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Oct 24, 2020 18:24:39   #
SSDD
 
manning5 wrote:
Liberality

"Verbal Verbosity" is a well-known trait of leftwing elitist pseudo-intellectuals, according to Thomas Sowell. The recent posts of SSDD, straightUp and others illustrates this trait perfectly. Their play on the idea of hypocrisy is in itself hypocritical.

Hypocrisy is yet another trait of the l*****t atheistic ilk. Their supposed freedom from religious thought leaves them flapping in the wind with no positive direction in life except negativity, and an inflated sense of their own importance, plus contempt for those who have a real religion as opposed to a non-religious religion-atheism.

These posters also appear to fit the Manifesto copied below:

The Liberal Manifesto

Paraphrased from "The Liberal Mind"--E. Rossiter

1. We are all children of a parental government...
2. Self-reliance and the role of individual responsibility should be diminished in this society in favor of collective caretaking administered by the state.
3. The individual cannot exist without the state.
4. Because most citizens are not competent to run their own lives, they need government guidance to do what is good for them.
5. Collectivism is the proper political philosophy for an ordered society.
6. A good life is a government entitlement owed to each citizen regardless of the nature and quality of his acts and their usefulness to others.
7. In respect to economic and social situations, prior binding contracts or agreements based on tradition may be invalidated by the authority of the government.
8. A large government regulatory apparatus is needed to exercise control over the citizenry and to ensure that social justice is assured.
9. Massive welfare programs that are administered by the state at taxpayer expense are necessary to meet the needs of the disadvantaged.
10. Men should not be held responsible for their bad actions, but rather such actions should be viewed as the collective fault of the society.
11. Traditional ideas about the separateness and sovereignty of the individual are invalid.
12. Material subsidies are to be paid to persons designated by the state based on need, suffering, or ine******y, not on merit or desert.
13. Human nature is highly malleable.
14. Descriptions of how to act and how not to act should not be based on the distilled ethical and moral wisdom of the centuries, but through canons of political correctness or evolved through the creation of alternative lifestyles in a spirit of cultural correctness.
15. Established traditions of decency, courtesy, and sexual repression are unduly restrictive and should be rejected because they support class distinctions that oppose the liberal ideal of social e******y. Pornography is good.
16. Rules governing human interactions that have evolved over centuries deserve no respect. Traditional Judeo-Christian moral and ethical codes such as the Golden Rule must be rewritten to reflect modern ideals of moral relativity and multicultural correctness.
17. E******y before the law is a fiction.
18. An individual who commits a bad act should not be held personally responsible for what he does even if he does it with malicious intent.
19. US foreign policy makers should assume the American imperialism and capitalist exploitation have been major factors in provoking aggressive acts by other nations and by religious or ethnic groups.
20. It is the duty of the state to determine which groups or classes of persons suffer from deficits in material security and in social and political status and to cure these deficits through government action.
21. Time-honored conceptions of justice as reflected in common sense, ethical philosophy, judicial practice and the history of political thought are invalid.
22. Traditional ideal of self-determination, self-responsibility and self-reliance are invalid.
23. Economic activity should be carefully controlled by the government.
24. An adult citizen's time, work effort and ability must be largely apportioned to the state.
25. The primary purpose of politics is the creation of an ideal collective society run by a liberal elite committed to a just redistribution of economic, social and political goods.
26. The traditional social institutions of marriage and family are not very important and should yield to progressive alternative lifestyles that emphasize the satisfaction of sexual and relational needs.

The shoe fits!
Liberality br br "Verbal Verbosity" is ... (show quote)


Ah, paraphrasing by one so far from center it likely involves international phone rates to call there, and lest we forget, also by someone that believes in conspiracy theories. Sure, the paraphrasing is bound to be an accurate representation.

Sorry, I prefer moderation to lunacy which is why I am neither a "l*****t" nor a "rightist", more of a "centrist". Odd that you haven't noticed that I keep saying people should work towards the CENTER, Never said "Let's all gravitate to the left", nice try though.

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Oct 25, 2020 12:00:32   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
SSDD wrote:
Ah, paraphrasing by one so far from center it likely involves international phone rates to call there, and lest we forget, also by someone that believes in conspiracy theories. Sure, the paraphrasing is bound to be an accurate representation.

