Opal12

Yes, I do not know everything. But I know what I am talking about, otherwise I keep my mouth shut.

The Christians to which you are referring at the time of the Muslin domination of Spain have nothing to do with "the Christians " who later on burnt people because they were witches and "non believers" and organized the two Crusades. You need to review your historical knowledge.

The Christians that went to Spain where running away from the roman persecution. They were people from all the cultural groups at the time and some of them educated people. Included Hebrew people who had converted under Jesus' teachings who by the way was also a Hebrew, and possibly the next King because of being a descendant of David through both parents. That was confirmed by the visit of the three old wise men with royal gifts. But this requires a separate book.

Those first Christians lived in small communities, helping each other and sharing everything they had. Hebrews and Muslins also lived a communitarian life and everybody respected each other. 500 years, almost twice the existence of the USA. I would say a successful experiment.

To understand the "new Christians" you need to read all the contemporary writings of the time. When I do my research I do not like "digested information", I prefer to go to the historians and writers that lived at the time I am studying.

If you do, you will find out that Saul(Paul) and Peter had a terrible fight because Saul wanted to spread what he had learnt from Jesus to non Hebrew people. After that they went their separate ways. (This would require two or three books to clearly explain it)

Let's only say that Saul(Paul) after years of persecuting the first Christians who were tortured and finally k**led, drinking like a dry sponge, violating every woman and girl that crossed his way, one day suffered a possible epileptic episode, exhausted because of it fell in a deep sleep and had a dream. You can interpret the dream as you please. But, after it, he is full of guilt and decides to teach what he has learnt from Jesus to anybody who wants to listen.

At that time, there were no radio, no tv, no theatre for the populace. The only entertainment were the old people tales and the preachers.

To explain the first Rome that later became the Vatican you need to read several books. Let's say that the most important are those written by the original participants of the Templars and the Jesuits. Both military oriented groups. They are free at Amazon.com

Hitler propaganda pales in comparison to the systems for both orders. Goebbels must have read the same books I mention. As for Hitler he did not cover up anything he simply brainwashed a country. Whoever did not like it ended up in a concentration camp. Besides, he was so crazy that he himself believed his own lies. That was the reason for the military revolt that tried to k**l him. They saw through his sick mind.

Rome known later on as the Vatican wanted to create by any available way a system of absolute obedience to the rules. You see, the control of the mind is the final objective of those who love power.

Spain and the Spanish Christian society of the time was a slap on the face of Rome(Vatican) and they decided to destroy it. And those first Christians that lived according to Jesus' teachings, loving each other, shearing and helping each other ended tortured and burnt because they were the enemy to the new power hungry Church of Rome.

Please, let me know if you find any similitude between the first Christians and the Roman Christians with the exception of the name.

Flavius Josephus is a historian that describes with detail the condition of Israel at the time of Jesus birth. The tribes had been in constant war among themselves what brought about first the Greek and then the Roman invasion.

Jesus teaches to the Hebrew people about peace, love and respect for each other. He does not care if people from other cultural groups want to listen, too. But his message is mainly for the Hebrew tribes. He wants them to become united in order to be strong and one day be able fight back against the invader. He is not the only one, there were many Zealots at the time but Jesus had been exposed to other cultures and he was the most eloquent. He was preparing to be a King for all his people.

John, the Baptist, who knew Jesus was born and would be the King advises his people of his coming. You see, Homestead, that is the problem of mixing religion and politics. But, at that time, they were mixed and the High Priest was the Supreme Judge. Same as Muslins nowadays, who never evolved from the original pattern.

Saul (Paul) letters, the ones he wrote, not the ones written for him are extremely revealing. The Death Sea Rolls are revealing too and they were written at the time of Jesus not like the Gospels chosen by Rome (Vatican) that were not written by the Apostles but by unknown writers a generation later but adjudicated to the Apostles.

The Old Testament was written in Old Aramaic, then t***slated into old Hebrew, then t***slated into Old Greek and Old Latin. Then to current Hebrew, current Greek and current Latin. And finally to other current languages. Now, the different denominations have started to periodically review it trying to correct the t***slation, I should say interpretation given to each paragraph and the words that make it.

