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Dec 2, 2020 20:17:39   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
I have never had a flu shot and have never had the flu. Well, at least that I know of aware of its symptoms. But this new p******c is a bit more frightening, especially for me at 73 with underlying health conditions nearly galore. What is strange is my reasoning for taking this new v*****e: I do not want to be just another statistic in its Death Column. It reminded me of a saying by Stalin: "One death is a tragedy, a million just a statistic." I would like to die a tragic death.

The argument in my head against taking it is the pure fear-motive: I do not like being coerced. I suppose that is like the no-maskers. As our whole way of life has been disrupted and changed by this v***s, taking the v*****e seems like a concession to its power, an admission of defeat somehow. I am still undecided. How about you?
I have never had a flu shot and have never had the... (show quote)
Hell yeah!

P****r and and BioNTech v*****es proved 95% effective in their Phase III lab tests. The UK has just approved these for emergency use.

There is only one reason why l*****t serfs are terrified of the new C***d v*****es. To hell with the science and the hard work of the scientists who developed them, it is because of the guy who made it happen.

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Dec 2, 2020 20:22:46   #
woodguru
 
Jlw wrote:
I wore masks and did all the recommendations and I was tested positive yesterday


And what kind of alternative conclusion have you come to?

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Dec 2, 2020 20:30:40   #
woodguru
 
Blade_Runner wrote:

There is only one reason why l*****t serfs are terrified of the new C***d v*****es. To hell with the science and the hard work of the scientists who developed them, it is because of the guy who made it happen.


Actually the reason was the undue and entirely inappropriate pressure trump has put on every agency that is supposed to be the ones calling the shots, and that includes the FDA. And the reality is that the v*****e trials are nowhere near fully seasoned as in giving statistics of all kinds a chance to reveal realities and facts.

I feel better about those who refused to come in with trump's operation warp speed because they did not want the appearance that they were pressured to skip steps in order to make trump happy with earlier rather than safer. There is also a factor that money was invested in production before knowledge of any efficacy, which would give companies strong motivations to monkey with trials results.

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Dec 2, 2020 20:35:14   #
woodguru
 
valkyrierider wrote:
No and I am 72 and not worried and do not wear a mask because there is no p******c.


...and if you get it you will stay home and die rather than take up valuable hospital space that would be better used for someone who wore masks and tried to do the right things?

When you aren't feeling so good and are having trouble breathing you just stay at home and pray.

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Dec 2, 2020 21:07:36   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
Actually the reason was the undue and entirely inappropriate pressure trump has put on every agency that is supposed to be the ones calling the shots, and that includes the FDA. And the reality is that the v*****e trials are nowhere near fully seasoned as in giving statistics of all kinds a chance to reveal realities and facts.

I feel better about those who refused to come in with trump's operation warp speed because they did not want the appearance that they were pressured to skip steps in order to make trump happy with earlier rather than safer. There is also a factor that money was invested in production before knowledge of any efficacy, which would give companies strong motivations to monkey with trials results.
Actually the reason was the undue and entirely ina... (show quote)
You never miss an opportunity to take a s**t on anything that could benefit everyone.

Newsflash! With OWS, President Trump created a competitive environment, you know, one of those Free Market Capitalism things where companies compete.

No body is forcing you to get v******ted. Apparently you'd prefer millions more people get infected and die.

P****r and BioNTech Conclude Phase 3 Study of C****-** V*****e Candidate, Meeting All Primary Efficacy Endpoints

Wednesday, November 18, 2020 - 06:59am

Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against C****-** beginning 28 days after the first dose;170 confirmed cases of C****-** were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the v*****e group
Efficacy was consistent across age, g****r, race and ethnicity demographics; observed efficacy in adults over 65 years of age was over 94%
Safety data milestone required by U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for E*******y Use A***********n (EUA) has been achieved.
Data demonstrate v*****e was well tolerated across all populations with over 43,000 participants enrolled; no serious safety concerns observed; the only Grade 3 a*****e e***t greater than 2% in frequency was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0%.
Companies plan to submit within days to the FDA for EUA and share data with other regulatory agencies around the globe.
The companies expect to produce globally up to 50 million v*****e doses in 2020 and up to 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021.
P****r is confident in its vast experience, expertise and existing cold-chain infrastructure to distribute the v*****e around the world.

NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- P****r Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced that, after conducting the final efficacy analysis in their ongoing Phase 3 study, their m**A-based C****-** v*****e candidate, BNT162b2, met all of the study’s primary efficacy endpoints. Analysis of the data indicates a v*****e efficacy rate of 95% (p<0.0001) in participants without prior SARS-CoV-2 infection (first primary objective) and also in participants with and without prior SARS-CoV-2 infection (second primary objective), in each case measured from 7 days after the second dose. The first primary objective analysis is based on 170 cases of C****-**, as specified in the study protocol, of which 162 cases of C****-** were observed in the placebo group versus 8 cases in the BNT162b2 group. Efficacy was consistent across age, g****r, race and ethnicity demographics. The observed efficacy in adults over 65 years of age was over 94%.

To date, the Data Monitoring Committee for the study has not reported any serious safety concerns related to the v*****e. A review of unblinded reactogenicity data from the final analysis which consisted of a randomized subset of at least 8,000 participants 18 years and older in the phase 2/3 study demonstrates that the v*****e was well tolerated, with most solicited a*****e e***ts resolving shortly after v******tion. The only Grade 3 (severe) solicited a*****e e***ts greater than or equal to 2% in frequency after the first or second dose was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0% following dose 2. Consistent with earlier shared results, older adults tended to report fewer and milder solicited a*****e e***ts following v******tion.

In addition, the companies announced that the safety milestone required by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for E*******y Use A***********n (EUA) has been achieved. P****r and BioNTech plan to submit a request within days to the FDA for an EUA based on the totality of safety and efficacy data collected to date, as well as manufacturing data relating to the quality and consistency of the v*****e. These data also will be submitted to other regulatory agencies around the world.

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Dec 3, 2020 01:16:31   #
Jlw Loc: Wisconsin
 
Kevyn wrote:
You will grow a pair of big Harry tits on your back and your teeth will fall out.


Kinda like you huh?

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Dec 3, 2020 03:33:54   #
Kevyn
 
Jlw wrote:
Kinda like you huh?


Oh, hell no! I will stick to guzzling Clorox.

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Dec 3, 2020 07:02:56   #
Jlw Loc: Wisconsin
 
Kevyn wrote:
Oh, hell no! I will stick to guzzling Clorox.


Hurry please

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Dec 3, 2020 09:14:23   #
teabag09
 
rumitoid wrote:
I have never had a flu shot and have never had the flu. Well, at least that I know of aware of its symptoms. But this new p******c is a bit more frightening, especially for me at 73 with underlying health conditions nearly galore. What is strange is my reasoning for taking this new v*****e: I do not want to be just another statistic in its Death Column. It reminded me of a saying by Stalin: "One death is a tragedy, a million just a statistic." I would like to die a tragic death.

The argument in my head against taking it is the pure fear-motive: I do not like being coerced. I suppose that is like the no-maskers. As our whole way of life has been disrupted and changed by this v***s, taking the v*****e seems like a concession to its power, an admission of defeat somehow. I am still undecided. How about you?
I have never had a flu shot and have never had the... (show quote)


We will have a sort of a reprieve as Europe is going to start giving the drug somewhat before we will. Mike

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Dec 3, 2020 11:52:23   #
Carol Kelly
 
rumitoid wrote:
I have never had a flu shot and have never had the flu. Well, at least that I know of aware of its symptoms. But this new p******c is a bit more frightening, especially for me at 73 with underlying health conditions nearly galore. What is strange is my reasoning for taking this new v*****e: I do not want to be just another statistic in its Death Column. It reminded me of a saying by Stalin: "One death is a tragedy, a million just a statistic." I would like to die a tragic death.

The argument in my head against taking it is the pure fear-motive: I do not like being coerced. I suppose that is like the no-maskers. As our whole way of life has been disrupted and changed by this v***s, taking the v*****e seems like a concession to its power, an admission of defeat somehow. I am still undecided. How about you?
I have never had a flu shot and have never had the... (show quote)


I don’t like being coerced and I don’t trust the v*****es because of some of the investors. I will not be ordered to do things against my will, therefore I v**ed for Trump, not the Democrats led, falsely, by Biden and Harris but being directed by
Obama.

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Dec 3, 2020 11:55:39   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Kevyn wrote:
You will grow a pair of big Harry tits on your back and your teeth will fall out.


Been there, done that, huh?

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Dec 3, 2020 12:32:26   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Hell yeah!

P****r and and BioNTech v*****es proved 95% effective in their Phase III lab tests. The UK has just approved these for emergency use.