Sorry, I prefer moderation to lunacy which is why I am neither a "l*****t" nor a "rightist", more of a "centrist". Odd that you haven't noticed that I keep saying people should work towards the CENTER, Never said "Let's all gravitate to the left", nice try though.
Ah, paraphrasing by one so far from center it like... (show quote)


So you profess to be a Mugwump, feeding on both sides of the political spectrum! That raises the possibility that you are also a religious Mugwump; i.e. an agnostic. You must have a very conflicted worldview, even if you haven't ever written it down, studied it, and realized the flaws in Mugwumpery!

A Mugwump most certainly cannot tell a factual movement from a conspiracy, but in this case we don't have to wait too long now to have the t***h revealed anyway. Get the popcorn ready and sit on your fence!
HAND!

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Oct 25, 2020 17:56:14   #
Cuda2020
 
straightUp wrote:
LOL - I want to call that an understatement. It took Obama his entire first term to pull America out of the mess Bush left us with. I think it will be critical that Joe get a solid staff under him... with people that actually know what they are doing. That means he needs to "drain the swamp" of incompetent loyalists that Trump gathered together.


Mc Connell for me, is as far as I can spit. My god how I am hoping he loses this e******n, someone retire the old chicken, please. Speaking of that when are term limits for representatives ever going to take place? This is one issue, people on both sides of the fence agree on, for crying out loud. Lets push the pedal to the metal on that one. The swamp won't be able to get so damn deep if we do.

Biden has a list of great *qualified*people from the EPA on up that I'm sure would like to come back to their old jobs, and Biden will actually listen to them.

I think Kamala will be a great right hand person. She said she's ready and man, I believe her! I would love to see her debate Trump just for sh*ts and giggles. What a clean up that would be, she's a fighter, not a paper tiger.

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Oct 25, 2020 18:55:23   #
Cuda2020
 
manning5 wrote:
Liberality

"Verbal Verbosity" is a well-known trait of leftwing elitist pseudo-intellectuals, according to Thomas Sowell. The recent posts of SSDD, straightUp and others illustrates this trait perfectly. Their play on the idea of hypocrisy is in itself hypocritical.

Hypocrisy is yet another trait of the l*****t atheistic ilk. Their supposed freedom from religious thought leaves them flapping in the wind with no positive direction in life except negativity, and an inflated sense of their own importance, plus contempt for those who have a real religion as opposed to a non-religious religion-atheism.

These posters also appear to fit the Manifesto copied below:

The Liberal Manifesto

Paraphrased from "The Liberal Mind"--E. Rossiter

1. We are all children of a parental government...
2. Self-reliance and the role of individual responsibility should be diminished in this society in favor of collective caretaking administered by the state.
3. The individual cannot exist without the state.
4. Because most citizens are not competent to run their own lives, they need government guidance to do what is good for them.
5. Collectivism is the proper political philosophy for an ordered society.
6. A good life is a government entitlement owed to each citizen regardless of the nature and quality of his acts and their usefulness to others.
7. In respect to economic and social situations, prior binding contracts or agreements based on tradition may be invalidated by the authority of the government.
8. A large government regulatory apparatus is needed to exercise control over the citizenry and to ensure that social justice is assured.
9. Massive welfare programs that are administered by the state at taxpayer expense are necessary to meet the needs of the disadvantaged.
10. Men should not be held responsible for their bad actions, but rather such actions should be viewed as the collective fault of the society.
11. Traditional ideas about the separateness and sovereignty of the individual are invalid.
12. Material subsidies are to be paid to persons designated by the state based on need, suffering, or ine******y, not on merit or desert.
13. Human nature is highly malleable.
14. Descriptions of how to act and how not to act should not be based on the distilled ethical and moral wisdom of the centuries, but through canons of political correctness or evolved through the creation of alternative lifestyles in a spirit of cultural correctness.
15. Established traditions of decency, courtesy, and sexual repression are unduly restrictive and should be rejected because they support class distinctions that oppose the liberal ideal of social e******y. Pornography is good.
16. Rules governing human interactions that have evolved over centuries deserve no respect. Traditional Judeo-Christian moral and ethical codes such as the Golden Rule must be rewritten to reflect modern ideals of moral relativity and multicultural correctness.
17. E******y before the law is a fiction.
18. An individual who commits a bad act should not be held personally responsible for what he does even if he does it with malicious intent.
19. US foreign policy makers should assume the American imperialism and capitalist exploitation have been major factors in provoking aggressive acts by other nations and by religious or ethnic groups.
20. It is the duty of the state to determine which groups or classes of persons suffer from deficits in material security and in social and political status and to cure these deficits through government action.
21. Time-honored conceptions of justice as reflected in common sense, ethical philosophy, judicial practice and the history of political thought are invalid.
22. Traditional ideal of self-determination, self-responsibility and self-reliance are invalid.
23. Economic activity should be carefully controlled by the government.
24. An adult citizen's time, work effort and ability must be largely apportioned to the state.
25. The primary purpose of politics is the creation of an ideal collective society run by a liberal elite committed to a just redistribution of economic, social and political goods.
26. The traditional social institutions of marriage and family are not very important and should yield to progressive alternative lifestyles that emphasize the satisfaction of sexual and relational needs.