There is an Aramaic organization that nowadays is trying to t***slate the Old Testament from the original old Aramaic but it is difficult even for them that talk in Aramaic. Try to read something in Anglo-Saxon and you will understand their difficulty. I remember my battle with Beowulf and the sleepless nights I spent in my teens trying to t***slate it to present English.

Languages are very much alive and constantly change with the pass of time and the evolution of society.

Let me know if you need more info. I won't give you sites that -if you are interested on the subject - you can find by yourself in the Internet, ie. The Thomas Gospel.

Homestead

You want to spend a t lot of time on the Christians.
Rome had ended before Muhammed created Islam and started the Caliph**e.
What's not known is Islam and it's effects on world history.

Then, as now, it is not the Christian who established a Christian Caliph**e, at the point of a sword, that's been going for 1,400 hundred years and still going on.

The rise of Rome started in 753 BC by twin sons Romulus and Remus and it ended in 476 C.E, when Romulus, the last of the Roman emperors in the west, was o*******wn by the Germanic leader Odoacer, who became the first Barbarian to rule in Rome.

Muhammad’s Islamic Caliph**e started when he left Mecca with 150 followers in 622.

There is a 100 year separation between old Rome and Muhammed.

You make a big deal about the Christians being different between the ones in Spain and the ones that came to America.

You don't mention a thing about Muhammed rewriting Muslim religion creating a Frankenstein religion from Muslim, Jewish and Christian text, with his own writings thrown in to boot.

The Muslim religion before Muhammed is not the same religion after Muhammed.



Here's a news flash for you.

Romans are not beheading little children demanding a conversion to Islam.
Jews are not beheading little children demanding a conversion to Islam.
Christians are not beheading little children demanding conversion to Islam.



Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&feature=youtu.be

Michael Savage Interviews Walid Shoebat on ISIS, Iraq & The Muslim Sisterhood
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/video/video/show?id=4301673%3AVideo%3A3019710&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_video


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THE STORY OF MUHAMMED,
Islam unveiled
By Harry Richardson

This book is dedicated to all the people of the world, wh**ever their beliefs may be.

After studying Islamic doctrine and history, I soon realised that almost all of what is conveyed to us regarding Islam, its goals and its influence on the actions and beliefs of Muslims, is entirely wrong. This lack of understanding has been the root cause of the horrendous policy failures in such areas as the “War on terror,” Middle Eastern foreign policy, the Arab- Israeli conflict and so forth, which tend to dominate our daily news cycle.
It is also clear that the reason for these failures, is an almost total lack of knowledge of the doctrine of Islam amongst all sections of Western society; from politicians, academics, journalists, teachers, right on down to the man in the street. Given the rapidly rising threats from Islamic “extremists” and the growing number of conflicts involving Muslims, this would seem to be a failure of epic proportions.
It is precisely for this reason that I have written this book. I wanted it to be widely read, and so I have tried to make it as simple and entertaining as possible. It is reasonably short, and avoids any hint of dry theological discussion. If you have an interest in what lies behind the news stories we see every day, you should hopefully find it both interesting and relevant.
By the end, you should also have a good grasp of the doctrine of Islam, what this doctrine expects of Muslims, and how that affects the societies in which Muslims are living. Most importantly, this knowledge will give you a whole new understanding of issues involving Islam. Conflicts around the globe, terrorism, immigration, treatment of women etc, can never be properly understood without a basic grasp of Islamic doctrine.
Islamic scholars have always known that the key to understanding Islam is the story of Mohammed’s life. This is good news, because Mohammed was an extremely interesting character.

Fighting against Islam?
A new weapon is now available.
http://thestoryofmohammed.blogspot.com.au/p/blog-page.html
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Opal12

Sir, I would appreciate if you read what I wrote and did not add anything to my piece.

I would also appreciate that you quote each of the paragraphs that you disagree with. And please be careful to show whether it is before of after Christ when you mention a date. That period of time we are talking about is relatively tricky as dates are concerned.

