Dolchstosslegende : Believing the Unbelievable: Dolchstosslegende is hard to pronounce but it t***slates from German to "stab-in-the-back-myth". This myth was manufactured by German...

straightUp Loc: California

Dolchstosslegende is hard to pronounce but it t***slates from German to "stab-in-the-back-myth". This myth was manufactured by German conservatives in 1918 that refused to accept defeat in WW1.

In reality, German generals begged the Kaiser to sign an armistice agreement and he eventually did to prevent further slaughtering of the German armies and suffering of the German people. All signs indicated that defeat was eminent and to think Germany could have continued to fight and even win the war was just absurd.

But according to the myth, the Kaiser gave into a ploy executed by German "defeatists" (who were of course socialists, c*******ts and Jews) who just wanted Germany to lose the war. What made this particular narrative so interesting is how effective it was in leading to the Third Reich, despite not being in the least bit credible.

I found this article by Bret Stephens/NYT, that explains Dolchstosslegende and then draws a clear parallel to Trump's claim that the 2020 e******n is being stolen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/opinion/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory.html

Stephens points out that the idea behind the myth wasn't to be credible but to be presented to the right people where credibility matters less and the opposition to what happened matters more...

"But the nature of the myth wasn’t that it should be believable. It’s that it should be believed.

There’s a difference. The success of the first rests on a plausible interpretation of facts. The success of the second requires a psychologically astute understanding of the people to whom the lie is peddled. The Dolchstosslegende may have been a t***sparent falsehood, but it had the double advantage of bucking up a humiliated nation’s p***e and playing to its gut prejudices."

This is exactly what we are seeing today as Trump continues to spread these absurd claims of e******n f***d. Some of you may wonder why, even after Trump and McConnell spent 4 years packing the courts with conservative judges, they could not find one single judge ANYWHERE in America willing to entertain the ridiculous charge of mass e******n f***d.

But Trump (or whoever is controlling him) continues to make the claim. Why? Well, the answer could very well be in the study of the Dolchstosslegende example. That argument failed to overturn the armistice because the t***h was just too obvious but it nevertheless had a real effect on pissed off Germans, leading to the increase in resentment, bigotry and militance that the N**is were able to leverage ten years later to pole-vault democracy and gain tyrannical power.

Personally, I'm tired of all the resentment and bigotry that I see today. I'd like to see America taking much brighter and positive route such as what the progressives continue to push for... Better e******y, better support for American families, real solutions to 21st century challenges... things like that. But apparently, more resentment and bigotry is what the Trump camp is obsessed with and it's hard to dismiss the probability that all this darkness, negativity and distrust of the American political system will eventually develop into a serious opposition to the progressive America that we have all come to rely on for a decent standard of living.

Indeed, there are already those among the Trump supporters that fantasize about a civil war... I've confirmed with several of these people that they don't really know what they would be fighting for, only what they are fighting against and I suspect more times than not these off-hand remarks about a civil war are really just an expression of their frustration, which is fueled by p***e and misinformation. And maybe that was the extent of the Dolchstosslegende impact in 1918 too but it was still enough to evolve into fertile ground for a f*****t regime ten years later. Do we really want to take that risk with Trump's own version of Dolchstosslegende?

Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle

straightUp wrote:

Dolchstosslegende is hard to pronounce but it t***slates from German to "stab-in-the-back-myth". This myth was manufactured by German conservatives in 1918 that refused to accept defeat in WW1.

In reality, German generals begged the Kaiser to sign an armistice agreement and he eventually did to prevent further slaughtering of the German armies and suffering of the German people. All signs indicated that defeat was eminent and to think Germany could have continued to fight and even win the war was just absurd.

But according to the myth, the Kaiser gave into a ploy executed by German "defeatists" (who were of course socialists, c*******ts and Jews) who just wanted Germany to lose the war. What made this particular narrative so interesting is how effective it was in leading to the Third Reich, despite not being in the least bit credible.

