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With regards to Bidens gun control effort to rid the country of AR15's and the like
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Feb 21, 2021 12:36:56   #
Sicilianthing
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
When I was a teenager I was often seen walking down the road by myself or with a group of teenagers all with a rifle or a shotgun. We were just hunting and nobody paid attention to us. We did not have mass shootings and cowards running around with their guns thinking they are tough. Times have changed and laws have to change. I do not believe people should be able to commit crimes with guns and retain their freedom or right to legally purchase a gun--that is just common sense. I have no problem with background checks because I know I can pass one.
The nutcases among us have brought us to the point where gun control is constantly brought up. So maybe people who have mental problems and anti government issues should have no right to a gun and should be locked up for the safety of society if they commit crimes with guns. People with no issues should still be able to own firearms for pleasure or for hunting as they are not the problem. Can you argue with that?
When I was a teenager I was often seen walking dow... (show quote)


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Ahhhh there it is!

This is called c*********d and also an encroachment the founders warned of by trading freedom, rights, liberties and declarations for a false security!

Would you like me to continue?

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Feb 21, 2021 12:47:11   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Ahhhh there it is!

This is called c*********d and also an encroachment the founders warned of by trading freedom, rights, liberties and declarations for a false security!

Would you like me to continue?


Go on I don't care. I am secure in my manhood and I am not afraid I will lose my guns because I won't.

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Feb 21, 2021 12:47:15   #
American Vet
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
When I was a teenager I was often seen walking down the road by myself or with a group of teenagers all with a rifle or a shotgun. We were just hunting and nobody paid attention to us. We did not have mass shootings and cowards running around with their guns thinking they are tough. Times have changed and laws have to change. I do not believe people should be able to commit crimes with guns and retain their freedom or right to legally purchase a gun--that is just common sense. I have no problem with background checks because I know I can pass one.
The nutcases among us have brought us to the point where gun control is constantly brought up. So maybe people who have mental problems and anti government issues should have no right to a gun and should be locked up for the safety of society if they commit crimes with guns. People with no issues should still be able to own firearms for pleasure or for hunting as they are not the problem. Can you argue with that?
When I was a teenager I was often seen walking dow... (show quote)
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Indeed I can argue with that.

What is a ‘mental problem’? I have known doctors and psychologists who believe if you want to own a gun then you have a ‘mental problem’.

How does one get a diagnosis of a ‘mental problem’? What ‘issues’ would disqualify one for gun ownership?

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Feb 21, 2021 12:52:10   #
Carol Kelly
 
kemmer wrote:
AR-15s should be banned for private ownership. Their only purpose is to k**l humans.


Humans being threatened by criminal humans?

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Feb 21, 2021 12:53:31   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
American Vet wrote:
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Indeed I can argue with that.

What is a ‘mental problem’? I have known doctors and psychologists who believe if you want to own a gun then you have a ‘mental problem’.

How does one get a diagnosis of a ‘mental problem’? What ‘issues’ would disqualify one for gun ownership?
Arrests for domestic violence and assaults come to mind in fact it will disqualify you from a firearms purchase here in my state. Self defense is not a disqualifier.

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Feb 21, 2021 12:54:27   #
Sicilianthing
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Go on I don't care. I am secure in my manhood and I am not afraid I will lose my guns because I won't.


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You know whattimean, I stated the facts and the terms are non negotiable EVER!

Good for You, stay armed and never let the t*****rs get inside your head again with their trickerytrap WORDOLOGIES!

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Feb 21, 2021 12:58:32   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Kevyn wrote:
Unless he is hunting small game it is a poor choice. Too light a round to use on deer.


Funny he does well every year

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Feb 21, 2021 12:58:49   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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You know whattimean, I stated the facts and the terms are non negotiable EVER!

Good for You, stay armed and never let the t*****rs get inside your head again with their trickerytrap WORDOLOGIES!


The second amendment won't ever be repealed and I am positive of that

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Feb 21, 2021 13:16:04   #
American Vet
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Arrests for domestic violence and assaults come to mind in fact it will disqualify you from a firearms purchase here in my state. Self defense is not a disqualifier.


