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Oct 20, 2020 15:56:06   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Sorry, the whole thing did not come across. My bad. Here is the entire text:

Okay. You are done with me. But I'm going to address your post anyway, because others see this. And falsehoods should be addressed.
You said:
First, I never said it was a "Liberal" never mentioned Liberal at all, I said progressive, there's a difference between the two. Many, as yourself, use the terms interchangeably, they are not synonyms. While the Liberals believe in balancing liberty with social justice. They tend to support gay marriage, legalizing marijuana, protecting the environment and improving e******y. They allow certain liberties to be sacrificed (like not allowing landlords to refuse someone based on their race). Alternatively, Liberal can also be used (usually negatively) to describe someone who believes that the government can and should use tax dollars to play an active role in improving communities and promoting the general welfare of the country.
Progressive do generally agree with this philosophy but they also additionally share a general belief in the interconnections of individuals and why they're of the opinion the government should collect taxes and also spend it to improve communities.
Progressives recognize problems and try to define and address the systemic rules, laws and traditions that enable and empower the problems in the first place. Additionally, Progressives share a general belief in the interconnections of individuals and the philosophy that “when you hurt, I hurt."
Liberal... technically refers to having trust in the free market to yield the best results, in most or all industries. But that’s not how it’s used in a modern context. Actually, they are quite far from the thought of a socialistic government, that's a pure lie, that is fabricated to make people afraid of t***sitioning to the left from the right. Unfortunately, it's a harmful lie as it pins American's against American's, as we've all witnessed with posts here from the right, disparaging all who are not on the Trump far leaning right.
My Response: You are correct. You did not say "liberal". You are also correct in that I, and others, tend to use the terms interchangeably. As I see it, the differences in the two are minor, and the similarities major.
But I will accept your definitions, in general. Liberals and progressives also exhibit a lot of additional unsavory traits that you failed to mention. i won't enumerate them here. We all know them.

You said:
So you see progressivism has not changed, they're intentions are still at its core and that is btw to make a better America.
My Response:
In my opinion you are not just wrong, but abysmally wrong. You are drawing a conclusion, based on your definitions, that leave out the tactics employed by the left, with the hearty approval of the progressives...assuming there is actually a difference in the two. The left wants an America with them in total control, and them instructing every citizen in the "correct" way to live and what actions are acceptable.
They want their definition of "social justice" to be the law of the land. I do not.

You said:
What do you mean in the way I am stating it? I knew you would disagree with the phrase of a living document, it is and that's a fact, look up what a living document is. What makes it a living document ARE the AMENMENTS!
My Response:
Then by all means USE the amendments! To that extent, if you choose to use the adjective "living", I have no problem with that. What I, and conservatives like me, strongly oppose is treating the Constitution like it is subject to interpretation based on the desires of society, or current culture mores, or the opinions of politicians. If it needs changing, fine. Propose, pass, and implement an amendment. But the left can't get what they want through the amendment process, so they violate and/or reinterpret the Constitution to get what they want. Primarily by using activist judges. I want NONactivist judges who follow the Constitution.

You said:
You sit there and have the gall to talk about me in other posts and how insulting I am as you once again insult, offend, and disparage half the citizens in this country with your h**eful rhetoric.
My Response:
What h**eful rhetoric? Apparently disagreeing with you, and substantiating it, is now h**eful. Explain to me, please, how I have insulted, offended, and disparaged half the citizens. I am quite aware that sometimes I get sarcastic, or give in to ridiculing silly posts, but I address the POSTS. Only rarely the person doing the posting, and then in response to THEIR insults. I have seen you do the same. And by the way, the comments I occasionally make are extremely mild compared to most others on OPP. Especially from some on the left.

You said:
The left may not like the president for his words and actions but we don't go on this tirade spewing diarrhea from the mouth over other Americans.
My Response:
Oh, really? Should I present some posts from airforceone, kemmer, kevyn, tintop, rhumitoid, or any of a number of others? Now, please identify when and where I "spewed diarrhea for the mouth over other Americans". No, No. I insist. I give my wholehearted permission to copy as many of such posts on this thread as you want, so we can all look at them together.

