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Nov 20, 2020 21:12:01   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
By Alan Whitley

Did we learn anything new from Rudy Giuliani's press conference today?

Rudy provided what would be a damming list of election errors, inconsistencies and fraud, which would leave a dark cloud of doubt hanging over the entire election process, that, regardless of what happened in the courts, would lead to a substantial proportion of US citizens refusing to accept a Biden win, and which could have unthinkable consequences, except for one comment he made.

When asked by a journalist at his news coverage for the evidence he had to support the raft of claims he made Rudy responded "I would love to release all the information I have. I would love to give it to you all, except most of you wouldn't cover it. A few of you would. Then we would have half of the American people properly informed”.

For Trump supporting Republican voters, this should be all you need to see through this complex, convoluted web of lies spun by your President and his lawyer that is a direct attack on the very constitutional rights you are defending so stoically.

Don't ignore the fact that 99% of the world's media is calling Trump out for his lies. Stop reading the same media that Trump is building his case from and look at what the world is saying. The Democrats don't have the power or the reach to have the world's media on their payroll. If you want an unbiased, non partisan perspective on what's happening in the USA, look outside the USA for these sources

Don't dismiss the 32 out of 33 court cases that Trump has filed and failed in. Your separation of powers enshrouded in your Constitution and legislation has not been spectacularly hijacked, nor has the US judiciary become a partisan Democratic movement overnight.

Consider why Republican leaning legal representatives and firms representing your President's claims before the courts have independently withdrawn their services immediately before having to present their case before the courts. There are no democratic threats of not getting work that they would run scared from. They have 47% of the population who would continue to support them, even more so by representing the President. This would have been their minute of fame propelling them and their firms into the lofty stratosphere of the legal fraternity if they had even the outline of a plausible case to present. No lawyer would pass up this opportunity for fame and fortune.

Most of all though, think carefully about Giuliani's response to providing the press with his evidence.

There is no truth in his statement only some would cover it. Every media outlet would publish it. Sure, many may try and debunk it, and provide alternate evidence or opinion on it, but they all would release it, and Rudy knows this.

Even if most media didn't publish it, anyone with any interest, which has to be the overwhelming majority of US citizens, would simply find it by going to one of the media sources who did publish it, and Rudy knows this also.

Let's say I'm wrong on both these points, and only half of Americans will be informed. So what? How does this in any way diminish the value of providing evidence for the claims that are made?

It is not because Trump's case will be diminished before the courts. In statements he has to provide the court and the other side with this information as discovery of the evidence prior to proceedings for it to be admissible.

If the substance is published and supports the claims, it's game over. The divided opinions will swing in Trump's favor. The world's media will get behind Trump's demands. The government's of the free world will agitate for the wrongs to be righted and for the rightful party to rule the US. Guiliani knows this is also true. He also knows he has no evidence, only convoluted, unsubstantiated rhetoric.

Your President is prosecuting the most deceitful, dangerous, divisive and treasonous attack on the very fabric of your society, for the benefit of himself, and he has shown he does not give-a-fuck about you, your nation or your Constitution and rights. This is only about Donald Trump.

He will continue to tear apart your nation if you let him. Please consider carefully the allegiance you have given him, because your belief in his claims is the oxygen fueling the fire that is burning at the very foundations of your great nation. I'm not suggesting you abandon your Republican conservative values, in fact I'm suggesting that you apply these very same values to protect your country and community from this existential threat and reject your President's dangerous and divisive rhetoric.

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Nov 20, 2020 21:28:51   #
Parky60 Loc: Champaign, IL
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
By Alan Whitley

Did we learn anything new from Rudy Giuliani's press conference today?

Rudy provided what would be a damming list of election errors, inconsistencies and fraud, which would leave a dark cloud of doubt hanging over the entire election process, that, regardless of what happened in the courts, would lead to a substantial proportion of US citizens refusing to accept a Biden win, and which could have unthinkable consequences, except for one comment he made.

When asked by a journalist at his news coverage for the evidence he had to support the raft of claims he made Rudy responded "I would love to release all the information I have. I would love to give it to you all, except most of you wouldn't cover it. A few of you would. Then we would have half of the American people properly informed”.

