My personal experience with "Sovereign Citizens": Watch "Trump Supporters Now Say Trump Will Be Sworn In As President On March 4" on YouTube https://youtu.be/WlTrFILCB6I Being around a...

tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

Watch "Trump Supporters Now Say Trump Will Be Sworn In As President On March 4" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/WlTrFILCB6I

Being around a group meeting of those types made me feel as if I needed to go thru a nuclear decontamination "scrub down".

I can tell you, these people are THREE SUITS short of a full deck, yet they are "deadly" serious about their beliefs. Thru a friend of a friend, who got sucked in to the crazy Sovereign movement, I was invited to attend one of their Insider events in the mid-90s.

They only use the N-word to refer to black people. They speak in a derogatory fashion of the Jewish. Inexplicably, there are women in the movement, even though the core group of male leaders vocally assert that it's never been legal for women to v**e any more than it ever was for the "jungle bunnies", "towel heads" or "Latin invaders". The Confederate Battle F**g was present and you could tell, with them, that s***ery would be right around the corner.

My friend that I went with is Jewish (but they didn't ask names, and she doesn't "look like a Jew", wh**ever that means, something the guy repetitively spoke). They were obviously attentive to new people as potential recruits. As two lowly women, we were "assigned" to one of the elder guys who spoke eloquently (and stupidly, wrongly) about the original Constitution and how everything past a certain point is basically illegal, in their view.

Much low-key eye-rolling and head-shaking passed between my friend and me, when the group-leader wasn't looking, as he prattled on without noticing. We didn't need to ask many questions, as the indoctrinator was never lacking description. Despite insulting Jewish comments, somehow my friend maintained calm. Besides, we certainly felt as if we were in the home camp of a hostile group, and could easily have been attacked if we revealed ourselves as non-believers.

We were both speechless as we drove away. We stopped by a favorite Mexican restaurant to more or less silently decompress over margaritas for a couple of hours. It was an astonishing and appalling experience.

Afterword: the guy who sent us gave up on his temporary romance with Sovereign citizens. He decided to follow their lead and not register his car. He was stopped, decided to espouse his beliefs to the LAPD officers, wherein they had his car towed and impounded. None of the big mouthed leaders of the sovereign group, with which he had affiliated himself, were willing to step up and help him get his car back !!!

JohnCo

tNotMyPrez wrote:

Watch "Trump Supporters Now Say Trump Will Be Sworn In As President On March 4" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/WlTrFILCB6I

Being around a group meeting of those types made me feel as if I needed to go thru a nuclear decontamination "scrub down".

I can tell you, these people are THREE SUITS short of a full deck, yet they are "deadly" serious about their beliefs. Thru a friend of a friend, who got sucked in to the crazy Sovereign movement, I was invited to attend one of their Insider events in the mid-90s.

They only use the N-word to refer to black people. They speak in a derogatory fashion of the Jewish. Inexplicably, there are women in the movement, even though the core group of male leaders vocally assert that it's never been legal for women to v**e any more than it ever was for the "jungle bunnies", "towel heads" or "Latin invaders". The Confederate Battle F**g was present and you could tell, with them, that s***ery would be right around the corner.

My friend that I went with is Jewish (but they didn't ask names, and she doesn't "look like a Jew", wh**ever that means, something the guy repetitively spoke). They were obviously attentive to new people as potential recruits. As two lowly women, we were "assigned" to one of the elder guys who spoke eloquently (and stupidly, wrongly) about the original Constitution and how everything past a certain point is basically illegal, in their view.

Much low-key eye-rolling and head-shaking passed between my friend and me, when the group-leader wasn't looking, as he prattled on without noticing. We didn't need to ask many questions, as the indoctrinator was never lacking description. Despite insulting Jewish comments, somehow my friend maintained calm. Besides, we certainly felt as if we were in the home camp of a hostile group, and could easily have been attacked if we revealed ourselves as non-believers.

We were both speechless as we drove away. We stopped by a favorite Mexican restaurant to more or less silently decompress over margaritas for a couple of hours. It was an astonishing and appalling experience.

Afterword: the guy who sent us gave up on his temporary romance with Sovereign citizens. He decided to follow their lead and not register his car. He was stopped, decided to espouse his beliefs to the LAPD officers, wherein they had his car towed and impounded. None of the big mouthed leaders of the sovereign group, with which he had affiliated himself, were willing to step up and help him get his car back !!!

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Your description is so good that it's funny. Thank you for describing them. But the actual experience is not funny at all, because it's dangerous and those people are generally dangerous.

What I find difficult, in life, is to know when to confront such people and when not to. One cannot always confront them. And, one cannot always NOT confront them.

They make life a lot more difficult, and less pleasant, for the rest of us.