I appreciate your cooperation because I am unable to understand your commentary as written.

And keep in mind, you are talking about Mohammed and the First Caliph**e and the first writings and the second writings. Please remember that at that time reading and writing were teachings only available to a very few, maybe
a 0.001% of the population, particularly in the area we are talking about.

Mohammed received all the info in dreams DURING 23 CONSECUTIVE YEARS from Gabriel. Because his followers could not read/write and maybe he knew numbers and very limited writing himself, he made verses with what Gabriel told him and that is the way he taught the country men who repeated those verses as prayers. This is the revelation that Gabriel gave Mohammed.

I never either mention the American Christians or the Romans as having anything to do with the Quran. I mention Rome BUT I AM VERY CAREFUL TO SPECIFY THAT THAT WAS THE FIRST NAME GIVEN TO THE CURRENT VATICAN. Change that happened years later at the time Italy tried to separate from the economic rule by the Church who kept its first bank in Venice. Italy had no choice but give up the land where the Churches, Administration and Bank are nowadays located and became what we know as the Vatican.

Homestead

"please be careful to show whether it is before of after Christ when you mention a date"

Since I'm trying to get to the untold history of Islam and that history didn't begin until Muhammed left Mecca for Medina in 622,
It wouldn't involve anything about Christians before that time.

The ancient history of the Muslims plays a part, in that Muhammad destroyed the Muslim religion when he wrote the Koran. From Muhammed forward the Muslim religion is no more, there is only Islam.


IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT,
then you have to explain the following:
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"To be a Muslim means to accept that Mohammed was the perfect Human Being. His life is the example for all Muslims to follow in every way possible. Of course not all Muslims are very successful in this endeavour but the level of devoutness of a Muslim is judged by how closely he follows Mohammed’s example and teachings. This fact is not disputed in Islam, which is why it is so important to know this story. There is even a word to describe Mohammed’s behaviour, which is “Sunnah”"

"The story of Muhammed" by Harry Richardson
Understand Islam through the story of its founder Mohammed
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If to be a Muslim, is to follow Muhammed, then what was a Muslim before Muhammed came?
The Muslims go back to Ishmael, one of Abraham’s sons and Abraham's ancestors go back to mosses..
No Muhammed existed back then and wouldn't for thousands of years.

They call Muhammed a prophet, but, that would only apply if the religion he touted was a least similar to what it was before.

To make a comparison you have to know what the religion was before and compare it to what Muhammed wrote.

Since Abraham is a descendant of Moses, the root of Islam and the Jews should have the same foundations, as they both come from the same root.
At the root of the Jewish and Christian religion is the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule.

Are those two thing any part of Islam, after Muhammed?

To know that, one must examine Islam.


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"The story of Muhammed" by Harry Richardson
Understand Islam through the story of its founder Mohammed

Bibliography
The original source of most of this material is a book called Sirat Rasul Allah (The story of the Prophet of Allah) or just The Sira by Ibn Ishaq, who is the most revered and trusted Muslim scholar of all time. This work was completed around 100 yrs after Mohammed’s death, (making it the oldest surviving biography of Mohammed) and is the absolute definitive biographical account of Mohammed’s life for students of Islam.
It was t***slated into English in 1955 by Professor of Arabic, A. Guillaume, under the title The Life of Mohammed with the help of a number of Arab professors. This is still the most widely used English t***slation for both Muslims and non-Muslims.
This direct t***slation has been superbly simplified and rearranged, by an organization called the Centre for the Study of Political Islam. They have also included some material from other well trusted sources that gives clarity and context to a story, which previously took enormous amounts of painstaking study to understand. The title of their book is Mohammed and the Unbelievers. Most of the quotes used will come from this book (which is referenced back to The Sira by a system of margin numbers contained in the original text).