For Trump supporting Republican voters, this should be all you need to see through this complex, convoluted web of lies spun by your President and his lawyer that is a direct attack on the very constitutional rights you are defending so stoically.

Don't ignore the fact that 99% of the world's media is calling Trump out for his lies. Stop reading the same media that Trump is building his case from and look at what the world is saying. The Democrats don't have the power or the reach to have the world's media on their payroll. If you want an unbiased, non partisan perspective on what's happening in the USA, look outside the USA for these sources

Don't dismiss the 32 out of 33 court cases that Trump has filed and failed in. Your separation of powers enshrouded in your Constitution and legislation has not been spectacularly hijacked, nor has the US judiciary become a partisan Democratic movement overnight.

Consider why Republican leaning legal representatives and firms representing your President's claims before the courts have independently withdrawn their services immediately before having to present their case before the courts. There are no democratic threats of not getting work that they would run scared from. They have 47% of the population who would continue to support them, even more so by representing the President. This would have been their minute of fame propelling them and their firms into the lofty stratosphere of the legal fraternity if they had even the outline of a plausible case to present. No lawyer would pass up this opportunity for fame and fortune.

Most of all though, think carefully about Giuliani's response to providing the press with his evidence.

There is no truth in his statement only some would cover it. Every media outlet would publish it. Sure, many may try and debunk it, and provide alternate evidence or opinion on it, but they all would release it, and Rudy knows this.

Even if most media didn't publish it, anyone with any interest, which has to be the overwhelming majority of US citizens, would simply find it by going to one of the media sources who did publish it, and Rudy knows this also.

Let's say I'm wrong on both these points, and only half of Americans will be informed. So what? How does this in any way diminish the value of providing evidence for the claims that are made?

It is not because Trump's case will be diminished before the courts. In statements he has to provide the court and the other side with this information as discovery of the evidence prior to proceedings for it to be admissible.

If the substance is published and supports the claims, it's game over. The divided opinions will swing in Trump's favor. The world's media will get behind Trump's demands. The government's of the free world will agitate for the wrongs to be righted and for the rightful party to rule the US. Guiliani knows this is also true. He also knows he has no evidence, only convoluted, unsubstantiated rhetoric.

Your President is prosecuting the most deceitful, dangerous, divisive and treasonous attack on the very fabric of your society, for the benefit of himself, and he has shown he does not give-a-fuck about you, your nation or your Constitution and rights. This is only about Donald Trump.

He will continue to tear apart your nation if you let him. Please consider carefully the allegiance you have given him, because your belief in his claims is the oxygen fueling the fire that is burning at the very foundations of your great nation. I'm not suggesting you abandon your Republican conservative values, in fact I'm suggesting that you apply these very same values to protect your country and community from this existential threat and reject your President's dangerous and divisive rhetoric.
By Alan Whitley br br Did we learn anything new f... (show quote)

Of course you have bought into the lie... you've fallen for the great delusion that is unfolding throughout the world. Your 90-day bible study was a waste of money.

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Nov 20, 2020 21:29:59   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
Of course you have bought into the lie... you've fallen for the great delusion that is unfolding throughout the world. Your 90-day bible study was a waste of money.


Parky bro.. This was from a friend...

And makes some good points....

And... Bible study was free

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Nov 20, 2020 21:32:25   #
Parky60 Loc: Champaign, IL
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Parky bro.. This was from a friend...

And makes some good points....

And... Bible study was free

Bible study was still a waste if you don't know what I'm talking about. And apparently you agree with your post. If you don't, why post it?

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Nov 20, 2020 22:01:53   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
By Alan Whitley

Did we learn anything new from Rudy Giuliani's press conference today?

Rudy provided what would be a damming list of election errors, inconsistencies and fraud, which would leave a dark cloud of doubt hanging over the entire election process, that, regardless of what happened in the courts, would lead to a substantial proportion of US citizens refusing to accept a Biden win, and which could have unthinkable consequences, except for one comment he made.

When asked by a journalist at his news coverage for the evidence he had to support the raft of claims he made Rudy responded "I would love to release all the information I have. I would love to give it to you all, except most of you wouldn't cover it. A few of you would. Then we would have half of the American people properly informed”.