So, to overcome that, one can make a life in which they are only a peripheral part.

They are both ignorant and a walking advertisement for the need for gun control.

tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

JohnCo wrote:

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When you're in the middle of this clan of discontents, a hopped-up, aggravated cult following totally distorted beliefs, you intuitively know it isn't the time or place for confrontation.

I can tell you that the encounter left us very shaken and quite disturbed.

It's actually nauseating to find yourself around a large group of people seething from the very core of their being with such unabashed hatred.

kemmer

tNotMyPrez wrote:

Watch "Trump Supporters Now Say Trump Will Be Sworn In As President On March 4" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/WlTrFILCB6I

Being around a group meeting of those types made me feel as if I needed to go thru a nuclear decontamination "scrub down".

I can tell you, these people are THREE SUITS short of a full deck, yet they are "deadly" serious about their beliefs. Thru a friend of a friend, who got sucked in to the crazy Sovereign movement, I was invited to attend one of their Insider events in the mid-90s.

They only use the N-word to refer to black people. They speak in a derogatory fashion of the Jewish. Inexplicably, there are women in the movement, even though the core group of male leaders vocally assert that it's never been legal for women to v**e any more than it ever was for the "jungle bunnies", "towel heads" or "Latin invaders". The Confederate Battle F**g was present and you could tell, with them, that s***ery would be right around the corner.

My friend that I went with is Jewish (but they didn't ask names, and she doesn't "look like a Jew", wh**ever that means, something the guy repetitively spoke). They were obviously attentive to new people as potential recruits. As two lowly women, we were "assigned" to one of the elder guys who spoke eloquently (and stupidly, wrongly) about the original Constitution and how everything past a certain point is basically illegal, in their view.

Much low-key eye-rolling and head-shaking passed between my friend and me, when the group-leader wasn't looking, as he prattled on without noticing. We didn't need to ask many questions, as the indoctrinator was never lacking description. Despite insulting Jewish comments, somehow my friend maintained calm. Besides, we certainly felt as if we were in the home camp of a hostile group, and could easily have been attacked if we revealed ourselves as non-believers.

We were both speechless as we drove away. We stopped by a favorite Mexican restaurant to more or less silently decompress over margaritas for a couple of hours. It was an astonishing and appalling experience.

Afterword: the guy who sent us gave up on his temporary romance with Sovereign citizens. He decided to follow their lead and not register his car. He was stopped, decided to espouse his beliefs to the LAPD officers, wherein they had his car towed and impounded. None of the big mouthed leaders of the sovereign group, with which he had affiliated himself, were willing to step up and help him get his car back !!!

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Trump will be lucky not to be in jail on March 4th.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

tNotMyPrez wrote:

Watch "Trump Supporters Now Say Trump Will Be Sworn In As President On March 4" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/WlTrFILCB6I

Being around a group meeting of those types made me feel as if I needed to go thru a nuclear decontamination "scrub down".

I can tell you, these people are THREE SUITS short of a full deck, yet they are "deadly" serious about their beliefs. Thru a friend of a friend, who got sucked in to the crazy Sovereign movement, I was invited to attend one of their Insider events in the mid-90s.

They only use the N-word to refer to black people. They speak in a derogatory fashion of the Jewish. Inexplicably, there are women in the movement, even though the core group of male leaders vocally assert that it's never been legal for women to v**e any more than it ever was for the "jungle bunnies", "towel heads" or "Latin invaders". The Confederate Battle F**g was present and you could tell, with them, that s***ery would be right around the corner.

My friend that I went with is Jewish (but they didn't ask names, and she doesn't "look like a Jew", wh**ever that means, something the guy repetitively spoke). They were obviously attentive to new people as potential recruits. As two lowly women, we were "assigned" to one of the elder guys who spoke eloquently (and stupidly, wrongly) about the original Constitution and how everything past a certain point is basically illegal, in their view.

Much low-key eye-rolling and head-shaking passed between my friend and me, when the group-leader wasn't looking, as he prattled on without noticing. We didn't need to ask many questions, as the indoctrinator was never lacking description. Despite insulting Jewish comments, somehow my friend maintained calm. Besides, we certainly felt as if we were in the home camp of a hostile group, and could easily have been attacked if we revealed ourselves as non-believers.

We were both speechless as we drove away. We stopped by a favorite Mexican restaurant to more or less silently decompress over margaritas for a couple of hours. It was an astonishing and appalling experience.

Afterword: the guy who sent us gave up on his temporary romance with Sovereign citizens. He decided to follow their lead and not register his car. He was stopped, decided to espouse his beliefs to the LAPD officers, wherein they had his car towed and impounded. None of the big mouthed leaders of the sovereign group, with which he had affiliated himself, were willing to step up and help him get his car back !!!