The shoe fits!
Liberality br br "Verbal Verbosity" is ... (show quote)



I would include yourself in the pseudo-intellectual hypocritical category my friend with your name calling post.

Your cut and paste from The book by E Rossiter is reviewed as:

In a nutshell, the book's thesis is, 'My political views are so obviously correct that anyone who doesn't accept them just has to be nuts.' It presupposes the t***h of a right-wing political outlook and then tries to plumb the reasons why other people do not accept this t***h, the conclusion being that they have to be in massive denial. He chastises liberals for being "uncivil, overly sure of their correctness, and willfully ignorant of facts that contradict their worldview."

It's just another yawn of h**e occupied slander. If I were you, I'd check yourself before knocking off a page full insults. All steeped in ignorance with its tribal party bias.

Joan Swirsky, a fan of the book, notes that it "avoids all the usual psychobabble." We hazard a guess that this is because the book does not contain any actual psychological science.

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Oct 25, 2020 20:50:00   #
SSDD
 
manning5 wrote:
So you profess to be a Mugwump, feeding on both sides of the political spectrum! That raises the possibility that you are also a religious Mugwump; i.e. an agnostic. You must have a very conflicted worldview, even if you haven't ever written it down, studied it, and realized the flaws in Mugwumpery!

A Mugwump most certainly cannot tell a factual movement from a conspiracy, but in this case we don't have to wait too long now to have the t***h revealed anyway. Get the popcorn ready and sit on your fence!
HAND!
So you profess to be a Mugwump, feeding on both si... (show quote)


I couldn't care less what a conspiracy theorist thinks of me, if one believes every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike, it speaks ill of both their sanity and their intellect. Enjoy your Q-anon.

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Oct 25, 2020 21:46:24   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
SSDD wrote:
I couldn't care less what a conspiracy theorist thinks of me, if one believes every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike, it speaks ill of both their sanity and their intellect. Enjoy your Q-anon.


Just have patience, and all will be solved!

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Oct 26, 2020 14:12:37   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I would include yourself in the pseudo-intellectual hypocritical category my friend with your name calling post.

Your cut and paste from The book by E Rossiter is reviewed as:

In a nutshell, the book's thesis is, 'My political views are so obviously correct that anyone who doesn't accept them just has to be nuts.' It presupposes the t***h of a right-wing political outlook and then tries to plumb the reasons why other people do not accept this t***h, the conclusion being that they have to be in massive denial. He chastises liberals for being "uncivil, overly sure of their correctness, and willfully ignorant of facts that contradict their worldview."

It's just another yawn of h**e occupied slander. If I were you, I'd check yourself before knocking off a page full insults. All steeped in ignorance with its tribal party bias.

Joan Swirsky, a fan of the book, notes that it "avoids all the usual psychobabble." We hazard a guess that this is because the book does not contain any actual psychological science.
I would include yourself in the pseudo-intellectua... (show quote)


From simple observations just here on OPP, many of the leftwing posters seem to fit the Rossiter paradigm, and further into other social media the toll grows rather rapidly. I suspect you might not fit the paradigm very well, however, hence your condemnation of my post and hazard of guesses. You seem to have a modicum of sanity, but many, many others do fit!