I found this article by Bret Stephens/NYT, that explains Dolchstosslegende and then draws a clear parallel to Trump's claim that the 2020 e******n is being stolen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/opinion/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory.html

Stephens points out that the idea behind the myth wasn't to be credible but to be presented to the right people where credibility matters less and the opposition to what happened matters more...

"But the nature of the myth wasn’t that it should be believable. It’s that it should be believed.

There’s a difference. The success of the first rests on a plausible interpretation of facts. The success of the second requires a psychologically astute understanding of the people to whom the lie is peddled. The Dolchstosslegende may have been a t***sparent falsehood, but it had the double advantage of bucking up a humiliated nation’s p***e and playing to its gut prejudices."

This is exactly what we are seeing today as Trump continues to spread these absurd claims of e******n f***d. Some of you may wonder why, even after Trump and McConnell spent 4 years packing the courts with conservative judges, they could not find one single judge ANYWHERE in America willing to entertain the ridiculous charge of mass e******n f***d.

But Trump (or whoever is controlling him) continues to make the claim. Why? Well, the answer could very well be in the study of the Dolchstosslegende example. That argument failed to overturn the armistice because the t***h was just too obvious but it nevertheless had a real effect on pissed off Germans, leading to the increase in resentment, bigotry and militance that the N**is were able to leverage ten years later to pole-vault democracy and gain tyrannical power.

Personally, I'm tired of all the resentment and bigotry that I see today. I'd like to see America taking much brighter and positive route such as what the progressives continue to push for... Better e******y, better support for American families, real solutions to 21st century challenges... things like that. But apparently, more resentment and bigotry is what the Trump camp is obsessed with and it's hard to dismiss the probability that all this darkness, negativity and distrust of the American political system will eventually develop into a serious opposition to the progressive America that we have all come to rely on for a decent standard of living.

Indeed, there are already those among the Trump supporters that fantasize about a civil war... I've confirmed with several of these people that they don't really know what they would be fighting for, only what they are fighting against and I suspect more times than not these off-hand remarks about a civil war are really just an expression of their frustration, which is fueled by p***e and misinformation. And maybe that was the extent of the Dolchstosslegende impact in 1918 too but it was still enough to evolve into fertile ground for a f*****t regime ten years later. Do we really want to take that risk with Trump's own version of Dolchstosslegende?

Dolchstosslegende is hard to pronounce but it t***... (show quote)

Do you know what bolshevism is?
Apparently not.
Or you are a bolshevik..I think so

Noraa Loc: Kansas

Sonny Magoo wrote:

Do you know what bolshevism is?
Apparently not.
Or you are a bolshevik..I think so

GoCubs Loc: Earth

straightUp wrote:

Dolchstosslegende is hard to pronounce but it t***slates from German to "stab-in-the-back-myth". This myth was manufactured by German conservatives in 1918 that refused to accept defeat in WW1.

In reality, German generals begged the Kaiser to sign an armistice agreement and he eventually did to prevent further slaughtering of the German armies and suffering of the German people. All signs indicated that defeat was eminent and to think Germany could have continued to fight and even win the war was just absurd.

But according to the myth, the Kaiser gave into a ploy executed by German "defeatists" (who were of course socialists, c*******ts and Jews) who just wanted Germany to lose the war. What made this particular narrative so interesting is how effective it was in leading to the Third Reich, despite not being in the least bit credible.

I found this article by Bret Stephens/NYT, that explains Dolchstosslegende and then draws a clear parallel to Trump's claim that the 2020 e******n is being stolen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/opinion/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory.html

Stephens points out that the idea behind the myth wasn't to be credible but to be presented to the right people where credibility matters less and the opposition to what happened matters more...

"But the nature of the myth wasn’t that it should be believable. It’s that it should be believed.

