General Mosh wrote:
One, Cuba has some of the best healthcare in the world, so you conservatives should probably be careful using that against us. Two, people aren't immigrating to Canada because not only would they not be allowed to access free healthcare (not Canadian citizens), but it's stupid to move to a whole new country and leave your friends and family behind if you can just change things for the better in your own country.
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I have no problem accepting the stats that I can read on line, although the most important issue to me is not listed among the stats - numbers of babies murdered at term, AKA late term a******n. I know about how many are done in the US, but I did wonder about Cuba. Of course it must be assumed that any c*******t country would give up all its dirty secrets for the world to know, huh? Anyone who bases his welfare on statistics needs to have his head examined. I have no doubt that America even c***ts on its stats. We know it c***ts on things of a monetary type. If the US c***ts, believe me that Cuba does too.
All of that said, why do you suppose Cuba has such a fantastic healthcare system, yet people are continuously trying to escape from Cuba? There must be something that trumps the healthcare system; IOW, the marvelous healthcare system isn't worth what something in Cuba is costing the people. In the US some think we have a rotten healthcare system, yet don't try to escape. Some threaten to leave, but they always disappoint us and stay.
I hope everyone understands that if a person dies at home, the hospital doesn't get the blame, and usually the doctor doesn't get the blame, and the insurance company doesn't have to put out so much money on the patient. Do most Cubans die in the hospital? If they die at home, I expect the US under Obamacare to begin refusing to take the infirm and elderly and make them die at home so that their stats stay clean. Like I suspect Cuba does.
May 13, 2013 14:35:01 #
DALE wrote:
why are so many people apposed to the united states rising to the standards of the rest of the industrial world
Why is the Senior Democratic Senator who helped write the policy retiring and stating it is "a train wreck"?
The question is not "rising to the standards" but creating a workable solution. It seems each week a new set of regulations is written and by the IRS. Considering what is currently being revealed with the IRS is this an organization you want further invading your life and health?
May 13, 2013 18:43:37 #
D**gnet wrote:
You mean we must have death panels, neglected care, long waiting periods, rationed care, higher costs through undisclosed taxes (you remember the bill that had to be passed so we would know what was in it).
You know, for an uber-capitalist, you are remarkably ignorant about how a market economy works... If you don't want the free care, then take your money and go to a PRIVATE PRACTITIONER. Like you can do NOW. Honestly, how incredibly pathetic would private practice have to be in order to be unable to compete with that kind of system? You DO believe in the existence of free-market competition, right? Oh, wait, you're under the mistaken impression that Obamacare outlaws private practice, aren't you? How cute.
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