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Oct 19, 2020 23:00:47   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
lindajoy wrote:
Just to be sure, you mean the actual debate or the supposed Town Hall?? Not that there was any impartiality of either moderator but which are you referring to?


I'm warning you! Go too far down this road with him and you'll lose IQ points.

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Oct 20, 2020 06:26:51   #
Big Kahuna
 
WEBCO wrote:
So ethics matter to Biden supports? How about Hillary supporters? Hell, how about Ilhan Omar supporters?

Please don't even try to grab some kind of moral high ground.


Perm always grabs the immoral low ground.

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Oct 20, 2020 07:15:50   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
BigMike wrote:
I'm warning you! Go too far down this road with him and you'll lose IQ points.


Lololol, I’m not worried~~~Thank You for the warning tho...

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Oct 20, 2020 07:43:52   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Not really seeing that, seems her opinions have already been recorded before the review. But we shall see, I'm sure she'll get in there before the e******n. The right has been stacking the deck with republican leaning judges, why do you think that is, because they're all neutral and bipartisan?


When the left is in charge, they stack the deck with left leaning judges. The rules are the same for both sides. Only when we have one party holding the Presidency and the other holding the Senate, do we move from the right or left more towards the center. When the same party holds both the Presidency and the Senate, do we see judges more left (or right) nominated and confirmed.

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Oct 20, 2020 07:57:55   #
Cuda2020
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Not the senators, but yes, I think the judges will do their work based on the Constitution and the law, and not their personal beliefs. I know they can because I have seen it, and because, as the head of various committees through the decades, and as a business manager, I have had to make objective decisions that went against my personal beliefs and desires. It is part of the job for an ethical person in authority, but most especially for a judge.
Not being judgmental, but perhaps your core concern with it is because the Constitution is basically a conservative document, and adhering to it does not serve liberal goals.
Not the senators, but yes, I think the judges will... (show quote)


Really like Scalia, what do you have anything to do with this? Who says all are ethical, Barr, an unethical disgrace, so was Scalia.

No the constitution is not conservative it was written at the time as a progressive piece of legislature with its ground breaking new ideals. It is a living document and still is, as in it's words we continue to fight for the rights of everyone, not just some. That's where my core concern is.

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Oct 20, 2020 10:32:04   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Really like Scalia, what do you have anything to do with this? Who says all are ethical, Barr, an unethical disgrace, so was Scalia.

No the constitution is not conservative it was written at the time as a progressive piece of legislature with its ground breaking new ideals. It is a living document and still is, as in it's words we continue to fight for the rights of everyone, not just some. That's where my core concern is.


Your opinions of Scalia and Barr are just that. Opinions with no substance. My opinion, just as valid as yours, is that both are ethical men.
And yes, the Constitution is a conservative document. You are right when you say it was "liberal" at the time, because it was indeed a progressive ground-breaking document. But the terms 'liberal' and 'progressive' no longer mean new and ground-breaking. They no longer mean innovative and beneficial to the citizens like they did in the late 1800s. They now stand for manipulation, and lies, and deceit. They stand for 'win at any cost'. They stand for intolerance and hatred. We can thank the left for that.
The Constitution was NEVER intended to be a living document in the way you are stating it. It was intended to be rock solid and unbendable EXCEPT through established procedures, such as amendments. Establish procedures the left has been ignoring and working around because they can not succeed any other way. The President has not been ignoring or damaging the Constitution. The left and their democrat cronies have been doing that for 60 years.
Rights for everyone? Nonsense. You fight to replace one set of leaders with your own, who have demonstrated for those 60 years that they will NOT, given control, respect the individual's safe guards found in the Constitution. You are trying to put the wolves in charge of the flock because you don't like how the shepards are doing their jobs.