There’s a difference. The success of the first rests on a plausible interpretation of facts. The success of the second requires a psychologically astute understanding of the people to whom the lie is peddled. The Dolchstosslegende may have been a t***sparent falsehood, but it had the double advantage of bucking up a humiliated nation’s p***e and playing to its gut prejudices."

This is exactly what we are seeing today as Trump continues to spread these absurd claims of e******n f***d. Some of you may wonder why, even after Trump and McConnell spent 4 years packing the courts with conservative judges, they could not find one single judge ANYWHERE in America willing to entertain the ridiculous charge of mass e******n f***d.

But Trump (or whoever is controlling him) continues to make the claim. Why? Well, the answer could very well be in the study of the Dolchstosslegende example. That argument failed to overturn the armistice because the t***h was just too obvious but it nevertheless had a real effect on pissed off Germans, leading to the increase in resentment, bigotry and militance that the N**is were able to leverage ten years later to pole-vault democracy and gain tyrannical power.

Personally, I'm tired of all the resentment and bigotry that I see today. I'd like to see America taking much brighter and positive route such as what the progressives continue to push for... Better e******y, better support for American families, real solutions to 21st century challenges... things like that. But apparently, more resentment and bigotry is what the Trump camp is obsessed with and it's hard to dismiss the probability that all this darkness, negativity and distrust of the American political system will eventually develop into a serious opposition to the progressive America that we have all come to rely on for a decent standard of living.

Indeed, there are already those among the Trump supporters that fantasize about a civil war... I've confirmed with several of these people that they don't really know what they would be fighting for, only what they are fighting against and I suspect more times than not these off-hand remarks about a civil war are really just an expression of their frustration, which is fueled by p***e and misinformation. And maybe that was the extent of the Dolchstosslegende impact in 1918 too but it was still enough to evolve into fertile ground for a f*****t regime ten years later. Do we really want to take that risk with Trump's own version of Dolchstosslegende?

Dolchstosslegende is hard to pronounce but it t***... (show quote)

Outstanding post.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

GoCubs wrote:

Outstanding post.

Baaaaaaa!

Carol Kelly

straightUp wrote:

Dolchstosslegende is hard to pronounce but it t***slates from German to "stab-in-the-back-myth". This myth was manufactured by German conservatives in 1918 that refused to accept defeat in WW1.

In reality, German generals begged the Kaiser to sign an armistice agreement and he eventually did to prevent further slaughtering of the German armies and suffering of the German people. All signs indicated that defeat was eminent and to think Germany could have continued to fight and even win the war was just absurd.

But according to the myth, the Kaiser gave into a ploy executed by German "defeatists" (who were of course socialists, c*******ts and Jews) who just wanted Germany to lose the war. What made this particular narrative so interesting is how effective it was in leading to the Third Reich, despite not being in the least bit credible.

I found this article by Bret Stephens/NYT, that explains Dolchstosslegende and then draws a clear parallel to Trump's claim that the 2020 e******n is being stolen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/opinion/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory.html

Stephens points out that the idea behind the myth wasn't to be credible but to be presented to the right people where credibility matters less and the opposition to what happened matters more...

"But the nature of the myth wasn’t that it should be believable. It’s that it should be believed.

There’s a difference. The success of the first rests on a plausible interpretation of facts. The success of the second requires a psychologically astute understanding of the people to whom the lie is peddled. The Dolchstosslegende may have been a t***sparent falsehood, but it had the double advantage of bucking up a humiliated nation’s p***e and playing to its gut prejudices."

This is exactly what we are seeing today as Trump continues to spread these absurd claims of e******n f***d. Some of you may wonder why, even after Trump and McConnell spent 4 years packing the courts with conservative judges, they could not find one single judge ANYWHERE in America willing to entertain the ridiculous charge of mass e******n f***d.

But Trump (or whoever is controlling him) continues to make the claim. Why? Well, the answer could very well be in the study of the Dolchstosslegende example. That argument failed to overturn the armistice because the t***h was just too obvious but it nevertheless had a real effect on pissed off Germans, leading to the increase in resentment, bigotry and militance that the N**is were able to leverage ten years later to pole-vault democracy and gain tyrannical power.