There is only one reason why l*****t serfs are terrified of the new C***d v*****es. To hell with the science and the hard work of the scientists who developed them, it is because of the guy who made it happen.


Wow, great spin on the t***h. The Left backs and is pushing for the v*****e. Jus look at the responses to this thread: almost all Righties said they would not take it. Wake up.

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Dec 3, 2020 13:03:32   #
Auntie Dee
 
rumitoid wrote:
I have never had a flu shot and have never had the flu. Well, at least that I know of aware of its symptoms. But this new p******c is a bit more frightening, especially for me at 73 with underlying health conditions nearly galore. What is strange is my reasoning for taking this new v*****e: I do not want to be just another statistic in its Death Column. It reminded me of a saying by Stalin: "One death is a tragedy, a million just a statistic." I would like to die a tragic death.

The argument in my head against taking it is the pure fear-motive: I do not like being coerced. I suppose that is like the no-maskers. As our whole way of life has been disrupted and changed by this v***s, taking the v*****e seems like a concession to its power, an admission of defeat somehow. I am still undecided. How about you?
I have never had a flu shot and have never had the... (show quote)


NO, I will not take it! Have never had a flu shot either or even a common cold in over 10 years!

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Dec 3, 2020 14:06:20   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You never miss an opportunity to take a s**t on anything that could benefit everyone.

Newsflash! With OWS, President Trump created a competitive environment, you know, one of those Free Market Capitalism things where companies compete.

No body is forcing you to get v******ted. Apparently you'd prefer millions more people get infected and die.

P****r and BioNTech Conclude Phase 3 Study of C****-** V*****e Candidate, Meeting All Primary Efficacy Endpoints

Wednesday, November 18, 2020 - 06:59am

Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against C****-** beginning 28 days after the first dose;170 confirmed cases of C****-** were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the v*****e group
Efficacy was consistent across age, g****r, race and ethnicity demographics; observed efficacy in adults over 65 years of age was over 94%
Safety data milestone required by U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for E*******y Use A***********n (EUA) has been achieved.
Data demonstrate v*****e was well tolerated across all populations with over 43,000 participants enrolled; no serious safety concerns observed; the only Grade 3 a*****e e***t greater than 2% in frequency was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0%.
Companies plan to submit within days to the FDA for EUA and share data with other regulatory agencies around the globe.
The companies expect to produce globally up to 50 million v*****e doses in 2020 and up to 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021.
P****r is confident in its vast experience, expertise and existing cold-chain infrastructure to distribute the v*****e around the world.

NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- P****r Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced that, after conducting the final efficacy analysis in their ongoing Phase 3 study, their m**A-based C****-** v*****e candidate, BNT162b2, met all of the study’s primary efficacy endpoints. Analysis of the data indicates a v*****e efficacy rate of 95% (p<0.0001) in participants without prior SARS-CoV-2 infection (first primary objective) and also in participants with and without prior SARS-CoV-2 infection (second primary objective), in each case measured from 7 days after the second dose. The first primary objective analysis is based on 170 cases of C****-**, as specified in the study protocol, of which 162 cases of C****-** were observed in the placebo group versus 8 cases in the BNT162b2 group. Efficacy was consistent across age, g****r, race and ethnicity demographics. The observed efficacy in adults over 65 years of age was over 94%.

To date, the Data Monitoring Committee for the study has not reported any serious safety concerns related to the v*****e. A review of unblinded reactogenicity data from the final analysis which consisted of a randomized subset of at least 8,000 participants 18 years and older in the phase 2/3 study demonstrates that the v*****e was well tolerated, with most solicited a*****e e***ts resolving shortly after v******tion. The only Grade 3 (severe) solicited a*****e e***ts greater than or equal to 2% in frequency after the first or second dose was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0% following dose 2. Consistent with earlier shared results, older adults tended to report fewer and milder solicited a*****e e***ts following v******tion.

In addition, the companies announced that the safety milestone required by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for E*******y Use A***********n (EUA) has been achieved. P****r and BioNTech plan to submit a request within days to the FDA for an EUA based on the totality of safety and efficacy data collected to date, as well as manufacturing data relating to the quality and consistency of the v*****e. These data also will be submitted to other regulatory agencies around the world.
You never miss an opportunity to take a s**t on an... (show quote)


Excellent info. Thank you.

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Dec 3, 2020 14:08:45   #
rumitoid
 
Auntie Dee wrote:
NO, I will not take it! Have never had a flu shot either or even a common cold in over 10 years!


You are far too healthy, lol. Congrats, stay that way.

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