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Nov 18, 2020 15:12:14   #
DASHY
 
American Vet wrote:
And what happens when that employer has to pay more in wages? They either raise prices or cut back on employees.

Back to square one.


In the case of large corporate employers, the CEOs and upper management can reduce their pay to under a million a year or so. Profitable companies can share the wealth with their workers instead of their stockholders. Paying workers a wage they can actually live on would cut back on welfare payments. Welfare payments to poor people is something Republicans are always complaining about.

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Nov 18, 2020 15:15:02   #
MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio
 
jimpack123 wrote:
sounds like alot of Trump whine lol


What a cutting and succinct argument. You must be so proud of yourself. Have a cookie.

LOL? You really think that was funny. Maybe to you and sleepy, creepy Uncle Joe.

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Nov 18, 2020 15:51:39   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
jimpack123 wrote:
one , you can phase in the 15 a hr. Just think soon we will have a President who care about everyone in the USA


The main problem with Democrats is they simply do not understand simple economics. They think the $15 wage will cure the problems of the low earners. It won't. It will make the problems worse. Instead of having a low-paying job, they will have no job. For those unfortunate ones who have low job sk**ls and are only able to offer $5/hr worth of production, who do you think will pay the $10? Does that come out of thin air. Makes about as much sense as saying the guy making $20,000 per year is entitled to a Maserati. Sure he is, let's make the Maserati dealer sell the car to him for the price of a Nissan Sentra. Why worry about where the difference is going to come from. Did you even take Economics in school? You guys just don't think past your emotions. Before you say, "just raise prices," think that through a bit. I don't have to give you a semester course for you to see where that leads. I'm tired of this.

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Nov 18, 2020 15:55:27   #
rebelwidacoz Loc: Illinois
 
Simple Sam wrote:
Most Mom and Pop stores are not exempt if they employ anyone other than family members. But, you have a point. The FLSA allows for certain exemptions to minimum wage law. Minors, students, and employees with a physical or mental disability may be paid under the minimum wage in certain situations, if the employer has a certificate from the DOL.


I'm not Simple like you Sam [and other Trumpians`] I don't throw arbitrary baseless egotistical rhetoric off the top of my head that is obsequious to your massive feelings of g****r and sexual oriented inadequacies
The criteria for small business being subject to minimum wage laws is not a silly ass family member criterium , but the more pragmatic criteria of how much monetary business they do -and that is the amount of a half a million dollars - this figure was procured from the proper authoritative context , not my ego ;the figure three , which talks about how many employees' you have , concerns it self with only state minimum wage ,which is neither here nor there, because state laws do not usurp federal laws.

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Nov 18, 2020 16:15:10   #
American Vet
 
DASHY wrote:
In the case of large corporate employers, the CEOs and upper management can reduce their pay to under a million a year or so. Profitable companies can share the wealth with their workers instead of their stockholders.


Why? It is their corporation and they can do what they wish as long as it is legal.

But, consider this. What is a 'large' corporation? How many people work for that large corporation and receive pay and wh**ever benefits associated with their job? How many investors (stockholders) are there? These investors fund millions of retirement funds for even more people.

Here's a suggestion - you work you butt off, form a corporation, and then you give the profits to the workers. You are certainly free to do so.

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Nov 18, 2020 16:17:16   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
rebelwidacoz wrote:
I'm not Simple like you Sam [and other Trumpians`] I don't throw arbitrary baseless egotistical rhetoric off the top of my head that is obsequious to your massive feelings of g****r and sexual oriented inadequacies
The criteria for small business being subject to minimum wage laws is not a silly ass family member criterium , but the more pragmatic criteria of how much monetary business they do -and that is the amount of a half a million dollars - this figure was procured from the proper authoritative context , not my ego ;the figure three , which talks about how many employees' you have , concerns it self with only state minimum wage ,which is neither here nor there, because state laws do not usurp federal laws.
I'm not Simple like you Sam and other Trumpians` ... (show quote)


Well, if you bothered to look at the Overview of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), you would not try to be so insulting. The wording in my response was taken from them. Here is the link. And here is the link for family members, https://www.employmentlawhandbook.com/flsa/complying-with-minimum-wage-laws/#:~:text=The%20federal%20minimum%20wage%20is%20the%20hourly%20wage,the%20federal%20minimum%20wage%20is%20%247.25%20per%20hour. "The federal minimum wage is the hourly wage that employers are required to pay employees who are eligible under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). The FLSA applies to most employees. (An example of an exception is a family member of a small family business.) Currently, the federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour."

Now, I am quite certain you know where to shove your condescending attitude.