But then, you turn around and commit exactly the sin Rossiter called out: invectives!

The lesson here seems to be "if the shoe fits, wear it!"

It matters little whether you disagree or not when so many of your l*****t brethren do fit so well, with their totally irrational Green Plan, and the AOC Team, Sanders, and AK...touting Collectivism and other nonsense. Even Biden appears to have joined that crowd!

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Nov 7, 2020 02:22:21   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Great deflection

Well, that answered my question
Great deflection img src="https://static.onepolit... (show quote)


CD.

in your mind , it is a great deflection, but it is true, you are a foreigner in both China and in Canada.

That's the fate of so called "expats". Your personality on "wechats" is so different than here on the OPP.

Why is that?

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Nov 7, 2020 10:21:40   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Mc Connell for me, is as far as I can spit. My god how I am hoping he loses this e******n, someone retire the old chicken, please. Speaking of that when are term limits for representatives ever going to take place? This is one issue, people on both sides of the fence agree on, for crying out loud. Lets push the pedal to the metal on that one. The swamp won't be able to get so damn deep if we do.

I know... Mitch is disgrace to America. But even so, I'm actually not on board with term limits. Public office is a job for which experience is a credit. There is no other job that can prepare a candidate for public office like public office itself. Running a business for instance is one of the most ridiculous credentials possible because public office is NOT a business.

I understand the frustration that comes with longtime assholes like McConnell but the Constitution already gives people the chance to v**e any Senator out of office every six years and if things get so bad that we can't wait six years, the Constitution also give us the power to impeach a Senator and remove him from office immediately.

If we have to set term limits because we can't trust our own judgement in a democracy, maybe we should just go back to a monarchy.

Barracuda2020 wrote:

Biden has a list of great *qualified*people from the EPA on up that I'm sure would like to come back to their old jobs, and Biden will actually listen to them.

Yes, if I were Biden, I would just fire all the inexperienced loyalists that Trump hired and give the real experts their jobs back and maybe even give them some retro pay out of the taxes we put back on the country club elite.

Then get rid of those i***t lists of words that Trump prohibited the EPA and the CDC from mentioning so that scientists and doctors can get back to informing the people of critical issues.

Remember that list?

1. vulnerable
2. entitlement
3. diversity
4. t*********r
5. fetus
6. evidence-based
7. science-based


https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2017/12/16/here-are-7-words-that-the-trump-administration-is-reportedly-banning-at-cdc/?sh=690416194c74

Barracuda2020 wrote:

I think Kamala will be a great right hand person. She said she's ready and man, I believe her! I would love to see her debate Trump just for sh*ts and giggles. What a clean up that would be, she's a fighter, not a paper tiger.

Yeah, Kamala kicks a$$ and she has no room for BS.

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Nov 7, 2020 10:33:26   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
manning5 wrote:
So you profess to be a Mugwump, feeding on both sides of the political spectrum! That raises the possibility that you are also a religious Mugwump; i.e. an agnostic. You must have a very conflicted worldview, even if you haven't ever written it down, studied it, and realized the flaws in Mugwumpery!

A Mugwump most certainly cannot tell a factual movement from a conspiracy, but in this case we don't have to wait too long now to have the t***h revealed anyway. Get the popcorn ready and sit on your fence!
HAND!
So you profess to be a Mugwump, feeding on both si... (show quote)


Dude, a mugwump is someone who isn't married to any particular party. In that sense, I am a mugwump. The term was first used to describe Republicans that walked away from their party to join Democrats in supporting Grover Cleveland in the 1884 e******n.

Also, being agnostic is anything but religious. Religion is based on the acceptance of a stated t***h. Being agnostic means you aren't so sure that what is being stated is true.

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Nov 7, 2020 11:17:33   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
manning5 wrote:
From simple observations just here on OPP, many of the leftwing posters seem to fit the Rossiter paradigm, and further into other social media the toll grows rather rapidly. I suspect you might not fit the paradigm very well, however, hence your condemnation of my post and hazard of guesses. You seem to have a modicum of sanity, but many, many others do fit!

But then, you turn around and commit exactly the sin Rossiter called out: invectives!

The lesson here seems to be "if the shoe fits, wear it!"

