ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Thanks

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

That's a lot to comment on...

Our medical knowledge has grown immensely over the years... And is one of the reasons why masks are used universally by medical workers...

No... The world was demonstrated to be round... Just as masks have been demonstrated to prevent the spread of bacteria and v***ses....

The CDC reported what the individuals stated... I'm sure they felt the information was accurate... Masks are but one part of the Battle... If wearing masks by themselves was enough the other measures wouldn't be necessary...

I would have to read the Danish study... And see what controls were used...

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

I will await with bated breath your comments on the Danish study after you familiarize yourself with it.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

You might have a hard time getting your hands on the study, however.

"The results of a massive study on the effectiveness of masks were just released, and the findings were so narrative-shattering that several reputable scientific journals reportedly refused to publish them."
.......
"Christian Torp-Pedersen, chief physician in the research department at North Zealand Hospital and one of the researchers involved in the study, told the Danish newspaper Berlingske that the Journal of the American Medical Association, the New England Journal of Medicine and The Lancet all refused to publish the narrative-shattering discovery."

You will probably take some comfort in the following statement by one of the study's authors.

"While masks don’t appear to offer wearers much extra protection, they do excel in preventing t***smission to others.

V***ses from both symptomatic and asymptomatic people have a harder time making it to a new host if the infected person is wearing a mask."

While this may be true, it is a statement made without any evidence to back it up. It may be a logical assumption, but that is all. I question whether there was any pressure placed upon the author to throw some type of bone to the MSM narrative on the value of masks. https://www.westernjournal.com/researches-compared-mask-wearers-unmasked-journals-reportedly-refused-publish-monumental-finding/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=newsletter-weekly-WJ&utm_campaign=weeklyam&utm_content=western-journal&ats_es=%5B-MD5-%5D

Rose42

But you think he doesn't....

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

This is accurate...

And demonstrates an understanding of mask theory....

From the article...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

He demonstrates a lack of knowledge...

Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas

Sure man....so long as the r****d wearing the mask is not using one with a discharge diaphragm. .........like the 100s i see every day.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Masks....."they do excel in preventing t***smission to others". This is a statement that why logical, is not backed up by randomized controlled studies that support that statement to the best of my knowledge. If you are aware of such controlled studies, send me a link. Science is about evidence and proof. Without good studies that prove a theory, it remains just a theory.

After writing this response, I did a search to see if i could find any studies showing that wearing a mask would reduce the spread of a v***s. I did find one study (The First Randomized, Controlled Clinical Trial of Mask Use in Households to Prevent Respiratory V***s T***smission) which claimed an 80% reduction. However, this is how they arrived at that number:

"Results: We recruited 286 adults with exposure to respiratory infections in the Australian winters of 2006 and 2007 - 94 adults were randomized to surgical masks, 90 to P2 masks and 102 to the control group. Using intention to treat analysis, we found no significant difference in the relative risk of respiratory illness in the mask groups compared to control group. However, compliance with mask use was less than 50%. In an adjusted analysis of compliant subjects, masks as a group had protective efficacy in excess of 80% against clinical influenza-like illness. The efficacy against proven v***l infection and between P2 masks (57%) and surgical masks (33%) was non-significant.
Conclusions: This is the first RCT on mask use to be conducted and provides data to inform p******c planning. We found compliance to be low, but compliance is affected by perception of risk. In a p******c, we would expect compliance to improve. In compliant users, masks were highly efficacious. A larger study is required to enumerate the difference in efficacy (if any) between surgical and non-fit tested P2 masks."

So on one hand, they say they found no significant difference in the relative risk of respiratory illness between the mask group and control group, but claim it was due to non-compliance. They then make some "adjustments???" to account for compliant subjects, and walla! they claim a protective efficacy of 80%, and claim that in a p******c, they would expect compliance to improve. THIS IS NOT A MY IDEA OF A PROPERLY CONDUCTED SCIENTIFIC TEST. https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(08)01008-4/fulltext

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I chose to highlight a finding from the study you provided... I agree that masks do little to prevent infection... But they do tend to keep it from spreading... I will attempt to find some studies confirming this...


TRy this one...

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/new-study-highlights-new-evidence-that-masks-prevent-c****av***s-spread/

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

CD. This article makes the case on face masks being effective (mechanistic argument) because the "mask blocks most of the respiratory droplets they’re exhaling which is where the v***s lives." No argument there.

That assumes that the primary vector for the spread of the v***s is "respiratory droplets" and not as an aerosol.

On “September 18, 2020, the CDC posted updated C****-** guidance that, for the first time, mentioned aerosol t***smission of SARS-CoV-2, saying “this is thought to be the main way the v***s spreads.” It also noted that aerosolized v***ses can travel farther than 6 feet. The CDC deleted these sections September 21, claiming they were posted in error. Aerosolized spread confirms the futility of mask rules” https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/09/face-shield-and-mask.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20201009Z1&mid=DM673294&rid=983405819

If all the scientifically randomized studies suggest that in the real world, wearing a face mask does not prevent infection, then what is the point? If, as suggested in the CDC September 18 report, the main vector for the spread of CV-19 is an an aerosol, and not as respiratory droplets, that would explain why masks are ineffective.

A good visualization of Aerosol spread is an article and video (since removed by the Youtube censors) by Dr Ted Noel, an anesthesiologist with 36 years of experience. He recently uploaded a video contrasting the mainstream media narrative that face masks are the ultimate solution to protecting oneself from spreading or catching the c****av***s.

Doctor Noel demonstrated the ability for aerosol particles to get through a number of face masks by using a vape. These included medical face masks, cloth masks, and guard masks which have a “high efficiency filter material.”

The vape aerosol, which has the same size or larger particles as c****av***s, easily went around the sides, bottom, and tops of the masks that Noel displayed.

https://www.b***hute.com/video/IdqL2MGdhaA8/ 3 minute mark - studies

VIDEO: Doctor Vapes Through Face Masks, Shows Thick Clouds Escape Through Sides, Bottom, and Top
https://nationalfile.com/video-doctor-vapes-through-face-masks-shows-thick-clouds-escape-through-sides-bottom-and-top/

Rose42

That you think you have even though he is more knowledgeable about the subject.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Funny how the majority of epidemiologists disagree with him....

Rose42

The ones given a voice do. Big difference.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

???

I don't understand...

Was he not given a voice???