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Son of Sam, Dhamer, Manson, all those types.......................were deadly serious about THEIR beliefs as well.

tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

lpnmajor wrote:

Son of Sam, Dhamer, Manson, all those types.......................were deadly serious about THEIR beliefs as well.

Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski, David Koresh, the perpetrators of 9/11/01...

...And the list goes on and on !!!

woodguru

tNotMyPrez wrote:

Watch "Trump Supporters Now Say Trump Will Be Sworn In As President On March 4" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/WlTrFILCB6I

Being around a group meeting of those types made me feel as if I needed to go thru a nuclear decontamination "scrub down".

I can tell you, these people are THREE SUITS short of a full deck, yet they are "deadly" serious about their beliefs. Thru a friend of a friend, who got sucked in to the crazy Sovereign movement, I was invited to attend one of their Insider events in the mid-90s.

They only use the N-word to refer to black people. They speak in a derogatory fashion of the Jewish. Inexplicably, there are women in the movement, even though the core group of male leaders vocally assert that it's never been legal for women to v**e any more than it ever was for the "jungle bunnies", "towel heads" or "Latin invaders". The Confederate Battle F**g was present and you could tell, with them, that s***ery would be right around the corner.

My friend that I went with is Jewish (but they didn't ask names, and she doesn't "look like a Jew", wh**ever that means, something the guy repetitively spoke). They were obviously attentive to new people as potential recruits. As two lowly women, we were "assigned" to one of the elder guys who spoke eloquently (and stupidly, wrongly) about the original Constitution and how everything past a certain point is basically illegal, in their view.

Much low-key eye-rolling and head-shaking passed between my friend and me, when the group-leader wasn't looking, as he prattled on without noticing. We didn't need to ask many questions, as the indoctrinator was never lacking description. Despite insulting Jewish comments, somehow my friend maintained calm. Besides, we certainly felt as if we were in the home camp of a hostile group, and could easily have been attacked if we revealed ourselves as non-believers.

We were both speechless as we drove away. We stopped by a favorite Mexican restaurant to more or less silently decompress over margaritas for a couple of hours. It was an astonishing and appalling experience.

Afterword: the guy who sent us gave up on his temporary romance with Sovereign citizens. He decided to follow their lead and not register his car. He was stopped, decided to espouse his beliefs to the LAPD officers, wherein they had his car towed and impounded. None of the big mouthed leaders of the sovereign group, with which he had affiliated himself, were willing to step up and help him get his car back !!!

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A friend of mine wanted me to go to a big teaparty rally in Sacramento, I declined after almost getting shot at the one here in El Dorado county. It turned out it was not okay to correct anyone's misguided ignorance about Obama's policies, they did not welcome any discussions on the realities.

My friend went, and when he got back and I asked him how that rally went, he said those guys were off the charts certifiable lunatics looking for blood.

woodguru

tNotMyPrez wrote:

When you're in the middle of this clan of discontents, a hopped-up, aggravated cult following totally distorted beliefs, you intuitively know it isn't the time or place for confrontation.

I can tell you that the encounter left us very shaken and quite disturbed.

It's actually nauseating to find yourself around a large group of people seething from the very core of their being with such unabashed hatred.

When I went to a teaparty meeting and went to correct someone for being incorrect about something that fukin Ni&%er Obama did, it got people so heated that the gun store owner told me I better get the hell out of there before I got shot. I left and felt rather lucky to get out without gunplay.

tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

woodguru wrote:

When I went to a teaparty meeting and went to correct someone for being incorrect about something that fukin Ni&%er Obama did, it got people so heated that the gun store owner told me I better get the hell out of there before I got shot. I left and felt rather lucky to get out without gunplay.

These types will never forgive Obama for being President-While-Black. Of course tRump, who doesn't believe in anything, picked right up on that and immediately garnered the undying support of these mindless, thoughtless maniacs by trying to obliterate anything and everything Obama accomplished. Now Biden will put it right and obliterate the lying, c***ting, sociopathic narcissist Donnie baby...

Big Kahuna

tNotMyPrez wrote:

Watch "Trump Supporters Now Say Trump Will Be Sworn In As President On March 4" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/WlTrFILCB6I

Being around a group meeting of those types made me feel as if I needed to go thru a nuclear decontamination "scrub down".

I can tell you, these people are THREE SUITS short of a full deck, yet they are "deadly" serious about their beliefs. Thru a friend of a friend, who got sucked in to the crazy Sovereign movement, I was invited to attend one of their Insider events in the mid-90s.

They only use the N-word to refer to black people. They speak in a derogatory fashion of the Jewish. Inexplicably, there are women in the movement, even though the core group of male leaders vocally assert that it's never been legal for women to v**e any more than it ever was for the "jungle bunnies", "towel heads" or "Latin invaders". The Confederate Battle F**g was present and you could tell, with them, that s***ery would be right around the corner.

