nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

True story and no $h1t!!!

wilpharm

we do not need to stoop as low as B*M & A****A and the other portland scum

JohnCorrespondent

Yeah, people v**ed. And Trump didn't win. Pretty bad, huh? (not)

debeda

If only that was how e******ns were run. People v****g. Citizens. V****g. Just once. With a numbered b****t so their v**e could not be duplicated.

Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. Loc: Pa

As I understand it:
B****ts are numbered (with barcodes)
The b****t is matched with v**er files to prevent duplicate v****g

debeda

That all went out the window with random mail b****ts.

wilpharm

i******s?? what friggin v**er files???

JohnCorrespondent

My v**e-by-mail b****t (in California) had a barcode on it. That must identify something (at least as well as a "number", I suppose). (The b****t also had numbers on it. I don't know what they all meant.) And I had to request it. I actually went in person a few weeks before the e******n, to pick up the b****t at a time when I didn't have to wait in line. The clerk asked for my identifying information and printed out a b****t specific to me, not just an anonymous b****t. Mail-in b****ts (in California) identify the v**er and have barcodes.

How would I have gotten a mail-in b****t if I weren't a registered v**er? Steal one from somebody's mailbox? Wouldn't they complain to the registrar when they didn't receive one? The registrar _could_ keep a list of everybody who said they didn't receive the mailed b****t. Suppose I didn't receive my mail-in b****t in the mail, because somebody else stole it from my mailbox or en route. I would request a replacement b****t. Later, the b****t counting machine _could_ (presumably) "catch" the duplicate b****t if both the thief and I v**ed under the same name. (The b****t-counting machine would read the identifying barcodes.) How often has such duplication been reported? How often has such theft been reported? Does anyone have a list of the names of people who had reported their b****t was missing -- or even a list of the people who requested duplicate b****ts? Why not submit such a list as evidence that something was going wrong that might be fraud? But all we hear from the courts has been that the Trump campaign's cases have either nothing to show as evidence or nothing consequential enough that could change the outcome of the e******n. Some of these judges are Republicans; some, like three on the U.S. Supreme Court, were even appointed by Trump himself, and even _they_ didn't find his case worthwhile -- and didn't even bother to write any dissenting opinion, if there was any.

These e******n systems are designed to catch v***r f***d. Not just that, but I mean, that's part of the design.

I'm not saying there's no v***r f***d at all. But it wouldn't be worth the trouble: one b****t stolen (_if_ counted by the b****t-counting machine) (_if_ accepted by the b****t-counting machine because the barcode is unique) equals one extra v**e for one candidate and one fewer v**es for another candidate (regarding the p**********l race itself). And the fraudster might get caught. It wouldn't be worth the risk.

If _I_ were going to steal _anything_ from anybody's mailbox, I'd want it to be worth the risk! Shall I risk jail time -- what is it, more than a year in jail if one gets caught stealing the mail -- or likely deportation if I'm an i*****l i*******t -- just so I can flip ONE V**E from Trump to Biden? Bwa-ha-hah! the criminal mastermind has flipped one v**e from Trump to Biden -- that ought to be worth, what ...?

Why have so _few_ gotten caught? "Rutgers Professor Lorraine Minnite, the nation's top v**e f***d expert, found just six verified cases of v**er impersonation over 12 years of our nation's e******ns." The quote is from page 28 of _How Trump Stole 2020_ by Greg Palast, who, himself, is an investigative reporter who has been writing best-sellers about U.S. e******ns for the past 20 years. If _he_ doesn't know what he's talking about, why haven't people made an issue of it? I mean, he's right there out in the open, publishing best-sellers about U.S. e******ns, and about what fraud exists and is consequential, and (lately) revealing which kind of fraud doesn't exist or is inconsequential. Would anyone like to point out some significant flaws in his work?

What exactly are some "v**er-fraud" perpetrators doing -- don't just say "fraud", but describe more precisely what they're doing so we can analyze the situation and see how it might work.

Why is there such a lack of concern (among many Republicans) about the far more consequential matters of v**er roll purging in wrong ways, lack of sufficient numbers of drop boxes, f**e drop boxes, and various other targeted e******n tricks, most of which are done mainly by officials, that stop hundreds of thousands of legal (repeat: legal) v**ers from v****g?

debeda

Because states and counties dont do periodic v**er roll purges, there are many deceased people on their rolls, as well as people who have moved either within the state or out of state. There are many states that give i******s drivers licenses, which makes it easy as pie to get registered to v**e (we in Illinois have a big problem with that). B****ts run through machines again and again is another problem. As far as bar codes on b****ts, I am not sure all or even most states have that. I will look into that further. But if you look up Clark County Nevada, they found 132,000 bad b****ts in an internal audit. People v****g multiple times, people registered at non existent addresses, dead people v****g, non citizens v****g. And that's just one large county in one state

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Out the window by order of those not constitutionally ordained to have the power to do it also.

debeda

Yep. But now we're expected to "live with it". Live with the illegal decisions of a few people. That affects the whole country. Perfect😠

jwrevagent

Presumably, I could start as soon as requests for mail in b****ts were accepted, and use different names, different addresses, different SSN's for ID if no picture ID is required, and order b****ts under all sorts of names and addresses-for instance a non existent apartment building with 160 apartments-then set up a hold to collect my mail, because I would be out of town and I want the PO to hold my mail. I start requesting to r******r to v**e say, a year or so before the e******n-now I am set to v**e multiple times, bar code or no, and there you are. The problem I have heard about is in the v****g machines themselves, set to change v**es or allow multiple v**es from one person. With mail in b****ts with few restrictions, fraud is not only possible but guaranteed. So look to those who worked hardest and insisted this be done in a hurry to change the rules for mail in b****ting, and you have the perps of the fraud. And the legislatures that went along with it, the governors that allowed it-they are the most likely to be involved in the fraud that cancelled my v**e and made it irrelevant. I do not know if that happened, but it is possible, so I go on that premise. Some one stole my v**e, not only once but many many times. Nuts! And you wonder why we do not trust the outcome of this e******n? Really? Just exactly how ignorant do you believe ALL of the American e*****rate is?

JohnCorrespondent

Thank you for those details.

A unique identification on a b****t may be key. You suggested a number, and here we have a barcode and some numbers.

Another important thing is a paper trail (so as to be able to go back and check the process if necessary).

In past e******ns one of the things that bothered me was Diebold v****g machines. I think there should have been some kind of lawsuit about those.

debeda

Exactly!!

debeda

Yes. And I hope there is a lawsuit and CONSEQUENCES for the current v****g machines😠