It matters little whether you disagree or not when so many of your l*****t brethren do fit so well, with their totally irrational Green Plan, and the AOC Team, Sanders, and AK...touting Collectivism and other nonsense. Even Biden appears to have joined that crowd!
From simple observations just here on OPP, many of... (show quote)


I could be wrong but it seems that you're getting so hung up on the verbosity of language that you're missing the points being made. I have noticed this is becoming quite a trend in the lesser educated demographics, where verbosity is often seen as superficial. But the fact is, all those fancy words DO have purpose and those who have the vocabulary to match get through it to see the point in a more concise manner.

It's a matter of resolution. If you want a more accurate picture, you add more pixels... if you want a more accurate language, you add more words.

There is no doubt a constituency of plutocrats that get ahead by s**mming Americans and they are being challenged by those educated enough to see the game. Unfortunately, there is also a large number of lesser educated people that don't see it and the plutocrats know that by persuading them to distrust the language of their more educated peers they can split the democracy and neutralize the threat of educated citizens.

So there's your paradigms.

There is nothing irrational about the green plan but it does present a threat to the plutocrats with fortunes invested in f****l f**l and they know there is a good chance they can neutralize that threat by splitting the democracy which they know they can do by instilling among the lesser educated, a mistrust of the more educated. Rossiter is obviously part of that effort.

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Nov 7, 2020 22:14:45   #
SSDD
 
straightUp wrote:
Dude, a mugwump is someone who isn't married to any particular party. In that sense, I am a mugwump. The term was first used to describe Republicans that walked away from their party to join Democrats in supporting Grover Cleveland in the 1884 e******n.

Also, being agnostic is anything but religious. Religion is based on the acceptance of a stated t***h. Being agnostic means you aren't so sure that what is being stated is true.


One issue with your post, "Religion is based on the acceptance of a 'stated t***h'." or "Religion is based on the acceptance of a (list of) statement(s) proclaimed to be true." might be more accurate statements. "acceptance of a stated t***h" implies that there is no question of validity.

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Nov 7, 2020 22:19:52   #
SSDD
 
straightUp wrote:
I could be wrong but it seems that you're getting so hung up on the verbosity of language that you're missing the points being made. I have noticed this is becoming quite a trend in the lesser educated demographics, where verbosity is often seen as superficial. But the fact is, all those fancy words DO have purpose and those who have the vocabulary to match get through it to see the point in a more concise manner.

It's a matter of resolution. If you want a more accurate picture, you add more pixels... if you want a more accurate language, you add more words.

There is no doubt a constituency of plutocrats that get ahead by s**mming Americans and they are being challenged by those educated enough to see the game. Unfortunately, there is also a large number of lesser educated people that don't see it and the plutocrats know that by persuading them to distrust the language of their more educated peers they can split the democracy and neutralize the threat of educated citizens.

So there's your paradigms.

There is nothing irrational about the green plan but it does present a threat to the plutocrats with fortunes invested in f****l f**l and they know there is a good chance they can neutralize that threat by splitting the democracy which they know they can do by instilling among the lesser educated, a mistrust of the more educated. Rossiter is obviously part of that effort.
I could be wrong but it seems that you're getting ... (show quote)


I whole-heartedly agree with you here. There is nothing wrong with a healthy vocabulary, everyone should have one. It is a damning condemnation of the American education system and a vivid example of the accuracy of the movie "Idiocracy". We have a very dim future indeed.

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Nov 8, 2020 00:50:54   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
straightUp wrote:
I could be wrong but it seems that you're getting so hung up on the verbosity of language that you're missing the points being made. I have noticed this is becoming quite a trend in the lesser educated demographics, where verbosity is often seen as superficial. But the fact is, all those fancy words DO have purpose and those who have the vocabulary to match get through it to see the point in a more concise manner.

It's a matter of resolution. If you want a more accurate picture, you add more pixels... if you want a more accurate language, you add more words.

There is no doubt a constituency of plutocrats that get ahead by s**mming Americans and they are being challenged by those educated enough to see the game. Unfortunately, there is also a large number of lesser educated people that don't see it and the plutocrats know that by persuading them to distrust the language of their more educated peers they can split the democracy and neutralize the threat of educated citizens.

So there's your paradigms.