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Oct 20, 2020 12:10:14   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Your opinions of Scalia and Barr are just that. Opinions with no substance. My opinion, just as valid as yours, is that both are ethical men.
And yes, the Constitution is a conservative document. You are right when you say it was "liberal" at the time, because it was indeed a progressive ground-breaking document. But the terms 'liberal' and 'progressive' no longer mean new and ground-breaking. They no longer mean innovative and beneficial to the citizens like they did in the late 1800s. They now stand for manipulation, and lies, and deceit. They stand for 'win at any cost'. They stand for intolerance and hatred. We can thank the left for that.
The Constitution was NEVER intended to be a living document in the way you are stating it. It was intended to be rock solid and unbendable EXCEPT through established procedures, such as amendments. Establish procedures the left has been ignoring and working around because they can not succeed any other way. The President has not been ignoring or damaging the Constitution. The left and their democrat cronies have been doing that for 60 years.
Rights for everyone? Nonsense. You fight to replace one set of leaders with your own, who have demonstrated for those 60 years that they will NOT, given control, respect the individual's safe guards found in the Constitution. You are trying to put the wolves in charge of the flock because you don't like how the shepards are doing their jobs.
Your opinions of Scalia and Barr are just that. O... (show quote)


The left's biggest problem with the Constitution is that it is a negative document. By that, I mean it tells the federal government what it can't do. It is stated that the powers of the federal government are few and well enumerated. That means the federal government does not have unlimited powers and what powers it has are limited to what is spelled out in the Constitution (and its amendments). If the power is not expressly given to the federal government nor expressly prohibited to the states and/or the people, it is reserved to the states and the people. L*****ts don't like this because they can't do wh**ever they want, this is why we need orginalists on the Supreme Court. It would also be nice to get people in Congress that actually have read and understand the Constitution.
Btw, you do know congress has another meaning of a sexual nature and they sure seem determined to do it to us.

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Oct 20, 2020 14:04:05   #
Cuda2020
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Your opinions of Scalia and Barr are just that. Opinions with no substance. My opinion, just as valid as yours, is that both are ethical men.
And yes, the Constitution is a conservative document. You are right when you say it was "liberal" at the time, because it was indeed a progressive ground-breaking document. But the terms 'liberal' and 'progressive' no longer mean new and ground-breaking. They no longer mean innovative and beneficial to the citizens like they did in the late 1800s. They now stand for manipulation, and lies, and deceit. They stand for 'win at any cost'. They stand for intolerance and hatred. We can thank the left for that.
The Constitution was NEVER intended to be a living document in the way you are stating it. It was intended to be rock solid and unbendable EXCEPT through established procedures, such as amendments. Establish procedures the left has been ignoring and working around because they can not succeed any other way. The President has not been ignoring or damaging the Constitution. The left and their democrat cronies have been doing that for 60 years.
Rights for everyone? Nonsense. You fight to replace one set of leaders with your own, who have demonstrated for those 60 years that they will NOT, given control, respect the individual's safe guards found in the Constitution. You are trying to put the wolves in charge of the flock because you don't like how the shepards are doing their jobs.
Your opinions of Scalia and Barr are just that. O... (show quote)


First, I never said it was a "Liberal" never mentioned Liberal at all, I said progressive, there's a difference between the two. Many, as yourself, use the terms interchangeably, they are not synonyms. While the Liberals believe in balancing liberty with social justice. They tend to support gay marriage, legalizing marijuana, protecting the environment and improving e******y. They allow certain liberties to be sacrificed (like not allowing landlords to refuse someone based on their race). Alternatively, Liberal can also be used (usually negatively) to describe someone who believes that the government can and should use tax dollars to play an active role in improving communities and promoting the general welfare of the country.

Progressive do generally agree with this philosophy but they also additionally share a general belief in the interconnections of individuals and why they're of the opinion the government should collect taxes and also spend it to improve communities.

Progressives recognize problems and try to define and address the systemic rules, laws and traditions that enable and empower the problems in the first place. Additionally, Progressives share a general belief in the interconnections of individuals and the philosophy that “when you hurt, I hurt."


