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Nov 21, 2020 19:55:25   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
But you do. lol


The basics... Yes... It's not that complicated... Nor is it new...

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Nov 21, 2020 20:25:57   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
He's a pathologist who doesn't understand mask theory


OK CD, we'll try this one more time.

Regarding your comment that he is a pathologist who doesn't understand mask theory, he addresses that issue by stating, "I’m a medical specialist in pathology which includes v******y".

If masks are so effective, then why does the CDC say "CDC Report: 70.6% of C***D Patients Always Wore a Mask". https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/27/cdc-report-c***d-patients-always-wore-mask.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art2ReadMore&cid=20201027Z1&mid=DM692979&rid=997235920

Did you read the recently published article "New Danish Study Finds Masks Don’t Protect Wearers From C***D Infection" dated Wednesday, November 18, 2020? https://fee.org/articles/new-danish-study-finds-masks-don-t-protect-wearers-from-c***d-infection/

Here is the gist of the study: "To conduct the study, which ran from early April to early June, scientists at the University of Copenhagen recruited more than 6,000 participants who had tested negative for C****-** immediately prior to the experiment.

Half the participants were given surgical masks and instructed to wear them outside the home; the other half were instructed to not wear a mask outside the home.

Roughly 4,860 participants finished the experiment, the Times reports. The results were not encouraging.

“The researchers had hoped that masks would cut the infection rate by half among wearers. Instead, 42 people in the mask group, or 1.8 percent, got infected, compared with 53 in the unmasked group, or 2.1 percent. The difference was not statistically significant,” the Times reports."

Not a single randomized controlled trial with verified outcome has been able to detect a statistically significant advantage of wearing a mask versus not wearing a mask, when it comes to preventing infectious v***l illness.

Arthur Firstenberg MD wrote the following: “As a person who went to medical school, I was shocked when I read Neil Orr’s study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England.

Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester. And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries.

They wore no masks for six months and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years.

And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks.

Their conclusion: ‘It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all’ and that wearing a mask during surgery ‘is a standard procedure that could be abandoned.’

I was so amazed that I scoured the medical literature, sure that this was a fluke, and that newer studies must show the utility of masks in preventing the spread of disease.

But to my surprise the medical literature for the past forty-five years has been consistent: masks are useless in preventing the spread of disease and, if anything, are unsanitary objects that themselves spread bacteria and v***ses. (He then goes on and lists a whole myriad of citations to back up his statement) https://naturallyhealthynews.info/masking-the-t***h/

I could give you a few more pages of citations, but I think you get my point. I may never convince you or others on this site that wearing a face mask offers any protection against v***ses. But please do not tell me that scientific studies support that position.

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Nov 21, 2020 20:30:53   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Also.. He was never the chairman of the Royal Canadian medical college... They have already released a statement concerning this...


and what did the statement say?

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Nov 21, 2020 21:05:21   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
ACP45 wrote:
OK CD, we'll try this one more time.

Regarding your comment that he is a pathologist who doesn't understand mask theory, he addresses that issue by stating, "I’m a medical specialist in pathology which includes v******y".

If masks are so effective, then why does the CDC say "CDC Report: 70.6% of C***D Patients Always Wore a Mask". https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/27/cdc-report-c***d-patients-always-wore-mask.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art2ReadMore&cid=20201027Z1&mid=DM692979&rid=997235920

Did you read the recently published article "New Danish Study Finds Masks Don’t Protect Wearers From C***D Infection" dated Wednesday, November 18, 2020? https://fee.org/articles/new-danish-study-finds-masks-don-t-protect-wearers-from-c***d-infection/

Here is the gist of the study: "To conduct the study, which ran from early April to early June, scientists at the University of Copenhagen recruited more than 6,000 participants who had tested negative for C****-** immediately prior to the experiment.

Half the participants were given surgical masks and instructed to wear them outside the home; the other half were instructed to not wear a mask outside the home.

Roughly 4,860 participants finished the experiment, the Times reports. The results were not encouraging.

“The researchers had hoped that masks would cut the infection rate by half among wearers. Instead, 42 people in the mask group, or 1.8 percent, got infected, compared with 53 in the unmasked group, or 2.1 percent. The difference was not statistically significant,” the Times reports."

Not a single randomized controlled trial with verified outcome has been able to detect a statistically significant advantage of wearing a mask versus not wearing a mask, when it comes to preventing infectious v***l illness.

Arthur Firstenberg MD wrote the following: “As a person who went to medical school, I was shocked when I read Neil Orr’s study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England.

Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester. And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries.

They wore no masks for six months and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years.

And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks.

Their conclusion: ‘It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all’ and that wearing a mask during surgery ‘is a standard procedure that could be abandoned.’

I was so amazed that I scoured the medical literature, sure that this was a fluke, and that newer studies must show the utility of masks in preventing the spread of disease.