"Arrests for domestic violence"? I have a problem with that. Being arrested does not mean one is guilty of anything. It means someone has accused a person of something. This is America where you are brought to trial to determine innocence/guilt.

Being convicted of felony assault is already grounds for failing the current background checks.

However my questions/comments were regarding determining one's mental capacities - not actual crimes.

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Feb 21, 2021 13:22:44   #
Sicilianthing
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
The second amendment won't ever be repealed and I am positive of that


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I pray you’re right, but all patches they’re trying to pass are threatening encroachments, PERIOD.

They must be stopped.

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Feb 21, 2021 13:35:54   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
The second amendment won't ever be repealed and I am positive of that


Not repealed no, but states can impose their own laws as long as it does not violate the right to own...what violates is still at issue and always will be.

The SCOTUS has already ruled accordingly..

You know the Heller case~~

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

This is Cali no less and look what their court ruled on large capacity firearms..

A federal appeals court in California on Friday ruled that the state’s ban on large-capacity firearm magazines is unconstitutional under the Second Amendment, notching a significant precedent in favor of gun rights.

A divided three-judge panel of the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals struck down a 3-year-old ban on magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

The ruling, which affirmed a lower-court decision, marked the first time a federal appeals court struck down a state limit on magazine size. And it came from an appeals court with the largest jurisdiction in the country.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-appeals-court-strikes-down-california-ban-on-high-capacity-gun-magazines-11597443336

And then the McDonald case.~~
In McDonald v. City of Chicago, the Supreme Court held in a 5–4 ruling that the Second Amendment applies to state and local governments in addition to the federal government. While Chicago’s complete handgun ban was overturned, the Court reiterated in McDonald that a wide variety of state and local gun laws are constitutionally permissible.

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Feb 21, 2021 13:53:23   #
Carol Kelly
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Humans being threatened by criminal humans?

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Feb 21, 2021 13:56:30   #
TruePatriot49 Loc: The Democratic People's Republic Rhode Island
 
kemmer wrote:
AR-15s should be banned for private ownership. Their only purpose is to k**l humans.



Kemmer, maybe you will be surprised to find out that the Gun Control act of 1968 is an exact word for word copy of the Gun Control act of 1935 in Germany signed by Adolf Hitler. It was brought into this country by Senator Tom Dodd of Connecticut. The Democrats have been trying to take total control of the USA since they lost the Civil war. AR15's will be needed if ever We the People are called upon to take back a oppressive government from tyrants. Until then, they are used for target shooting, hunting and self defense. Please read the Constitution and have someone explain the word "infringe" to you. Down through history the only people that have banned weapons have been monarchs, c*******ts and F*****ts. We don't have monarchs it the USA, so which of the other groups do you fall under. Please let me know.



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Feb 21, 2021 13:58:46   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
When I was a teenager I was often seen walking down the road by myself or with a group of teenagers all with a rifle or a shotgun. We were just hunting and nobody paid attention to us. We did not have mass shootings and cowards running around with their guns thinking they are tough. Times have changed and laws have to change. I do not believe people should be able to commit crimes with guns and retain their freedom or right to legally purchase a gun--that is just common sense. I have no problem with background checks because I know I can pass one.
The nutcases among us have brought us to the point where gun control is constantly brought up. So maybe people who have mental problems and anti government issues should have no right to a gun and should be locked up for the safety of society if they commit crimes with guns. People with no issues should still be able to own firearms for pleasure or for hunting as they are not the problem. Can you argue with that?
When I was a teenager I was often seen walking dow... (show quote)


True confirmed and determined by a Competency board or professional I agree with...

As for anti-government I guess I would ask you for a definition of what you mean by that. I mean after all we do have the right to defend ourselves against Tyranny, do we not?

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Feb 21, 2021 13:59:32   #
Carol Kelly
 
archie bunker wrote:
Seems then that it would be a poor choice for humans as well. If you compare body mass, and weight of deer, and humans, they're not far apart.

The fact is that you guys have no reasonable argument against the AR-15 other than the way it looks.
OK, ban 30 round mags. It's still the same gun.


Great point!

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