Liberal... technically refers to having trust in the free market to yield the best results, in most or all industries. But that’s not how it’s used in a modern context. Actually, they are quite far from the thought of a socialistic government, that's a pure lie, that is fabricated to make people afraid of t***sitioning to the left from the right. Unfortunately, it's a harmful lie as it pins American's against American's, as we've all witnessed with posts here from the right, disparaging all who are not on the Trump far leaning right.

So you see progressivism has not changed, they're intentions are still at its core and that is btw to make a better America.

What do you mean in the way I am stating it? I knew you would disagree with the phrase of a living document, it is and that's a fact, look up what a living document is. What makes it a living document ARE the AMENMENTS!

You sit there and have the gall to talk about me in other posts and how insulting I am as you once again insult, offend, and disparage half the citizens in this country with your h**eful rhetoric. The left may not like the president for his words and actions but we don't go on this tirade spewing diarrhea from the mouth over other Americans.

After this I'm done with you, I never insulted you at all, your the insulter again, and posts are not worth replying to, stew in your ignorance.

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Oct 20, 2020 14:14:42   #
Cuda2020
 
Kickaha wrote:
The left's biggest problem with the Constitution is that it is a negative document. By that, I mean it tells the federal government what it can't do. It is stated that the powers of the federal government are few and well enumerated. That means the federal government does not have unlimited powers and what powers it has are limited to what is spelled out in the Constitution (and its amendments). If the power is not expressly given to the federal government nor expressly prohibited to the states and/or the people, it is reserved to the states and the people. L*****ts don't like this because they can't do wh**ever they want, this is why we need orginalists on the Supreme Court. It would also be nice to get people in Congress that actually have read and understand the Constitution.
Btw, you do know congress has another meaning of a sexual nature and they sure seem determined to do it to us.
The left's biggest problem with the Constitution i... (show quote)


It's really great to read such incomprehension of a party and then take such a superior righteous stance... typical. Please expound on "Do wh**ever they want". We see who's doing wh**ever they want.

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Oct 20, 2020 14:18:57   #
Cuda2020
 
WEBCO wrote:
I thought Hillary told Biden to "never concede" before Trump was even asked. I may be wrong. The media and big tech are already interfering in a "fair" e******n, aren't they?


They took a snip-it from a sentence, which made a different implication then what was intended, they did it to her before with..."What difference does it make".

Yes they are, it'd be nice to see the t***sparency of who's behind it. I hear its Russia.

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Oct 20, 2020 14:20:44   #
Cuda2020
 
Kickaha wrote:
The left's biggest problem with the Constitution is that it is a negative document. By that, I mean it tells the federal government what it can't do. It is stated that the powers of the federal government are few and well enumerated. That means the federal government does not have unlimited powers and what powers it has are limited to what is spelled out in the Constitution (and its amendments). If the power is not expressly given to the federal government nor expressly prohibited to the states and/or the people, it is reserved to the states and the people. L*****ts don't like this because they can't do wh**ever they want, this is why we need orginalists on the Supreme Court. It would also be nice to get people in Congress that actually have read and understand the Constitution.
Btw, you do know congress has another meaning of a sexual nature and they sure seem determined to do it to us.
The left's biggest problem with the Constitution i... (show quote)


I know it, why don't you explain it to her.

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Oct 20, 2020 14:30:16   #
Cuda2020
 
WEBCO wrote:
Aren't they all replacing left leaning judges? I would rather have a constitutionalist judge than an advocate judge. Follow the laws, don't write/change them.


More than either they should be neutral and bipartisan, this is what is disintegrating. One can know the law, but then try and bend it to their will, or should I say their agenda. Lines and t***h have become blurred, from where we go from here, I am clueless, it has been corrupted to the top. A tree rotten on the inside can only stand for so long.

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Oct 20, 2020 14:41:05   #
WEBCO
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
They took a snip-it from a sentence, which made a different implication then what was intended, they did it to her before with..."What difference does it make".

Yes they are, it'd be nice to see the t***sparency of who's behind it. I hear its Russia.


Yes, the media does take snippets out of context like "there were fine people on both sides".

I watched Hillary say "what difference does it make" she actually meant "why does it matter, now, why these people died? They are dead"

More likely China, they have much more influence, in America, than Russia ever did. China also has stated that their goal is to be dominant force in the world by 2030.