"The story of Muhammed" by Harry Richardson
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Author’s Comments:
Before I get too far into Islam, I want to give a very brief overview of Christianity. Like it or not, if you grew up in a “Western” country then your ethics, your sense of right and wrong, are based upon Christian teachings, as are the laws which our society makes. People who grow up in different cultures may have a different definition of what is right and wrong. To give an example, what a Viking might have considered to be “the right thing to do,” would probably be seen as seriously anti-social in modern day Denmark.
Islam has a set of ethics. In order to explain these ethics I will sometimes be comparing them to Christian ethics, not because I’m promoting Christianity, but because most Westerners, (including myself) understand it far better than for instance Hinduism or Buddhism.
The basis of Christian (and Jewish) ethics is the Ten Commandments which we are all probably familiar with. Don’t steal, c***t, lie, k**l, covet etc. These are then capped off with the Golden Rule which is:

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

From the Golden Rule are derived the other principles of freedom of speech, the rule of law, e******y, tolerance etc. which underpin the laws and customs of most Western countries. Growing up in a society based on this Golden Rule, we tend to believe that it is universal, and not even remotely a radical idea. Keep in mind however, that the man who popularized this idea 2000 years ago, got nailed to a tree for it.
Despite this, the idea gained currency, and continued to spread. By the time of Mohammed’s birth, Christianity was the dominant religion throughout almost all of the Middle East, North Africa and Europe.
The Golden Rule and the Ten Commandments however, ARE NOT the basis for every religion and society. As you will soon find out they are definitely not the basis of Islam.
The difficulty with explaining Islam, is that it is a bit like a giant jigsaw puzzle. I could show you a single piece of a jigsaw, and tell you that it is a tiger’s nose for instance. Although it might not look like a tiger’s nose, it is not until you see it surrounded by the other pieces that you can tell what it really is. Some of the things I write may seem strange, or even ridiculous to someone who has grown up in a Western country with Christian based ethics, but please persevere. Hopefully by the time you finish this book you will be able to see each piece in the context of the whole picture.
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Mohammed stayed in Mecca for thirteen years after declaring himself a prophet. The first half of the Koran was written during this time, and is known as the Koran of Mecca. The revelations in the Meccan Koran tell repeatedly that Mohammed is the Messenger of God, and that all those who disbelieve him will burn in hell. There are also stories of people from the past, who rejected the prophets that were sent to them. These people consequently were destroyed, and are now burning in hell.
According to Mohammed, many of the biblical prophets such as Abraham, Moses, and even Jesus (who he claimed was not the son of God but a prophet) were Muslims. No mention of the Islamic religion has ever been found prior to Mohammed however. He further claimed that he was the last in the line of these prophets, and that the Koran was God’s final message.
The Koran takes a number of stories from the Bible, and retells them quite differently, in order to make a different point. In this retelling, the message is always about how the Jews ignored their prophets, and therefore were punished by God.
This is the religious part of the Koran, which contains the biblical stories and religious themes. Mohammed used these basic themes quite skilfully to answer most of the questions his critics put to him.
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The story of Muhammed" by Harry Richardson

Important facts:
Muslims obviously believe that Mohammed was the final Prophet of Allah. From a non Muslim viewpoint however he was simply a genius who designed and defined Islam for a singular purpose, to make the whole world worship him (or to worship Allah through him which is pretty much the same thing).
To do this, he made sure that Islam could never be changed. Mohammed insisted that to be a Muslim, a person must declare that there is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet (there are four other “pillars” of Islam but this is the most important by far). This is the definition of what it means to be a Muslim. Mohammed also declared himself to be the last prophet of Islam cleverly closing the door on the chance of anyone hijacking his religion down the track. Despite claiming to be the last in the line of Jewish prophets he also ensured that the Jews could have no claim on his religion. Mohammed insisted that the Jews (and Christians) had falsified their Bible in order to hide the fact that he had been prophesied in the real one (evidence does not support this claim). He also forbade Muslims from reading the Bible or the Torah (Jewish Bible). Muslims therefore can only read about Biblical prophets such as Abraham or Moses, through Mohammed’s retelling, which is quite different, sometimes illogically so, from the original Bible stories.
The point to all this is that Mohammed is not just a central figure in Islam, Mohammed IS Islam. Churchill referred to Muslims as Mohammedans, (people who follow Mohammed) which is a fairly accurate description. To be a Muslim is to believe that Mohammed is the perfect man, and that the Koran, as revealed to Mohammed only, is the perfect (and only) word of Allah. A true Muslim would therefore follow the words of Allah, as found in the Koran, and the example, or traditions of Mohammed which are recorded in his biographies.
This clever design of Islam means that it can never be changed. The Koran can’t be changed because it is the perfect word of Allah, and Mohammed’s life can’t be changed because he’s dead.
Muslims are incredibly serious about how perfect the Koran is. To give an example of this, several chapters of the Koran start with three Arabic letters. No one knows what this means but they will never be removed because the Koran is perfect and unalterable.
To summarize then; Islam is Mohammed, Islam has never changed, Islam will never change. To change Islam, you would have to take Mohammed out of it, and then it wouldn’t be Islam any more. As Barry Sheene so eloquently put it,
“If my uncle was a woman he’d be my [word deleted] Aunty.” It is a logical absurdity. Christianity changed and evolved because it is based on broad principles, such as the golden rule, which can be debated and interpreted. There isn’t much to debate with Mohammed, he either did something or he didn’t, so people who think that Islam should, or even could, change are likely to be disappointed.
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The story of Muhammed" by Harry Richardson