And finally, you ended with:
After this I'm done with you, I never insulted you at all, your the insulter again, and posts are not worth replying to, stew in your ignorance.[/quote]
My Response: I am fairly sure you HAVE insulted me on other posts, but since insults tend to roll off my shoulders and drop into the trash can, I will accept your word for it. I am a big believer in forgive and forget.
Again, if I am the "insulter", please provide examples. Because I hereby deny it. I h**e no one. Sure, there are people who I am not particularly fond of, but I get along with everybody. Not an enemy in the world. Also, if I am ignorant, then I must insist that I am a very well educated one.

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Oct 20, 2020 22:43:02   #
teabag09
 
woodguru wrote:
Biden won't "do" anything, the president doesn't "do" anything. The responsibility for wh**ever is done lies with the house and senate, and quite frankly it really isn't the president's job to interfere with the people's business as pertains to making laws.

He keeps being asked will he pack the supreme court? The answer is it has nothing to do with him except signing the legislative bills when they are passed. There would be no reason for him to veto such an action if that's what elected officials decide to do.
Biden won't "do" anything, the president... (show quote)


I truly can't believe you, the President nominates and the Senate confirms or doesn't. Get your poop straight before you let your fingers do the walking on the keyboard. Mike

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Oct 21, 2020 06:02:18   #
PeterS
 
Ronald Hatt wrote:
Great post! How about Trump, promising to pack the supreme court, { for real}....when this e******n is "over", & the dust settles, & he "is still in office"?....:O}}} { I think trump, has too much patriotism, integrity, & honor to do such a thing! } *Demoncrats...& we once knew them no longer exist! { they never "were"...for Rampant a******n, open borders, I*****l A***ns v****g, & usurping American tax dollars, sanctuary cities, anti police, promoting ugly r****m....{ Obama, & others}...{ TODAY....This "IS" their party platform, evil, & totally unacceptable to our American Constitution!}

Harris/Biden ticket, promises to use "many, many", Muslims in their administration! Look at the Koran, & tell me that is a good Idea! The Koran, promotes heinous activities, from hundreds of years ago, that are 180 degrees obtuse form American Political & humane ideals.....&, "Illegal", in this country!...{ think about that}
Great post! How about Trump, promising to pack th... (show quote)

If he wins and Republicans hold on to the Senate he can do wh**ever he wants much like he's doing now...

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Oct 21, 2020 08:22:03   #
Cuda2020
 
WEBCO wrote:
Yes, the media does take snippets out of context like "there were fine people on both sides".

I watched Hillary say "what difference does it make" she actually meant "why does it matter, now, why these people died? They are dead"

More likely China, they have much more influence, in America, than Russia ever did. China also has stated that their goal is to be dominant force in the world by 2030.


Yes, exactly, I wish these tactics to manipulate could some how be made illegal under slander.

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Oct 21, 2020 08:43:41   #
Cuda2020
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Sorry, the whole thing did not come across. My bad. Here is the entire text:

