JW

Those who keep insisting that there is no evidence of fraud in the e******n don't seem to know what evidence is. There are hundreds of affidavits. Every one is evidence. There are clear mathematical anomalies in this e******n. Every one is evidence. There are innumerable violations of law and protocol admitted to by poll watchers, shown on videos and admitted by poll workers. Every one is evidence.

There is more produced evidence than found in most such cases taken to court. Court is where the evidence will be tested and found sufficient or wanting. Until that is completed, the e******n contest continues.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Superb distinction

PeterS

So how many cases has your "evidence" produced a winning result? How did Rudy do in Pennsylvania? Wasn't that supposed to be a slamdunk?

I mean just look at some of the headlines on OPP:

Respected Attorney Lin Wood Tells Mark Levin He Believes T***p W*n by 70% Plus Landslide....Over 400 E*******l V**es

McEneny: 234 Pages of Sworn Affidavits Alleging Fraud in Just One Michigan County

Rudy Giuliani: Trump Campaign Has the Evidence To Change PA E******n Results

Caught: D******n Software deleted 2.7 Million Trump V**es - switched 435,000 V**es from Trump to Biden

Yet not a single one of these, gotcha, headlines as produced a single win for Trump. How could you have so much proof and it not prove anything?

You have a case that is built upon hyperbole and simply put out there with no there, there. You have appeared before judges from one end of this country to the other and every one of them has bounced your cases for lack of evidence. So either you don't know what evidence is or they don't know what evidence is and my money is on the judge, not you. I mean, if you caught D******n software red-handed deleting that many v**es don't you think a judge would accept it as evidence? I mean, good god, if you had proof and a judge ignored it you would have them by the short and curlies. Well, do you? I take it that is a no, not a yes.

My guess, you are being told one thing and another thing is being handed to the judge. Because if you had anything whatsoever you wouldn't be bounced out on your ears every time you enter a courtroom would you...

PeterS

Yet, if their evidence was proof they wouldn't have been bounced out of every courtroom from sea to shining sea, would they...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Don't think that was the argument being made...

PeterS

I thought the point was they had evidence (proof) yet their cases are being bounced from every court that they enter. Now the last I heard it was Rudy who was going to go in with his evidence guns blazing but the last court he entered he left an absolute embarrassment. And since Rudy is supposed to be their big gun if he ain't got the evidence (proof) then just who has it? And BTW, Arizona dismissed still another lawsuit today. So the only victory Trump has won is over how close his 'watchers' can stand during recounts and such...most of which are already over.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Yeah.... I'm getting blasted on another thread for pointing out the same thing... Although I didn't write the article or even find it on the net....

Wish there were more proof available... But it is what it is...

PeterS

Well, if I'm not getting blasted I figure I'm doing something wrong...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I don't mind getting blasted for my personal statements... But it's not appreciated when I simply post something for consideration...

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Affidavits are hearsay evidence, which is simply another form of accusation. Accusations are not proof. Every State in the Union, INCLUDING States t***p w*n, automatically conduct audits, examining paper b****ts against computer tabulations to find errors....................or fraud.

NO SUCH FRAUD HAS BEEN FOUND IN ANY STATE.

JW

You are dead wrong on every count. Hearsay is 'I heard it said'; an affidavit is 'I say' and that is evidence. Evidence is not proof, read the opening post but it is the substance of proof. As for doing audits as you describe; none of the states do that kind of audit unless forced by the courts. Currently, in GA, they have even refused to do that in the recount; just rereporting the original numbers.

Fraud has been found in every state. How massive the fraud has been is the question the courts will resolve.

JW

You are referring to the evidence in those headlines. I said evidence is not proof. The courts will work out the status of wh**ever evidence will constitute the proof that may be presented to it. The Trump campaign has stated openly that they don't expect positive results in the lower courts. So far, they are on track with their predictions.

They are releasing their evidence every day. Their presentations to the court that matters are yet to come.

kemmer

It's getting pretty late in the day for that; the SCOTUS isn't going to touch it.

PeterS

What a bunch of bulls**t. Georgia did what they said they would do...a hand recount, a recount where Trump actually gained a few v**es. If Rudy had affidavits, and proof of fraud, he would have presented it in court. HE DIDN'T! Don't you people understand that? For all of Trump's bluster and all the f**ery your f**e news could produce there was nothing Rudy or any of his underlings could present in court. Nothing! Not a single damn thing. It's over, the e******n is being certified state by state and no amount of whining is going to stop it.

Trump was giving his opportunity to prove fraud and he was unable to do it. It's time for you and your president to become adults, admit defeat, congratulate Biden and aid him in a smooth t***sition for his administration. Then, you can become children again and behave as you did under Obama. I don't care, that's part of your rights as a citizen. But this isn't. Casting doubt on our democratic process, accusing others of c***ting when there is no evidence, hurts our country and that you don't have a right to do.

PeterS

Where do you come up with this crap? Why did hair dye Rudy go to court in Pennsylvania if he didn't have the evidence to win his case? You're like the Monty Python sketch where the Black Knight has his arms and legs cut off and he still won't admit defeat. Well, you've been defeated and if you had any evidence at all that that wasn't true it would have been presented in court and THAT'S what we would be talking about right now. So do you want to talk about Rudy's embarrassing performance last week? If not, then we really need to move on...