There is nothing irrational about the green plan but it does present a threat to the plutocrats with fortunes invested in f****l f**l and they know there is a good chance they can neutralize that threat by splitting the democracy which they know they can do by instilling among the lesser educated, a mistrust of the more educated. Rossiter is obviously part of that effort.
I could be wrong but it seems that you're getting ... (show quote)


straightUp,

Herr Rossiter hails to the Weimar Republic times, about the years you were born. He had no idea of the culture of unionized public servants like you, but he envisioned it.

It would do you well to read some of his texts instead of mulling about who is "lesser educated" versus the elite, and we can guess where you would rather belong. The pseudo-philosophizing does not provide a mask.

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Nov 8, 2020 05:35:07   #
Cuda2020
 
manning5 wrote:
Liberality

"Verbal Verbosity" is a well-known trait of leftwing elitist pseudo-intellectuals, according to Thomas Sowell. The recent posts of SSDD, straightUp and others illustrates this trait perfectly. Their play on the idea of hypocrisy is in itself hypocritical.

Hypocrisy is yet another trait of the l*****t atheistic ilk. Their supposed freedom from religious thought leaves them flapping in the wind with no positive direction in life except negativity, and an inflated sense of their own importance, plus contempt for those who have a real religion as opposed to a non-religious religion-atheism.

These posters also appear to fit the Manifesto copied below:

The Liberal Manifesto

Paraphrased from "The Liberal Mind"--E. Rossiter

1. We are all children of a parental government...
2. Self-reliance and the role of individual responsibility should be diminished in this society in favor of collective caretaking administered by the state.
3. The individual cannot exist without the state.
4. Because most citizens are not competent to run their own lives, they need government guidance to do what is good for them.
5. Collectivism is the proper political philosophy for an ordered society.
6. A good life is a government entitlement owed to each citizen regardless of the nature and quality of his acts and their usefulness to others.
7. In respect to economic and social situations, prior binding contracts or agreements based on tradition may be invalidated by the authority of the government.
8. A large government regulatory apparatus is needed to exercise control over the citizenry and to ensure that social justice is assured.
9. Massive welfare programs that are administered by the state at taxpayer expense are necessary to meet the needs of the disadvantaged.
10. Men should not be held responsible for their bad actions, but rather such actions should be viewed as the collective fault of the society.
11. Traditional ideas about the separateness and sovereignty of the individual are invalid.
12. Material subsidies are to be paid to persons designated by the state based on need, suffering, or ine******y, not on merit or desert.
13. Human nature is highly malleable.
14. Descriptions of how to act and how not to act should not be based on the distilled ethical and moral wisdom of the centuries, but through canons of political correctness or evolved through the creation of alternative lifestyles in a spirit of cultural correctness.
15. Established traditions of decency, courtesy, and sexual repression are unduly restrictive and should be rejected because they support class distinctions that oppose the liberal ideal of social e******y. Pornography is good.
16. Rules governing human interactions that have evolved over centuries deserve no respect. Traditional Judeo-Christian moral and ethical codes such as the Golden Rule must be rewritten to reflect modern ideals of moral relativity and multicultural correctness.
17. E******y before the law is a fiction.
18. An individual who commits a bad act should not be held personally responsible for what he does even if he does it with malicious intent.
19. US foreign policy makers should assume the American imperialism and capitalist exploitation have been major factors in provoking aggressive acts by other nations and by religious or ethnic groups.
20. It is the duty of the state to determine which groups or classes of persons suffer from deficits in material security and in social and political status and to cure these deficits through government action.
21. Time-honored conceptions of justice as reflected in common sense, ethical philosophy, judicial practice and the history of political thought are invalid.
22. Traditional ideal of self-determination, self-responsibility and self-reliance are invalid.
23. Economic activity should be carefully controlled by the government.
24. An adult citizen's time, work effort and ability must be largely apportioned to the state.
25. The primary purpose of politics is the creation of an ideal collective society run by a liberal elite committed to a just redistribution of economic, social and political goods.
26. The traditional social institutions of marriage and family are not very important and should yield to progressive alternative lifestyles that emphasize the satisfaction of sexual and relational needs.

The shoe fits!
Liberality br br "Verbal Verbosity" is ... (show quote)

Great another anti party cut and paste, how independent of thought.

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