Okay. You are done with me. But I'm going to address your post anyway, because others see this. And falsehoods should be addressed.
You said:
First, I never said it was a "Liberal" never mentioned Liberal at all, I said progressive, there's a difference between the two. Many, as yourself, use the terms interchangeably, they are not synonyms. While the Liberals believe in balancing liberty with social justice. They tend to support gay marriage, legalizing marijuana, protecting the environment and improving e******y. They allow certain liberties to be sacrificed (like not allowing landlords to refuse someone based on their race). Alternatively, Liberal can also be used (usually negatively) to describe someone who believes that the government can and should use tax dollars to play an active role in improving communities and promoting the general welfare of the country.
Progressive do generally agree with this philosophy but they also additionally share a general belief in the interconnections of individuals and why they're of the opinion the government should collect taxes and also spend it to improve communities.
Progressives recognize problems and try to define and address the systemic rules, laws and traditions that enable and empower the problems in the first place. Additionally, Progressives share a general belief in the interconnections of individuals and the philosophy that “when you hurt, I hurt."
Liberal... technically refers to having trust in the free market to yield the best results, in most or all industries. But that’s not how it’s used in a modern context. Actually, they are quite far from the thought of a socialistic government, that's a pure lie, that is fabricated to make people afraid of t***sitioning to the left from the right. Unfortunately, it's a harmful lie as it pins American's against American's, as we've all witnessed with posts here from the right, disparaging all who are not on the Trump far leaning right.
My Response: You are correct. You did not say "liberal". You are also correct in that I, and others, tend to use the terms interchangeably. As I see it, the differences in the two are minor, and the similarities major.
But I will accept your definitions, in general. Liberals and progressives also exhibit a lot of additional unsavory traits that you failed to mention. i won't enumerate them here. We all know them.

You said:
So you see progressivism has not changed, they're intentions are still at its core and that is btw to make a better America.
My Response:
In my opinion you are not just wrong, but abysmally wrong. You are drawing a conclusion, based on your definitions, that leave out the tactics employed by the left, with the hearty approval of the progressives...assuming there is actually a difference in the two. The left wants an America with them in total control, and them instructing every citizen in the "correct" way to live and what actions are acceptable.
They want their definition of "social justice" to be the law of the land. I do not.

You said:
What do you mean in the way I am stating it? I knew you would disagree with the phrase of a living document, it is and that's a fact, look up what a living document is. What makes it a living document ARE the AMENMENTS!
My Response:
Then by all means USE the amendments! To that extent, if you choose to use the adjective "living", I have no problem with that. What I, and conservatives like me, strongly oppose is treating the Constitution like it is subject to interpretation based on the desires of society, or current culture mores, or the opinions of politicians. If it needs changing, fine. Propose, pass, and implement an amendment. But the left can't get what they want through the amendment process, so they violate and/or reinterpret the Constitution to get what they want. Primarily by using activist judges. I want NONactivist judges who follow the Constitution.

You said:
You sit there and have the gall to talk about me in other posts and how insulting I am as you once again insult, offend, and disparage half the citizens in this country with your h**eful rhetoric.
My Response:
What h**eful rhetoric? Apparently disagreeing with you, and substantiating it, is now h**eful. Explain to me, please, how I have insulted, offended, and disparaged half the citizens. I am quite aware that sometimes I get sarcastic, or give in to ridiculing silly posts, but I address the POSTS. Only rarely the person doing the posting, and then in response to THEIR insults. I have seen you do the same. And by the way, the comments I occasionally make are extremely mild compared to most others on OPP. Especially from some on the left.

You said:
The left may not like the president for his words and actions but we don't go on this tirade spewing diarrhea from the mouth over other Americans.
My Response:
Oh, really? Should I present some posts from airforceone, kemmer, kevyn, tintop, rhumitoid, or any of a number of others? Now, please identify when and where I "spewed diarrhea for the mouth over other Americans". No, No. I insist. I give my wholehearted permission to copy as many of such posts on this thread as you want, so we can all look at them together.

And finally, you ended with:
After this I'm done with you, I never insulted you at all, your the insulter again, and posts are not worth replying to, stew in your ignorance.
Sorry, the whole thing did not come across. My ba... (show quote)

My Response: I am fairly sure you HAVE insulted me on other posts, but since insults tend to roll off my shoulders and drop into the trash can, I will accept your word for it. I am a big believer in forgive and forget.
Again, if I am the "insulter", please provide examples. Because I hereby deny it. I h**e no one. Sure, there are people who I am not particularly fond of, but I get along with everybody. Not an enemy in the world. Also, if I am ignorant, then I must insist that I am a very well educated one.[/quote]