But to my surprise the medical literature for the past forty-five years has been consistent: masks are useless in preventing the spread of disease and, if anything, are unsanitary objects that themselves spread bacteria and v***ses. (He then goes on and lists a whole myriad of citations to back up his statement) https://naturallyhealthynews.info/masking-the-t***h/

I could give you a few more pages of citations, but I think you get my point. I may never convince you or others on this site that wearing a face mask offers any protection against v***ses. But please do not tell me that scientific studies support that position.
OK CD, we'll try this one more time. br br Regard... (show quote)


Mask theory is about the prevention of spread...

We've discussed this...

That's why surgeons wear them... They aren't afraid of catching a disease from the patient...

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Nov 21, 2020 21:14:28   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
ACP45 wrote:
and what did the statement say?


On November 19, 2020 the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada (Royal College) was made aware of statements regarding C****-** by a Royal College Fellow, Dr. Roger Hodkinson. In some online references, Dr. Hodkinson is being incorrectly identified as a chair/past-chair of the Royal College.

We would like to clarify that Dr. Hodkinson is not nor has ever held the position of chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada.

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Nov 22, 2020 01:51:53   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Like lungs


Omg are your lungs an open wound or incised???

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Nov 22, 2020 02:33:07   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
Omg are your lungs an open wound or incised???


Yes... They are exposed to any? and all pathogens in my vicinity...

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Nov 22, 2020 02:50:50   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yes... They are exposed to any? and all pathogens in my vicinity...



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Nov 22, 2020 04:33:28   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:


It's true...

The lungs are one of the body's great weaknesses...

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Nov 22, 2020 05:29:21   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Mask theory is about the prevention of spread...

We've discussed this...

That's why surgeons wear them... They aren't afraid of catching a disease from the patient...


Yes we have. Maybe that's why they call it Mask"Theory".

Just because surgeons wear them does not mean they work or achieve the purpose for which they were intended. Surgeons also used to use l***hes years ago to bleed the bad humors out of people. How did that work out?

Many years ago the whole world though the world was flat. World leaders were certain of it and would punish those "conspiracy theorists" who said the world was round. Simply believing something does not make it so.

I also notice you did not comment on the CDC Report that stated 70.6% of C***D Patients Always Wore a Mask. Are you telling me that all those mask wearers were infected by non-mask wearers? Is wearing a mask a reverse analogy of the RAID Bates Motel commercial which lets roaches in, but doesn't let them out?

Please explain to me why the recent Danish study involving 6,000 participants showing no statistical benefit of wearing a mask vs. not wearing a mask on infection rates does not irredeemably refute the basis of your Mask Theory?

Finally, how about some comments on what Arthur Firstenberg wrote, and the citations he gave while scouring all available medical literature on masks.

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Nov 22, 2020 05:29:51   #
Seth
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
It's true...

The lungs are one of the body's great weaknesses...


If you've ever heard Annie Haslam, Annie Lennox or Maria Ewing sing, you'd never guess that lungs were a great weakness.

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Nov 22, 2020 05:33:13   #
Seth
 
ACP45 wrote:
Yes we have. Maybe that's why they call it Mask"Theory".

Just because surgeons wear them does not mean they work or achieve the purpose for which they were intended. Surgeons also used to use l***hes years ago to bleed the bad humors out of people. How did that work out?

Many years ago the whole world though the world was flat. World leaders were certain of it and would punish those "conspiracy theorists" who said the world was round. Simply believing something does not make it so.

I also notice you did not comment on the CDC Report that stated 70.6% of C***D Patients Always Wore a Mask. Are you telling me that all those mask wearers were infected by non-mask wearers? Is wearing a mask a reverse analogy of the RAID Bates Motel commercial which lets roaches in, but doesn't let them out?

Please explain to me why the recent Danish study involving 6,000 participants showing no statistical benefit of wearing a mask vs. not wearing a mask on infection rates does not irredeemably refute the basis of your Mask Theory?

Finally, how about some comments on what Arthur Firstenberg wrote, and the citations he gave while scouring all available medical literature on masks.
Yes we have. Maybe that's why they call it Mask&qu... (show quote)



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Nov 22, 2020 05:33:21   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yes... They are exposed to any? and all pathogens in my vicinity...


True. That's why the body has an i****e s****m. It also has nothing to do with the main issue of whether a mask is statistically effective in the prevention of v***s spread.

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Nov 22, 2020 05:36:58   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Seth wrote:
If you've ever heard Annie Haslam, Annie Lennox or Maria Ewing sing, you'd never guess that lungs were a great weakness.


Thanks for the names. I'm not familiar with their work, but will check them out.

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Nov 22, 2020 05:49:42   #
Seth
 
ACP45 wrote:
Thanks for the names. I'm not familiar with their work, but will check them out.


Annie Haslam = Renaissance(awesome)

Annie Lennox = Eurythmics

Maria Ewing = Opera Singer, best in Carmen, BBC, available on YouTube.

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