3) Muslims in general are very ignorant of the details of their religion, this is not an accident. Most Muslims don’t speak Arabic and yet their books are written in an archaic form of it and Islamic scholars insist that these books cannot be t***slated. This is just one reason why, until recently, it was incredibly difficult to understand these books (or even to know which books were important) unless you were taught by Islamic scholars.
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Mohammed divided the world into the Muslims, who believed in him, and the Kaffirs, who did not. Now this division was set down in law, and became the basis of the Islamic religion.

This new legal code turned all the non-Muslims into distinctly second-class citizens. To avoid this discrimination, and because of pressure applied to them, many of the Arabs converted to Islam, although they did not truly believe. Mohammed referred to these so-called Muslims as “hypocrites”. Mohammed was now so powerful in Medina that no Arab would openly criticize him.
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The Koran
In one sense the Koran is the most important of the three sets of books. It makes up only around 18% of Islamic doctrine, and rather less if you take out the mountain of repetition it contains. Importantly however, it is considered to be the verbatim word of God, his last message to his faithful followers, and utterly perfect in every way.
To give yet another example of how seriously Muslims take this, Persian rug makers who produce incredibly beautiful and intricate silk and wool rugs, always put a tiny fault in each one, (although you or I would almost certainly never find it) because they believe that only the Koran is perfect, and therefore nothing else should be.
To reinforce this incredible importance, I will be highlighting any quotes which come from the Koran.
The Koran is not like the Bible which can be easily understood simply by reading it. Firstly, it is not written in chronological order. Instead, its chapters are arranged by length, with the longest first and the shortest last in order to make it easier to memorize.
On its own, this would probably be confusing enough. To make things even more confusing however, earlier verses are cancelled out, or “abrogated” by later ones.
The Koran was claimed by Mohammed, to be the verbatim Word of God. It soon became clear to people however that different parts of the Koran contradicted each other. When questioned about this, Mohammed brought forth a new verse:

2:106 Wh**ever of Our revelations we repeal or cause to be forgotten, we will replace with something superior or comparable. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things? Do you not know that Allah reigns sovereign over the heavens and earth and besides him you have no protector or helper?