Since you insist your quote:" They(meaning Liberal and democrats- left) no longer mean innovative and beneficial to the citizens like they did in the late 1800s. They now stand for manipulation, and lies, and deceit. They stand for 'win at any cost'. They stand for intolerance and hatred. We can thank the left for that." ...
Diarrhea of the mouth

What we "were" talking about on here has nothing to do with what is happening outside, keep it in context, but this is what you all do, diverge. And they have their right to respond to an response or attack anyway as they see fit. You guys want to throw it out there you just don't want it flung backatcha, yeah we got that, hypocrites.
I'm not taking this any further with you. Go away and get a life. I will try and make it a point to not speak with any bat s**t crazy women on the right, your all the same.

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Oct 21, 2020 12:31:26   #
Capt-jack Loc: Home
 
WEBCO wrote:
Its been done 19 previous times, were all of those "power grabs?"

So this e******n goes to the Supreme Court, which seems likely, what would happen if the Supreme Court was split 4 to 4? Do we hold another e******n? When do we hold it? After Nancy Pelosi takes office? Do we then throw out any laws that she signed?

Life is complicated, the American people deserve clarity. Is our country going to continue as our founders intended, or is our country going to be "foundationally changed?" That's a pretty big question isn't it?
Its been done 19 previous times, were all of those... (show quote)


Yes, like is now very complicated due to allowing our schools to dumb down our kids to the point they are not sure what sex they are! Have we ever thought about that fact?

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Oct 21, 2020 19:54:33   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Since you insist your quote:" They(meaning Liberal and democrats- left) no longer mean innovative and beneficial to the citizens like they did in the late 1800s. They now stand for manipulation, and lies, and deceit. They stand for 'win at any cost'. They stand for intolerance and hatred. We can thank the left for that." ...
Diarrhea of the mouth

What we "were" talking about on here has nothing to do with what is happening outside, keep it in context, but this is what you all do, diverge. And they have their right to respond to an response or attack anyway as they see fit. You guys want to throw it out there you just don't want it flung backatcha, yeah we got that, hypocrites.
I'm not taking this any further with you. Go away and get a life. I will try and make it a point to not speak with any bat s**t crazy women on the right, your all the same.
Since you insist your quote:" They(meaning Li... (show quote)


Well, folks. You've seen what I posted, and you've seen what Barracuda posted. Since s/he has announced s/he will no longer respond, I leave it up to you.
Do you consider what I said to be "diarrhea of the mouth"? Or did I do what I intended to do, which is criticize the tactics of the left (by defining what the words liberal and progressive now stand for).
Since Barracuda also claims s/he has not insulted me, tell me what you think of his/her remarks. If I have been out of line, I will accept the judgment of the posters of OPP, and modify my future remarks. If you think not, then I will not spend any more time considering Barracuda's opinions. Please be honest with me.

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Oct 22, 2020 07:01:16   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Well, folks. You've seen what I posted, and you've seen what Barracuda posted. Since s/he has announced s/he will no longer respond, I leave it up to you.
Do you consider what I said to be "diarrhea of the mouth"? Or did I do what I intended to do, which is criticize the tactics of the left (by defining what the words liberal and progressive now stand for).
Since Barracuda also claims s/he has not insulted me, tell me what you think of his/her remarks. If I have been out of line, I will accept the judgment of the posters of OPP, and modify my future remarks. If you think not, then I will not spend any more time considering Barracuda's opinions. Please be honest with me.
Well, folks. You've seen what I posted, and you'v... (show quote)


Your comments were fine. Maybe a little too much t***h for some people to take.

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Oct 22, 2020 10:08:38   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Kickaha wrote:
Your comments were fine. Maybe a little too much t***h for some people to take.


Thanks for the response, kickaha. I've said it before, and probably will again, to most progressives/liberals/woke folks simply disagreeing with them is deemed 'h**e speech'.