For Trump supporting Republican voters, this should be all you need to see through this complex, convoluted web of lies spun by your President and his lawyer that is a direct attack on the very constitutional rights you are defending so stoically.

Don't ignore the fact that 99% of the world's media is calling Trump out for his lies. Stop reading the same media that Trump is building his case from and look at what the world is saying. The Democrats don't have the power or the reach to have the world's media on their payroll. If you want an unbiased, non partisan perspective on what's happening in the USA, look outside the USA for these sources

Don't dismiss the 32 out of 33 court cases that Trump has filed and failed in. Your separation of powers enshrouded in your Constitution and legislation has not been spectacularly hijacked, nor has the US judiciary become a partisan Democratic movement overnight.

Consider why Republican leaning legal representatives and firms representing your President's claims before the courts have independently withdrawn their services immediately before having to present their case before the courts. There are no democratic threats of not getting work that they would run scared from. They have 47% of the population who would continue to support them, even more so by representing the President. This would have been their minute of fame propelling them and their firms into the lofty stratosphere of the legal fraternity if they had even the outline of a plausible case to present. No lawyer would pass up this opportunity for fame and fortune.

Most of all though, think carefully about Giuliani's response to providing the press with his evidence.

There is no truth in his statement only some would cover it. Every media outlet would publish it. Sure, many may try and debunk it, and provide alternate evidence or opinion on it, but they all would release it, and Rudy knows this.

Even if most media didn't publish it, anyone with any interest, which has to be the overwhelming majority of US citizens, would simply find it by going to one of the media sources who did publish it, and Rudy knows this also.

Let's say I'm wrong on both these points, and only half of Americans will be informed. So what? How does this in any way diminish the value of providing evidence for the claims that are made?

It is not because Trump's case will be diminished before the courts. In statements he has to provide the court and the other side with this information as discovery of the evidence prior to proceedings for it to be admissible.

If the substance is published and supports the claims, it's game over. The divided opinions will swing in Trump's favor. The world's media will get behind Trump's demands. The government's of the free world will agitate for the wrongs to be righted and for the rightful party to rule the US. Guiliani knows this is also true. He also knows he has no evidence, only convoluted, unsubstantiated rhetoric.

Your President is prosecuting the most deceitful, dangerous, divisive and treasonous attack on the very fabric of your society, for the benefit of himself, and he has shown he does not give-a-fuck about you, your nation or your Constitution and rights. This is only about Donald Trump.

He will continue to tear apart your nation if you let him. Please consider carefully the allegiance you have given him, because your belief in his claims is the oxygen fueling the fire that is burning at the very foundations of your great nation. I'm not suggesting you abandon your Republican conservative values, in fact I'm suggesting that you apply these very same values to protect your country and community from this existential threat and reject your President's dangerous and divisive rhetoric.
By Alan Whitley br br Did we learn anything new f... (show quote)


Trump wants to continue raising money. I suspect that history will rate him among the worst of U.S. President. I can't explain why so many intelligent people by into his lies & deceit? An interesting post.

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Nov 20, 2020 22:12:25   #
Parky60 Loc: Champaign, IL
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Trump wants to continue raising money. I suspect that history will rate him among the worst of U.S. President. I can't explain why so many intelligent people by into his lies & deceit? An interesting post.

Nah, it was one of his typical stupid posts. But then your location explains a lot.

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Nov 20, 2020 23:33:55   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
By Alan Whitley

Did we learn anything new from Rudy Giuliani's press conference today?

Rudy provided what would be a damming list of election errors, inconsistencies and fraud, which would leave a dark cloud of doubt hanging over the entire election process, that, regardless of what happened in the courts, would lead to a substantial proportion of US citizens refusing to accept a Biden win, and which could have unthinkable consequences, except for one comment he made.

When asked by a journalist at his news coverage for the evidence he had to support the raft of claims he made Rudy responded "I would love to release all the information I have. I would love to give it to you all, except most of you wouldn't cover it. A few of you would. Then we would have half of the American people properly informed”.

For Trump supporting Republican voters, this should be all you need to see through this complex, convoluted web of lies spun by your President and his lawyer that is a direct attack on the very constitutional rights you are defending so stoically.