In fact, as many as 225 verses of the Koran are abrogated (cancelled) by later verses.
Since the Koran is not written in chronological order, and since later verses cancel earlier ones, it is therefore impossible to understand its meaning without knowing the order in which it was written. To do this you have to read it in conjunction with the other Islamic sacred texts, The Sira and the hadith.
Another barrier to understanding the Koran is the claim by Muslims that its meaning cannot be t***slated into another language. This claim is of course ridiculous. The Koran has been t***slated many times and these t***slations all give quite similar meanings. The Koran is written in poetic form which makes it easier to memorise. When t***slated into another language however, the poetry is lost, but the meaning remains.
Only one in five Muslims speaks Arabic, and very few of those who do so, would clearly understand the ancient thirteen hundred year old Arabic of the Koran. This makes a study of the Koran difficult, even for Muslims. For Kaffirs, (non-Muslims) it is even harder. Until recently, The Koran, and other Islamic holy books, had never been broken down and rearranged, to give a clear and concise meaning, which can easily be understood by a layman.
It may be tempting to dismiss these facts as simply the quirks of a religion which is still fundamentally similar to our own. It is also true that the Catholic Church once refused to allow the Bible to be t***slated out of ancient Latin. However, once we manage to get past these barriers and actually find the real message of Islam, the reason soon becomes clear.
Although Mohammed claimed that the Koran was God's final word, and contains everything that anyone would ever need to know, it is in fact quite limited in its scope. In reality therefore, although it is the most revered of the holy books, in terms of understanding Islam it is actually the least important. In fact, of the much vaunted “five pillars of Islam,” there is not enough information in the Koran to perform even one of these “pillars”. What the Koran does tell us repeatedly however, is that to be a true Muslim you must follow the example of Mohamed which is contained in The Sira and the hadith (the “Sunnah” of Mohammed).
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At this point, you ought to see what's going on.

I am looking into the actual history that is written by Muslims, about Muslims about their own faith, Islam.

Islam is a fraud, created and perpetuated by Muhammed and then his followers after his death. This is the history that is not found in the Western History books.

This book, though useful, is not the only book written on Islam, but, it is very good for the beginner.

Other sources are Arabs, brought up under Islam, that were so dedicated to Islam and what they were taught, from childhood, that they became PLO terrorists. Literally risking their lives, just for reading the bible, they studied it and realized what a fraud Islam was.

They know the history of their own lands and they now know what the West teaches and they are trying to fill in the major holes Western history has left.


Fighting against Islam?
A new weapon is now available.
http://thestoryofmohammed.blogspot.com.au/p/blog-page.html

Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&feature=youtu.be

Michael Savage Interviews Walid Shoebat on ISIS, Iraq & The Muslim Sisterhood
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/video/video/show?id=4301673%3AVideo%3A3019710&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_video

Three Stages of Jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_468896&feature=iv&src_vid=-SoXs0_rHY&v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

★ WHAT ISLAM IS NOT ★
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEXWjlgJ83E

Islam - What the West Needs to Know (full)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4xCdehrV96U#!

Terorrism in America: An Interview With Steve Klein spokes man for Innocents of the Muslims
Terrorism in America: An Interview With Steve Klein – NewsWithViews.TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuFFacx6re8
Steve Klein www.Atvsat.com

SHARIA LAW in AMERICA What You Need to Know - GOD HELP US! Viewer Discretion Advised)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PW62aQMy3_s

Interview With Walid Sheobat at 700 Club
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtvhtK8Ol98

Story of 3 former Islamic Terrorists accepting Jesus Christ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uIOIG-mlE8

Opal12

Well Homestead, I have to accept that I took the bait. You never answer direct questions but I gave you the opportunity to publish all your negative propaganda.

History is very complex. No explanation comes from one book that gives us the answers we are desperate to get. You sound like a Hitler follower that when confronted with a question about N**ism gives back a copy of "The book of the elders of Zion". To tell you the t***h I do not remember the exact title but it is something very similar.

I prefer not to assume anything and to read all the sides of the history that gets to my hands.

The same way that no painting is complete, even in Impressionism you need to have a very definite background that is a point of reference from where to depart in order to identify the subject of the painting.

You are unable to produce a logical answer based on your knowledge. It is the same than if today you only read the "blue" sites to have an idea of what is happening in our country. You ignore the "red" sites, the ultraconservative, the Tea Party,etc. and mainly the history of the United States including the Constitution, the Senate, the Congress, the Supreme Court, problems with capitalism, the Unions, the end of s***ery in the Southern States that now are desperate for cheap labor, increase in population, immigration from all over the world, the military industrial complex, wars, exploitation of natural resources in other countries where our corporations make exorbitant profits and destroy the local environment, the ine******y in the application of taxes, fugue of capital, the oil dollar, our gold reserve, ine******y in rights as applied to women, the constant pressure of religion in our secular government, etc, etc, etc, to the infinite.