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Oct 22, 2020 10:12:39   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Well, folks. You've seen what I posted, and you've seen what Barracuda posted. Since s/he has announced s/he will no longer respond, I leave it up to you.
Do you consider what I said to be "diarrhea of the mouth"? Or did I do what I intended to do, which is criticize the tactics of the left (by defining what the words liberal and progressive now stand for).
Since Barracuda also claims s/he has not insulted me, tell me what you think of his/her remarks. If I have been out of line, I will accept the judgment of the posters of OPP, and modify my future remarks. If you think not, then I will not spend any more time considering Barracuda's opinions. Please be honest with me.
Well, folks. You've seen what I posted, and you'v... (show quote)


Your comments were the usual h**e and lies spewing as diarrhea every day from the trump cult.. nothing new at all. i have no expectation that you will ever change for the better.



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Oct 22, 2020 10:15:49   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Your comments were the usual h**e and lies spewing as diarrhea every day from the trump cult.. nothing new at all. i have no expectation that you will ever change for the better.


Heard, Understood, Acknowledged, Permafrost. I appreciate you expressing your opinion.

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Oct 22, 2020 15:37:23   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Kickaha wrote:
Your comments were fine. Maybe a little too much t***h for some people to take.



Sorry posted to wrong person....

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Oct 22, 2020 15:41:31   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Well, folks. You've seen what I posted, and you've seen what Barracuda posted. Since s/he has announced s/he will no longer respond, I leave it up to you.
Do you consider what I said to be "diarrhea of the mouth"? Or did I do what I intended to do, which is criticize the tactics of the left (by defining what the words liberal and progressive now stand for).
Since Barracuda also claims s/he has not insulted me, tell me what you think of his/her remarks. If I have been out of line, I will accept the judgment of the posters of OPP, and modify my future remarks. If you think not, then I will not spend any more time considering Barracuda's opinions. Please be honest with me.
Well, folks. You've seen what I posted, and you'v... (show quote)


Never compromise your values. There simply isn’t anyone worth doing that and ultimately all it does is make you all the more frustrated. You had valid points and were not rude that I saw in the few I read..

Freedom of speech is just that, entitled to it, say what you’re going to say and don’t worry about what other people think!!! Just because people don’t agree doesn’t mean they are wrong about their position although with some they are i***t aszzholes...🙃😉😊

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Oct 22, 2020 15:57:23   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
Never compromise your values. There simply isn’t anyone worth doing that and ultimately all it does is make you all the more frustrated. You had valid points and were not rude that I saw in the few I read..

Freedom of speech is just that, entitled to it, say what you’re going to say and don’t worry about what other people think!!! Just because people don’t agree doesn’t mean they are wrong about their position although with some they are i***t aszzholes...🙃😉😊


Thanks, Linda. No I will not compromise my values. But being human, I occasionally make mistakes, and if I am indeed being "hatful and insulting" I can modify how I am writing without endangering my principles. Personally, I do not see it. As I said, I sometimes get sarcastic, or snarky, but it is aimed at a remark or post, not at any individual. But I may not be seeing my own words objectively, so that is why I am soliciting other's opinions. Some of them, of course, I will discount. For example, if I said something like, "I think Trump is doing a good job", there are several on OPP who would no doubt claim I am being r****t and promoting hatred and violence. But folks like you, and quite a few others, I do crave your honest opinions. If I have gotten out of line, please tell me.

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Oct 22, 2020 19:30:04   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Thanks, Linda. No I will not compromise my values. But being human, I occasionally make mistakes, and if I am indeed being "hatful and insulting" I can modify how I am writing without endangering my principles. Personally, I do not see it. As I said, I sometimes get sarcastic, or snarky, but it is aimed at a remark or post, not at any individual. But I may not be seeing my own words objectively, so that is why I am soliciting other's opinions. Some of them, of course, I will discount. For example, if I said something like, "I think Trump is doing a good job", there are several on OPP who would no doubt claim I am being r****t and promoting hatred and violence. But folks like you, and quite a few others, I do crave your honest opinions. If I have gotten out of line, please tell me.
Thanks, Linda. No I will not compromise my values... (show quote)



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