Don't ignore the fact that 99% of the world's media is calling Trump out for his lies. Stop reading the same media that Trump is building his case from and look at what the world is saying. The Democrats don't have the power or the reach to have the world's media on their payroll. If you want an unbiased, non partisan perspective on what's happening in the USA, look outside the USA for these sources

Don't dismiss the 32 out of 33 court cases that Trump has filed and failed in. Your separation of powers enshrouded in your Constitution and legislation has not been spectacularly hijacked, nor has the US judiciary become a partisan Democratic movement overnight.

Consider why Republican leaning legal representatives and firms representing your President's claims before the courts have independently withdrawn their services immediately before having to present their case before the courts. There are no democratic threats of not getting work that they would run scared from. They have 47% of the population who would continue to support them, even more so by representing the President. This would have been their minute of fame propelling them and their firms into the lofty stratosphere of the legal fraternity if they had even the outline of a plausible case to present. No lawyer would pass up this opportunity for fame and fortune.

Most of all though, think carefully about Giuliani's response to providing the press with his evidence.

There is no truth in his statement only some would cover it. Every media outlet would publish it. Sure, many may try and debunk it, and provide alternate evidence or opinion on it, but they all would release it, and Rudy knows this.

Even if most media didn't publish it, anyone with any interest, which has to be the overwhelming majority of US citizens, would simply find it by going to one of the media sources who did publish it, and Rudy knows this also.

Let's say I'm wrong on both these points, and only half of Americans will be informed. So what? How does this in any way diminish the value of providing evidence for the claims that are made?

It is not because Trump's case will be diminished before the courts. In statements he has to provide the court and the other side with this information as discovery of the evidence prior to proceedings for it to be admissible.

If the substance is published and supports the claims, it's game over. The divided opinions will swing in Trump's favor. The world's media will get behind Trump's demands. The government's of the free world will agitate for the wrongs to be righted and for the rightful party to rule the US. Guiliani knows this is also true. He also knows he has no evidence, only convoluted, unsubstantiated rhetoric.

Your President is prosecuting the most deceitful, dangerous, divisive and treasonous attack on the very fabric of your society, for the benefit of himself, and he has shown he does not give-a-fuck about you, your nation or your Constitution and rights. This is only about Donald Trump.

He will continue to tear apart your nation if you let him. Please consider carefully the allegiance you have given him, because your belief in his claims is the oxygen fueling the fire that is burning at the very foundations of your great nation. I'm not suggesting you abandon your Republican conservative values, in fact I'm suggesting that you apply these very same values to protect your country and community from this existential threat and reject your President's dangerous and divisive rhetoric.
By Alan Whitley br br Did we learn anything new f... (show quote)


This will fall on deaf ears and small minds.

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Nov 20, 2020 23:56:41   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
Bible study was still a waste if you don't know what I'm talking about. And apparently you agree with your post. If you don't, why post it?

I enjoy the dialogue that these posts start....

The OP is well written and makes some good points...

Bible study is never a waste....

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Nov 20, 2020 23:58:27   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lpnmajor wrote:
This will fall on deaf ears and small minds.


Sometimes it takes a good clubbing to get people to start thinking

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Nov 21, 2020 01:14:04   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Parky bro.. This was from a friend...

And makes some good points....

And... Bible study was free


I seriously question why you posted this article from a "friend"! Downers are not helpful just now, and this was a downer.

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Nov 21, 2020 01:18:57   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Sometimes it takes a good clubbing to get people to start thinking


A good clubbing? Your idea here is woefully misdirected, even if well-intentioned. You gave fuel to the wrong set of people.

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Nov 21, 2020 04:35:21   #
Kevyn
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
By Alan Whitley

Did we learn anything new from Rudy Giuliani's press conference today?

Rudy provided what would be a damming list of election errors, inconsistencies and fraud, which would leave a dark cloud of doubt hanging over the entire election process, that, regardless of what happened in the courts, would lead to a substantial proportion of US citizens refusing to accept a Biden win, and which could have unthinkable consequences, except for one comment he made.

