crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

[quote=slatten49]Fri, Jan 22, by Leland Shenfield

I am an American.

Trump had already stated he would not concede due to e******n f***d.

So let’s talk, honestly and fairly, as these are very strong claims:

Trump supporters allege that there is e******n f***d, and that this e******n f***d cost Trump the Presidency. They say they have proof that this fraud was widespread and coordinated.

The result of their fervent application of the United States Justice system is the following:

All the courts have thrown out, with prejudice, their claims.

All State Legislatures have thrown out their claims, or just refused to hear them.

The head of security for the e******ns, appointed by Trump, said that the e******n was secure and fair. He was fired.

The Attorney General of the United States, probably one of the most ardent Trump supporters that isn’t part of the general population, said there is no evidence of fraud.

IF there was e******n f***d, it would have had to be massive, coordinated, and multi-state.

As e******n officials are from all political stripes, Republicans would have to have been complicit in this massive e******n f***d.

There is not a single e******n board, Lt. Governor, or e******n official that says there was any evidence of fraud AT ALL. Not a single one.

The Supreme Court of the United States gave this response to the complaint that came before them: “The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied.” That is SCOTUS-speak for “talk to the hand”.

So, we as Americans have a simple, binary choice:

Trump is arguing with the officials and fans after the game is over, and at the same time setting up a Lost Cause grievance, and his supporters have deluded themselves into believing that there was fraud because they simply cannot accept that they lost. The result of this is that Donald Trump would waive every citizen’s Constitutional rights, effectively destroying the very fabric of this nation in order to support their need for power, OR he lost the e******n fair and square and our nation continues on. Because in the end, one man or even one party is not important. The strength of our nation is important.

Seriously, it is that simple.

Anyone who would consider such a drastic course of action should consider the following items:

In a democracy, should any one party be able to question the integrity of an e******n without more than anecdotal evidence?

Once the judicial system has ruled, should any political party that is truly dedicated to the rule of law and the fabric of our republic and its continuation continue to contest the e******n?

Should any state political party call for a civil war to contest an e******n?

And finally, and this is important: if a sitting President refuses to accept publicly the outcome of an e******n that is determined by e******n officials and the judiciary to be free and fair, whether that president leaves or not, should that ex-president be re-nominated by his political party?

I believe, as a proud American and a republican who has lost his party to nationalistic, jingoistic hooligans, that what the Republican Party did was s*******s, unpatriotic, and toxic to our nation.

Save smart, sensible, fiscal conservatism with a heart for the people, an ear for our challenges, and respect for our republic.[/quote

Hi Slatten,

We disagree on this one or at least I disagree with Leland Shenfield.

As to the court cases that he cites in his dismissal of fraud claims, most of the courts simply dismissed them without hearing any evidence on the basis of lack of standing, i.e. lack of injury. Often, a petitioner has to show injury for the courts to hear a case.

In one case, the court dismissed Texas’ claim on that. What could be more injurious to all Americans than fraud in a p**********l e******n?

The Pennsylvania case was the worst. The state Supreme Court had no standing to make any decision. Many have pointed out the wording of the Constitution that confers the power to decide e*****rs on the legislatures.

There were hundreds of signed affidavits attesting to cases of fraud. Those signers would have been guilty of perjury for lies.


I am a libertarian Republican and remain a Trump supporter. Joe Biden will never be my president.

Take care.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

[Qoute=Unintended Cosequences][quote=Wolf counselor) "I personally am exceedingly amused by the very idea that you poor dumb Goobers actually accept this dufus as your leader."

"The amount of gaslighting and purposeful obtuseness that has been employed over the last several years is just incredible. (Most of) these people are not dumb. They could see what we all saw, yet for purely political reasons they acted blind to it all. Not only that, they chastised and tried to shame anyone who would dare speak the t***h. There’s a bit of poetic justice in seeing their narrative blow up in their faces."

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Hi Slatten,

We disagree on this one or at least I disagree with Leland Shenfield.

As to the court cases that he cites in his dismissal of fraud claims, most of the courts simply dismissed them without hearing any evidence on the basis of lack of standing, i.e. lack of injury. Often, a petitioner has to show injury for the courts to hear a case.

In one case, the court dismissed Texas’ claim on that. What could be more injurious to all Americans than fraud in a p**********l e******n?

The Pennsylvania case was the worst. The state Supreme Court had no standing to make any decision. Many have pointed out the wording of the Constitution that confers the power to decide e*****rs on the legislatures.