Personally, I'm tired of all the resentment and bigotry that I see today. I'd like to see America taking much brighter and positive route such as what the progressives continue to push for... Better e******y, better support for American families, real solutions to 21st century challenges... things like that. But apparently, more resentment and bigotry is what the Trump camp is obsessed with and it's hard to dismiss the probability that all this darkness, negativity and distrust of the American political system will eventually develop into a serious opposition to the progressive America that we have all come to rely on for a decent standard of living.

Indeed, there are already those among the Trump supporters that fantasize about a civil war... I've confirmed with several of these people that they don't really know what they would be fighting for, only what they are fighting against and I suspect more times than not these off-hand remarks about a civil war are really just an expression of their frustration, which is fueled by p***e and misinformation. And maybe that was the extent of the Dolchstosslegende impact in 1918 too but it was still enough to evolve into fertile ground for a f*****t regime ten years later. Do we really want to take that risk with Trump's own version of Dolchstosslegende?

Dolchstosslegende is hard to pronounce but it t***... (show quote)

Sounds a lot like propaganda to me.

straightUp Loc: California

Sonny Magoo wrote:

Do you know what bolshevism is?
Apparently not.
Or you are a bolshevik..I think so

So what you are literally saying is that am a Bolshevik who doesn't know what Bolshevism is. Yeah, THAT makes sense

So should we wait until you've developed the ability to post without making a fool of yourself or should I respond? Hmm... Well, I have a little time to spare and your self-insulting posts don't bother me so I'll respond...

Bolshevism refers to a specific agenda that influenced the October Revolution in Russia 1917 and established a subsequent regime under Vladimir Lenin. This agenda was based on a mix of Marxist ideas and marshall practices that sought to establish a tyranny of the proletariat which Marx never prescribed.

That's what Bolshevism actually was. It literally doesn't exist anymore and if it did, I would certainly not be onboard with it, which a perceptive person reading my OP would have noticed, given my stated concern about how the N**is pole-vaulted democracy to establish a tyranny.

I also know what Bolshevism means to a lot of ignorant Americans on the right. For them, it's a fancy word that is associated in some way with c*******m and because that's the extent of their understanding they think the two words are synonymous and since c*******m is generally a left-wing ideology and Bolshevism was a brutally tyrannical practice, they feel it's a great word to sling at left-leaning Americans.

But here's a fact, Magoo...

Almost every American on the left is opposed to tyranny and in favor of democracy. Go ahead and find a Democrat in ANY elected office that calls himself a c*******t, much less a Bolshevik. You won't find any because they don't exist. Yet, all of them are persecuted by the right for being supposed c*******ts.

And that's the difference between using a word for derogatory purposes and understanding what that word actually means.

straightUp Loc: California

Carol Kelly wrote:

Sounds a lot like propaganda to me.

Yes, that is exactly what Dolchstosslegende was... propaganda... and so is Trump's BS about massive v***r f***d and corruption. In fact, the whole post and the article referenced, is focused on comparing these two batches of propaganda because of their similarities.

...but I've seen you post before Carol, so I kinda know that isn't what you mean. You're suggesting that it's my post and referenced article that amounts to propaganda. It would be more interesting if you actually had an argument to support that charge but I know you don't have one.

Magoo calls me a Bolshevik and you call my post, propaganda. This is apparently the extent of what conservatives are capable of... simple denial through the use of simple accusations. At least it keeps your posts nice and short

GoCubs Loc: Earth

Parky60 wrote:

Baaaaaaa!

Dangit Parky, you promised me that I made your "ignore" list.

GoCubs Loc: Earth

straightUp wrote:

So what you are literally saying is that am a Bols... (show quote)

Bravo!