When asked by a journalist at his news coverage for the evidence he had to support the raft of claims he made Rudy responded "I would love to release all the information I have. I would love to give it to you all, except most of you wouldn't cover it. A few of you would. Then we would have half of the American people properly informed”.

For Trump supporting Republican voters, this should be all you need to see through this complex, convoluted web of lies spun by your President and his lawyer that is a direct attack on the very constitutional rights you are defending so stoically.

Don't ignore the fact that 99% of the world's media is calling Trump out for his lies. Stop reading the same media that Trump is building his case from and look at what the world is saying. The Democrats don't have the power or the reach to have the world's media on their payroll. If you want an unbiased, non partisan perspective on what's happening in the USA, look outside the USA for these sources

Don't dismiss the 32 out of 33 court cases that Trump has filed and failed in. Your separation of powers enshrouded in your Constitution and legislation has not been spectacularly hijacked, nor has the US judiciary become a partisan Democratic movement overnight.

Consider why Republican leaning legal representatives and firms representing your President's claims before the courts have independently withdrawn their services immediately before having to present their case before the courts. There are no democratic threats of not getting work that they would run scared from. They have 47% of the population who would continue to support them, even more so by representing the President. This would have been their minute of fame propelling them and their firms into the lofty stratosphere of the legal fraternity if they had even the outline of a plausible case to present. No lawyer would pass up this opportunity for fame and fortune.

Most of all though, think carefully about Giuliani's response to providing the press with his evidence.

There is no truth in his statement only some would cover it. Every media outlet would publish it. Sure, many may try and debunk it, and provide alternate evidence or opinion on it, but they all would release it, and Rudy knows this.

Even if most media didn't publish it, anyone with any interest, which has to be the overwhelming majority of US citizens, would simply find it by going to one of the media sources who did publish it, and Rudy knows this also.

Let's say I'm wrong on both these points, and only half of Americans will be informed. So what? How does this in any way diminish the value of providing evidence for the claims that are made?

It is not because Trump's case will be diminished before the courts. In statements he has to provide the court and the other side with this information as discovery of the evidence prior to proceedings for it to be admissible.

If the substance is published and supports the claims, it's game over. The divided opinions will swing in Trump's favor. The world's media will get behind Trump's demands. The government's of the free world will agitate for the wrongs to be righted and for the rightful party to rule the US. Guiliani knows this is also true. He also knows he has no evidence, only convoluted, unsubstantiated rhetoric.

Your President is prosecuting the most deceitful, dangerous, divisive and treasonous attack on the very fabric of your society, for the benefit of himself, and he has shown he does not give-a-fuck about you, your nation or your Constitution and rights. This is only about Donald Trump.

He will continue to tear apart your nation if you let him. Please consider carefully the allegiance you have given him, because your belief in his claims is the oxygen fueling the fire that is burning at the very foundations of your great nation. I'm not suggesting you abandon your Republican conservative values, in fact I'm suggesting that you apply these very same values to protect your country and community from this existential threat and reject your President's dangerous and divisive rhetoric.
By Alan Whitley br br Did we learn anything new f... (show quote)

The only fact that came out at Rudy’s little sideshow is that he colors his hair with shoe polish.

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Nov 21, 2020 08:06:46   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Parky60 wrote:
Nah, it was one of his typical stupid posts. But then your location explains a lot.


Talk about location, you must be in shock or hiding? I mean Illinois, big time Biden country. Unless you're one of those closet Biden supporters. Lol, which is it?

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Nov 21, 2020 08:08:22   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
manning5 wrote:
I seriously question why you posted this article from a "friend"! Downers are not helpful just now, and this was a downer.


Get over it. There was an election, people voted, trump lost. Time to move on.

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Nov 21, 2020 08:10:41   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
manning5 wrote:
I seriously question why you posted this article from a "friend"! Downers are not helpful just now, and this was a downer.


He is someone I respect and miss...

And I enjoy discussion... Heated or otherwise...

I'm somewhat fascinated that whenever I post an article such as this my right wing brothers prefer displaying shock that I would post it rather than attempting to discuss the points issued....

I must admit that I'm growing somewhat weary of hearing about voter fraud without credible evidence being presented.... How many cases have been dropped or thrown out so far

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