There were hundreds of signed affidavits attesting to cases of fraud. Those signers would have been guilty of perjury for lies.


I am a libertarian Republican and remain a Trump supporter. Joe Biden will never be my president.

Take care.[/quote]
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Thanks for your solid response, C-L However, from an earlier thread/post...

Worth reading thoroughly...

https://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2020/12/21/legal-technicalities-to-dismiss-trump-e******n-lawsuits-are-important-to-the-legal-system/

https://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2020/12/16/trump-e******n-lawsuits-are-an-embarrassment-to-discrimination-lawsuits/

Nirrad

If you add 10 soiled diapers to your pail, at the end of the day,upon recount , you will still have 10 soiled diapers in your pail. Is it right to go along,to get along or stand up for what is right. Only oneself can answer for himself. What does your conscience say about how you live your life?

moldyoldy

So much underhanded dealing by trump is coming out now that makes the i**********n incitement seem minuscule.

Smedley_buzkill

The PA state legislature practically begged the Congress to hold off on certifying their E*******l v**es when they found 200,000 more v**es than v**ers. The GA Senate Judiciary Committee v**ed unanimously to conduct a forensic audit of the D******n v****g machines which gave Democrats their narrow victory after it was shown to them, in real time, the exact process to hack the machines and change v**es. It was blocked by Governor Kemp. These two instances alone were enough to change the outcome of the e******n. GA has found more than 6000 mail in b****ts mailed to recipients who gave their address as a motel. More than 2000 more to recipients who gave a government building as an address. This is not conspiracy theory, Lon, you know me better than that. This is blatant fraud. In an e******n this close there doesn't have to be much, just the right amount in the right places. The "signature audit" was a sham. While the GA Bureau of Investigation was involved, they only investigated "random" b****ts provided by the weasel who currently dens up in the Sec/State's Office.
I have no idea what the SCOTUS' reasoning was to not hear certain cases. I do know that some cases were filed lacking evidence that has recently turned up.
Leland Sheffield is mistaken on a couple of counts; first, that "all state legislatures have thrown out such claims." Pennsylvania and GA did not, they were blocked by governors. Arizona is just now getting access to what is left of evidence they subpoenaed well over a month ago.
There has never been a US e******n that has been free of fraud; it's just usually ignored unless there is enough of it to have an impact.

Big Kahuna

Satan, why do you still insist about Lieing about the e******n f***d. We all know that the courts are frightened to hear anything regarding the millions of illegally cast v**es for Bribem. They know that the proof will be shown that Trump indeed won both the e*******l v**e and the popular v**e. Slo T*****r Joe couldn't even get 100 of his supporters to show up at his phony inauguration. Bribem is just another imposter much like community agitator Bathhouse Barry ovommit was.

Smedley_buzkill

I**********n? Who the hell are you trying to kid? Trump supporters have most of the firearms, most of the veterans and most of the cops and there are more than 75million of us. If we insurrected you'd know it.

Smedley_buzkill

No wonder Liberals are so happy. They will probably be ecstatic when Biden cannot finish his term, and Kameltoe, who dropped out of the p**********l primary when she could not manage to poll one percent, takes over as leader of the once free world.

Big Kahuna

Moldy probably wouldn't be here if the i**********n by the Patriots was real!!! I'm actually surprised that Nanny Peeloosli called in the National Guard to protect her sorrowful a$$. I thought she would have called in the MS-13 gang bangers to protect her and her parties elite political class. After all, they do love their criminals. Look how Slo Joe has already signed an EO for ICE to release the criminal i******s in their custody.

bahmer

Amen and Amen

moldyoldy

Kemp threw out minority v***r r**********ns so that he could be elected. Now you think he would go the other way suddenly? No, he knows there is no case.

moldyoldy

All of those people are not i***ts, they know trump lost.

Big Kahuna

Little Greta Thunberg, the little climate h**xter, could lead this crew of demorat degenerates.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Mornin' my friend. As posted on other threads....

Worth reading thoroughly, neither very long...

https://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2020/12/21/legal-technicalities-to-dismiss-trump-e******n-lawsuits-are-important-to-the-legal-system/

https://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2020/12/16/trump-e******n-lawsuits-are-an-embarrassment-to-discrimination-lawsuits/

Also...

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/e******ns/2020/11/26/fact-check-trumps-claim-about-v**es-exceeding-v**ers-in-swing-states/115051852/