To understand any problem you need to read a hundred books, ask yourself questions, arrive to your own informed conclusion, digest your knowledge and then try to reduce your idea to a minimum that anybody can understand.

All the material you provide has only one point in common, hatred for another tenet. Your pieces completely ignore historical facts or are taken out of
context. They have no back scenery to give as a reference point.

To be able to continue with this discussion, try to explain your criticism of my answer to you in your own words. Give me a piece of your mind.

Read my answer to your answer again and simply show me by quoting me where you think I am wrong. It is a simple request. Do you think you can do it?

Of course if you feel comfortable after showing all your barrage of negative info and do not care about the t***h, it is OK with me.

But when you answer remember the time in History we are writing about when the populace was entertained by throwing unarmed people to the arena to be eaten by hungry lions. This was the time of the big Roman ( nothing to do with the Vatican yet) thinkers, and also the time when a woman from the Court could request to be presented during the agave with the head of a Christian or enemy on a silver dish. And she did not get sick by it but smiled and looking in the eyes of the Emperor promised him a night full of pleasures.

Or gladiators cutting each other into pieces on the arena and being applauded or shouted off by the populace too. Or people being burnt in a public show. Decapitations, burning alive, stoning, brutality in all corners of the Empire. Yes, that is the beginning of our Civilization.

And also magnificent Art, magnificent architecture, and good dramas in the theaters built for the Court. The Greeks also had a lot to do with all this. In a way they sowed the seed.

History is a mixed salad where we cannot take a little green piece to get the full idea of the taste of all the salad. We need to fill our fork or our hand or a piece of unleavened bread, depending of the time we are talking about and have a full bunch of ingredients to savor the taste of the whole dish.

Homestead

"Well Homestead, I have to accept that I took the bait. You never answer direct questions but I gave you the opportunity to publish all your negative propaganda. "

How gracious of you to grant me an audience, I'm humbled and I prostrate myself at your feet, that you should come on down from your mighty ivory tower and bestow upon me this magnificent opportunity.

....................................NOT......................................

I find your attitude pompous and self serving.



As stated below, by Islam, every word of the Koran, is the words of God himself. Every word, unless it is cancelled by another section of the Koran itself, is valid for all time and cannot be questioned, cannot be reformed, cannot be changed, within an Islamic context.

What I am posting is the explanations of the religious texts of Muhammed.
This is what your calling, " negative propaganda."

So you are disbarging Islam, by claiming that the words of Muhammed are negative propaganda.

I'd be a little more careful about doing that, they behead people for much less.
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The Koran occupies a place that has no parallel in Western civilization.

The Koran is considered by Muslims and by traditional Islamic theology to be dictated, word for word, by God himself, by Allah himself, through the Angel Gabriel, to the Prophet Mohamed.

As a result, every word of it, is the words of God himself. Every word of the Koran, unless it is canceled by another section of the Koran itself, is valid for all time and
cannot be questioned,
cannot be reformed,
cannot be changed, within an Islamic context.

This means that moderate Muslims, peaceful Muslims, if they are sincere, have to reject entirely Koranic literalism. But, to do so, puts them outside the sphere of anything that has been considered orthodox Islam throughout history, because to do so, is to reject the very basic premise of Islam, that this is a book, that is dictated by God and is a perfect copy of a perfect book the, “oomalkutab.” (Arabic spelling unknown) The mother of the book that has existed forever with Allah in heaven.

What the West needs to know about Islam. 10:37 – 11:55 (time marks)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4xCdehrV96U#!
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"To understand any problem you need to read a hundred books, ask yourself questions, arrive to your own informed conclusion, digest your knowledge and then try to reduce your idea to a minimum that anybody can understand. "

Under Islam there is only one book, the Koran.


The history of Rome is known.
The history of the Crusaders are known.

The history of Muhammed and Islam is not known.
This is what I am focused on.

Until you know the history of Islam, what can you compare it to?