ImLogicallyRight

straightUp wrote:

Dolchstosslegende is hard to pronounce but it t***slates from German to "stab-in-the-back-myth". This myth was manufactured by German conservatives in 1918 that refused to accept defeat in WW1.

In reality, German generals begged the Kaiser to sign an armistice agreement and he eventually did to prevent further slaughtering of the German armies and suffering of the German people. All signs indicated that defeat was eminent and to think Germany could have continued to fight and even win the war was just absurd.

But according to the myth, the Kaiser gave into a ploy executed by German "defeatists" (who were of course socialists, c*******ts and Jews) who just wanted Germany to lose the war. What made this particular narrative so interesting is how effective it was in leading to the Third Reich, despite not being in the least bit credible.

I found this article by Bret Stephens/NYT, that explains Dolchstosslegende and then draws a clear parallel to Trump's claim that the 2020 e******n is being stolen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/opinion/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory.html

Stephens points out that the idea behind the myth wasn't to be credible but to be presented to the right people where credibility matters less and the opposition to what happened matters more...

"But the nature of the myth wasn’t that it should be believable. It’s that it should be believed.

There’s a difference. The success of the first rests on a plausible interpretation of facts. The success of the second requires a psychologically astute understanding of the people to whom the lie is peddled. The Dolchstosslegende may have been a t***sparent falsehood, but it had the double advantage of bucking up a humiliated nation’s p***e and playing to its gut prejudices."

This is exactly what we are seeing today as Trump continues to spread these absurd claims of e******n f***d. Some of you may wonder why, even after Trump and McConnell spent 4 years packing the courts with conservative judges, they could not find one single judge ANYWHERE in America willing to entertain the ridiculous charge of mass e******n f***d.

But Trump (or whoever is controlling him) continues to make the claim. Why? Well, the answer could very well be in the study of the Dolchstosslegende example. That argument failed to overturn the armistice because the t***h was just too obvious but it nevertheless had a real effect on pissed off Germans, leading to the increase in resentment, bigotry and militance that the N**is were able to leverage ten years later to pole-vault democracy and gain tyrannical power.

Personally, I'm tired of all the resentment and bigotry that I see today. I'd like to see America taking much brighter and positive route such as what the progressives continue to push for... Better e******y, better support for American families, real solutions to 21st century challenges... things like that. But apparently, more resentment and bigotry is what the Trump camp is obsessed with and it's hard to dismiss the probability that all this darkness, negativity and distrust of the American political system will eventually develop into a serious opposition to the progressive America that we have all come to rely on for a decent standard of living.

Indeed, there are already those among the Trump supporters that fantasize about a civil war... I've confirmed with several of these people that they don't really know what they would be fighting for, only what they are fighting against and I suspect more times than not these off-hand remarks about a civil war are really just an expression of their frustration, which is fueled by p***e and misinformation. And maybe that was the extent of the Dolchstosslegende impact in 1918 too but it was still enough to evolve into fertile ground for a f*****t regime ten years later. Do we really want to take that risk with Trump's own version of Dolchstosslegende?

Dolchstosslegende is hard to pronounce but it t***... (show quote)

You have one problem with your theory. There is massive e******n f***d in the 2020 e******n. Mainly found in 6 states that were not considered settled as either Red or Blue. And some of those v**es are so radical that even statisticians are saying that the results are impossible. And there are hundreds of not yet thousands of sworn affidavits on massive irregularities. The list goes on and so must the investigations and challenges.

LR

Sicilianthing

straightUp wrote:

Dolchstosslegende is hard to pronounce but it t***slates from German to "stab-in-the-back-myth". This myth was manufactured by German conservatives in 1918 that refused to accept defeat in WW1.

In reality, German generals begged the Kaiser to sign an armistice agreement and he eventually did to prevent further slaughtering of the German armies and suffering of the German people. All signs indicated that defeat was eminent and to think Germany could have continued to fight and even win the war was just absurd.