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Nov 18, 2020 16:21:47   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Simple Sam wrote:
Well, if you bothered to look at the Overview of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), you would not try to be so insulting. The wording in my response was taken from them. Here is the link. And here is the link for family members, https://www.employmentlawhandbook.com/flsa/complying-with-minimum-wage-laws/#:~:text=The%20federal%20minimum%20wage%20is%20the%20hourly%20wage,the%20federal%20minimum%20wage%20is%20%247.25%20per%20hour. "The federal minimum wage is the hourly wage that employers are required to pay employees who are eligible under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). The FLSA applies to most employees. (An example of an exception is a family member of a small family business.) Currently, the federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour."

Now, I am quite certain you know where to shove your condescending attitude.
Well, if you bothered to look at the Overview of t... (show quote)



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Nov 18, 2020 17:40:32   #
MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio
 
DASHY wrote:
In the case of large corporate employers, the CEOs and upper management can reduce their pay to under a million a year or so. Profitable companies can share the wealth with their workers instead of their stockholders. Paying workers a wage they can actually live on would cut back on welfare payments. Welfare payments to poor people is something Republicans are always complaining about.


You're just to dumb to believe, or you're trolling. What would ANYONE'S motivation be for buying a stock if the company did that? And workers don't get welfare. They get a paycheck.

Never mind. You have to be a troll. You can't be this stupid.

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Nov 18, 2020 18:08:16   #
American Vet
 
MatthewlovesAyn wrote:
You're just to dumb to believe, or you're trolling. What would ANYONE'S motivation be for buying a stock if the company did that? And workers don't get welfare. They get a paycheck.

Never mind. You have to be a troll. You can't be this stupid.


You are incorrect: dashy can exceed your expectations in being stupid....

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Nov 18, 2020 18:16:04   #
MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio
 
American Vet wrote:
You are incorrect: dashy can exceed your expectations in being stupid....


The milk just came out of my nose.

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Nov 18, 2020 18:49:45   #
JeffK56barker
 
Bet if you own a small business,YOU only pay them minimum wage..($7.50 hr.) Now double it and keep your prices the same. No you say??? Will raise prices 150%. You lose, now you pay more than your incense in wages....Enjoy

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Nov 18, 2020 19:29:12   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
JeffK56barker wrote:
Bet if you own a small business,YOU only pay them minimum wage..($7.50 hr.) Now double it and keep your prices the same. No you say??? Will raise prices 150%. You lose, now you pay more than your incense in wages....Enjoy


I don't think what say will follow. How does a franchise owner like McDonalds or Burger King or hundreds of others raise their prices? Do you know what would happen if they did? Think about it. You're putting them out of business. It sounds simple on the face, but it isn't. A worker has to be able to produce enough to make himself profitable. If not, the employer is losing money on every sale. If you force wages up, it is eventually going to have a repercussion that will come back to hurt the person you are trying to help. The minimum wage can't be viewed as an end but a means for a person to gain sk**ls that will enable him to move up to a higher wage. Have you noticed the robotics and labor saving devices being introduced such as computer ordering at McDonalds and other places that are effectively offsetting the effects of the minimum wage? You can make all kinds of assertions about how unjust it is to force people to work for those wages but when it all shakes out, we will arrive at an equilibrium which is going to bring us back to where we started. Price controls have never worked, wage controls have never worked.

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Nov 18, 2020 19:31:32   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
DASHY wrote:
Your P.S. aptly describes Current president Donald Trump.


AMEN

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Nov 18, 2020 19:53:18   #
MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
I don't think what say will follow. How does a franchise owner like McDonalds or Burger King or hundreds of others raise their prices? Do you know what would happen if they did? Think about it. You're putting them out of business. It sounds simple on the face, but it isn't. A worker has to be able to produce enough to make himself profitable. If not, the employer is losing money on every sale. If you force wages up, it is eventually going to have a repercussion that will come back to hurt the person you are trying to help. The minimum wage can't be viewed as an end but a means for a person to gain sk**ls that will enable him to move up to a higher wage. Have you noticed the robotics and labor saving devices being introduced such as computer ordering at McDonalds and other places that are effectively offsetting the effects of the minimum wage? You can make all kinds of assertions about how unjust it is to force people to work for those wages but when it all shakes out, we will arrive at an equilibrium which is going to bring us back to where we started. Price controls have never worked, wage controls have never worked.
I don't think what say will follow. How does a fr... (show quote)


Seems irrefutable doesn't it. Yet dashy and his ilk seem to be incapable of adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 4.

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Nov 18, 2020 19:56:57   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
MatthewlovesAyn wrote:
Seems irrefutable doesn't it. Yet dashy and his ilk seem to be incapable of adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 4.


The whole Democrat party thinks the same way.

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