My friend that I went with is Jewish (but they didn't ask names, and she doesn't "look like a Jew", wh**ever that means, something the guy repetitively spoke). They were obviously attentive to new people as potential recruits. As two lowly women, we were "assigned" to one of the elder guys who spoke eloquently (and stupidly, wrongly) about the original Constitution and how everything past a certain point is basically illegal, in their view.

Much low-key eye-rolling and head-shaking passed between my friend and me, when the group-leader wasn't looking, as he prattled on without noticing. We didn't need to ask many questions, as the indoctrinator was never lacking description. Despite insulting Jewish comments, somehow my friend maintained calm. Besides, we certainly felt as if we were in the home camp of a hostile group, and could easily have been attacked if we revealed ourselves as non-believers.

We were both speechless as we drove away. We stopped by a favorite Mexican restaurant to more or less silently decompress over margaritas for a couple of hours. It was an astonishing and appalling experience.

Afterword: the guy who sent us gave up on his temporary romance with Sovereign citizens. He decided to follow their lead and not register his car. He was stopped, decided to espouse his beliefs to the LAPD officers, wherein they had his car towed and impounded. None of the big mouthed leaders of the sovereign group, with which he had affiliated himself, were willing to step up and help him get his car back !!!

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You sound like you've been hired by Joseph Goebbel's N**i propaganda machine. The SS would have loved you.

EmilyD

drlarrygino wrote:

You sound like you've been hired by Joseph Goebbel's N**i propaganda machine. The SS would have loved you.

They can't say anything good about Bribem Biden, so they're still harping on Trump and his millions and millions of supporters. Is this going to go on for 4 more years?

Pathetic...

tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

The Republican members of Congress had the opportunity to hold djt accountable for J** 6th, but they didn't. Subsequently, they had another opportunity to step up to do the responsible thing when it came to standing against the maniacal Marjorie Greene, and they did not.

So moving forward as a country, which is absolutely necessary, the Radical Right Wingers (and other Conservs) will already be screaming bloody foul that Joe and the Dems never meant it when we said we wanted to work together.

The ineffectual Repubs have become the architects of their own self-fulfilling demise.

Sicilianthing

tNotMyPrez wrote:

Watch "Trump Supporters Now Say Trump Will Be Sworn In As President On March 4" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/WlTrFILCB6I

Being around a group meeting of those types made me feel as if I needed to go thru a nuclear decontamination "scrub down".

I can tell you, these people are THREE SUITS short of a full deck, yet they are "deadly" serious about their beliefs. Thru a friend of a friend, who got sucked in to the crazy Sovereign movement, I was invited to attend one of their Insider events in the mid-90s.

They only use the N-word to refer to black people. They speak in a derogatory fashion of the Jewish. Inexplicably, there are women in the movement, even though the core group of male leaders vocally assert that it's never been legal for women to v**e any more than it ever was for the "jungle bunnies", "towel heads" or "Latin invaders". The Confederate Battle F**g was present and you could tell, with them, that s***ery would be right around the corner.

My friend that I went with is Jewish (but they didn't ask names, and she doesn't "look like a Jew", wh**ever that means, something the guy repetitively spoke). They were obviously attentive to new people as potential recruits. As two lowly women, we were "assigned" to one of the elder guys who spoke eloquently (and stupidly, wrongly) about the original Constitution and how everything past a certain point is basically illegal, in their view.

Much low-key eye-rolling and head-shaking passed between my friend and me, when the group-leader wasn't looking, as he prattled on without noticing. We didn't need to ask many questions, as the indoctrinator was never lacking description. Despite insulting Jewish comments, somehow my friend maintained calm. Besides, we certainly felt as if we were in the home camp of a hostile group, and could easily have been attacked if we revealed ourselves as non-believers.

We were both speechless as we drove away. We stopped by a favorite Mexican restaurant to more or less silently decompress over margaritas for a couple of hours. It was an astonishing and appalling experience.

Afterword: the guy who sent us gave up on his temporary romance with Sovereign citizens. He decided to follow their lead and not register his car. He was stopped, decided to espouse his beliefs to the LAPD officers, wherein they had his car towed and impounded. None of the big mouthed leaders of the sovereign group, with which he had affiliated himself, were willing to step up and help him get his car back !!!

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Whattabuncha crap you’re full of crap !

Get the blank outta here!

Big Kahuna

Sicilianthing wrote:

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Whattabuncha crap you’re full of crap !

Get the blank outta here!

Snot my Prez needs to get out of Dodge while the gettins good.

tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

Sicilianthing wrote:

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Whattabuncha crap you’re full of crap !

Get the blank outta here!

No. You first !!!