But according to the myth, the Kaiser gave into a ploy executed by German "defeatists" (who were of course socialists, c*******ts and Jews) who just wanted Germany to lose the war. What made this particular narrative so interesting is how effective it was in leading to the Third Reich, despite not being in the least bit credible.

I found this article by Bret Stephens/NYT, that explains Dolchstosslegende and then draws a clear parallel to Trump's claim that the 2020 e******n is being stolen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/opinion/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory.html

Stephens points out that the idea behind the myth wasn't to be credible but to be presented to the right people where credibility matters less and the opposition to what happened matters more...

"But the nature of the myth wasn’t that it should be believable. It’s that it should be believed.

There’s a difference. The success of the first rests on a plausible interpretation of facts. The success of the second requires a psychologically astute understanding of the people to whom the lie is peddled. The Dolchstosslegende may have been a t***sparent falsehood, but it had the double advantage of bucking up a humiliated nation’s p***e and playing to its gut prejudices."

This is exactly what we are seeing today as Trump continues to spread these absurd claims of e******n f***d. Some of you may wonder why, even after Trump and McConnell spent 4 years packing the courts with conservative judges, they could not find one single judge ANYWHERE in America willing to entertain the ridiculous charge of mass e******n f***d.

But Trump (or whoever is controlling him) continues to make the claim. Why? Well, the answer could very well be in the study of the Dolchstosslegende example. That argument failed to overturn the armistice because the t***h was just too obvious but it nevertheless had a real effect on pissed off Germans, leading to the increase in resentment, bigotry and militance that the N**is were able to leverage ten years later to pole-vault democracy and gain tyrannical power.

Personally, I'm tired of all the resentment and bigotry that I see today. I'd like to see America taking much brighter and positive route such as what the progressives continue to push for... Better e******y, better support for American families, real solutions to 21st century challenges... things like that. But apparently, more resentment and bigotry is what the Trump camp is obsessed with and it's hard to dismiss the probability that all this darkness, negativity and distrust of the American political system will eventually develop into a serious opposition to the progressive America that we have all come to rely on for a decent standard of living.

Indeed, there are already those among the Trump supporters that fantasize about a civil war... I've confirmed with several of these people that they don't really know what they would be fighting for, only what they are fighting against and I suspect more times than not these off-hand remarks about a civil war are really just an expression of their frustration, which is fueled by p***e and misinformation. And maybe that was the extent of the Dolchstosslegende impact in 1918 too but it was still enough to evolve into fertile ground for a f*****t regime ten years later. Do we really want to take that risk with Trump's own version of Dolchstosslegende?

Dolchstosslegende is hard to pronounce but it t***... (show quote)

>>>

I know exactly what’s happened and who caused it and where we’re at today and how we got here...

Wanna take the OPP Challenge ?

Cuda2020

straightUp wrote:

So what you are literally saying is that am a Bols... (show quote)

Right on point straight. Similarly I've said the same thing about finding a true socialist on the left, it doesn't exist in our capitalistic society, you can't get there from where we are. We are a society that's constantly wants the latest, newest and best, we constantly try to have more and better. We were brought up to inspire to improve our own status.
Unfortunately this mostly seems to be materialistically, but there you have it, can't have socialism with that attitude, with that philosophy. True socialism, they way they're thinking of it, it's never gonna happen here, and the only place it has happened is under a suppressive dictatorship and not by the will of the people. Therefore, as long as we secure the standing and integrity of our government, we're safe, and secure and that should always be our first priority, and we just have, by ridding ourselves of Trump and his circle.

Cuda2020

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

You have one problem with your theory. There is massive e******n f***d in the 2020 e******n. Mainly found in 6 states that were not considered settled as either Red or Blue. And some of those v**es are so radical that even statisticians are saying that the results are impossible. And there are hundreds of not yet thousands of sworn affidavits on massive irregularities. The list goes on and so must the investigations and challenges.

LR

There's a massive e******n f***d, why, because Trump has said so. It's been proven not so, why keep believing in the propaganda lies. Trump simply doesn't have the dignity to admit he lost and follow the rules of succession.

straightUp Loc: California

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

You have one problem with your theory. There is massive e******n f***d in the 2020 e******n. Mainly found in 6 states that were not considered settled as either Red or Blue. And some of those v**es are so radical that even statisticians are saying that the results are impossible. And there are hundreds of not yet thousands of sworn affidavits on massive irregularities. The list goes on and so must the investigations and challenges.

LR

Yes, We've all heard the story of massive e******n f***d in those six states, or "six pathways to victory" as the Trump campaign called them. We also know how unlikely that story is and we also know that people like you believe it anyway because of your political loyalty. This is precisely the point of my OP. You think you are describing massive e******n f***d but what you are actually doing is giving us a fine example of how dolchstosslegende actually works. As unbelievable as this story is you believe it nevertheless.

So what makes the story so unbelievable?

Well, the lack of evidence for one... I watched that whole presentation by Count Guliani. All he had was a handful of affidavits which he said he can't share and the rest was all speculation. That was possibly the weakest legal argument in history. Trump's team could not even find a single judge in all the land, not even among those conservative judges he appointed, that would even consider Trump's prosecution BECAUSE of a complete lack of evidence.

BTW, there are isolated incidents of v***r f***d in EVERY e******n. I'm sure Clinton could have just as easily secured sworn affidavits on pro-Trump v***r f***d in 2016. But she apparently wasn't so uptight about losing the EC v**e that she was willing to disrupt the Republic for the sake of overturning the e******n. Trump lost by 5 million v**es. For v***r f***d to be significant, there would have to be 5 million sworn affidavits. You have 500. You're only short by 4,999,500.

This brings me to the second reason why the story is unbelievable. The history of lies. You just said "there are hundreds of not yet thousands of sworn affidavits on massive irregularities." But the fact is, not one sworn affidavit has been shown to describe "massive irregularities". The few that I watched Guliani present simply stated that Trump's requested observers were not close enough to read the b****ts as they passed through the regular process of being counted, which already involves a cross-check of more than one person. This is just one example... Trump and his supporters have developed a history of unsubstantiated claims that compromise the believability factor of anything they say.

A third reason is the obvious desperation. When Trump started calling legislators, one state at a time, to the White House to discuss overturning the EC v**es, I started to realize just how desperate he is. If a president is desperate enough to overtly propose corruption in the EC, we can certainly consider his desperation a motive for spawning ridiculous claims of massive v***r f***d.

Bottom line... Get real evidence! Until that happens, dolchstosslegende it is.

One more thing... You said - "some of those v**es are so radical that even statisticians are saying that the results are impossible."

So... I'm not sure how "radical" a v**e can actually be. You have a b****t, you check off your choices. It's basically a multiple choice questionnaire and you are suggesting they can be so radical that statisticians say the answers would be impossible? I dunno, maybe you didn't mean it the way you wrote it...

Guliani made a similar comment in his presentation (right about when his hair dye started dripping down his face). He said that statisticians said it was impossible for Trump to be so far ahead at the end of e******n day and for Biden to pull so far ahead by the next morning.

The best I can do here is to suggest that maybe what the statisticians actually meant (if in fact Giuliani talked to any statisticians at all) is that it's not *normal*. 2020 was a little different because of the p******c... (Or excuse me, the Democratic h**x, no wait... the Chinese v***l attack on the world... Ugh - sorry, I can't keep up with the ever-shifting lies on the right, WH**EVER you think the p******c is today...) The fact is, because Democrats were concerned about social distancing, they overwhelmingly opted to v**e by mail-in b****ts... which are counted AFTER the walk-in v**es. That explains how Biden pulled ahead when the mail-in b****ts were being counted. So yeah, it's not normal... but obviously it *is* possible.