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Oct 20, 2020 14:59:36   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Kickaha wrote:
The left's biggest problem with the Constitution is that it is a negative document. By that, I mean it tells the federal government what it can't do. It is stated that the powers of the federal government are few and well enumerated. That means the federal government does not have unlimited powers and what powers it has are limited to what is spelled out in the Constitution (and its amendments). If the power is not expressly given to the federal government nor expressly prohibited to the states and/or the people, it is reserved to the states and the people. L*****ts don't like this because they can't do wh**ever they want, this is why we need orginalists on the Supreme Court. It would also be nice to get people in Congress that actually have read and understand the Constitution.
Btw, you do know congress has another meaning of a sexual nature and they sure seem determined to do it to us.
The left's biggest problem with the Constitution i... (show quote)


Correct on all counts

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Oct 20, 2020 15:53:24   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
To Barracuda.
Okay. You are done with me. But I'm going to address your post anyway, because others see this. And falsehoods should be addressed.
You said:
Barracuda2020 wrote:
First, I never said it was a "Liberal" never mentioned Liberal at all, I said progressive, there's a difference between the two. Many, as yourself, use the terms interchangeably, they are not synonyms. While the Liberals believe in balancing liberty with social justice. They tend to support gay marriage, legalizing marijuana, protecting the environment and improving e******y. They allow certain liberties to be sacrificed (like not allowing landlords to refuse someone based on their race). Alternatively, Liberal can also be used (usually negatively) to describe someone who believes that the government can and should use tax dollars to play an active role in improving communities and promoting the general welfare of the country.
Progressive do generally agree with this philosophy but they also additionally share a general belief in the interconnections of individuals and why they're of the opinion the government should collect taxes and also spend it to improve communities.
Progressives recognize problems and try to define and address the systemic rules, laws and traditions that enable and empower the problems in the first place. Additionally, Progressives share a general belief in the interconnections of individuals and the philosophy that “when you hurt, I hurt."
Liberal... technically refers to having trust in the free market to yield the best results, in most or all industries. But that’s not how it’s used in a modern context. Actually, they are quite far from the thought of a socialistic government, that's a pure lie, that is fabricated to make people afraid of t***sitioning to the left from the right. Unfortunately, it's a harmful lie as it pins American's against American's, as we've all witnessed with posts here from the right, disparaging all who are not on the Trump far leaning right.
My Response: You are correct. You did not say "liberal". You are also correct in that I, and others, tend to use the terms interchangeably. As I see it, the differences in the two are minor, and the similarities major.
But I will accept your definitions, in general. Liberals and progressives also exhibit a lot of additional unsavory traits that you failed to mention. i won't enumerate them here. We all know them.

You said:
So you see progressivism has not changed, they're intentions are still at its core and that is btw to make a better America.
My Response:
In my opinion you are not just wrong, but abysmally wrong. You are drawing a conclusion, based on your definitions, that leave out the tactics employed by the left, with the hearty approval of the progressives...assuming there is actually a difference in the two. The left wants an America with them in total control, and them instructing every citizen in the "correct" way to live and what actions are acceptable.
They want their definition of "social justice" to be the law of the land. I do not.

You said:
What do you mean in the way I am stating it? I knew you would disagree with the phrase of a living document, it is and that's a fact, look up what a living document is. What makes it a living document ARE the AMENMENTS!
My Response:
Then by all means USE the amendments! To that extent, if you choose to use the adjective "living", I have no problem with that. What I, and conservatives like me, strongly oppose is treating the Constitution like it is subject to interpretation based on the desires of society, or current culture mores, or the opinions of politicians. If it needs changing, fine. Propose, pass, and implement an amendment. But the left can't get what they want through the amendment process, so they violate and/or reinterpret the Constitution to get what they want. Primarily by using activist judges. I want NONactivist judges who follow the Constitution.

You said:
You sit there and have the gall to talk about me in other posts and how insulting I am as you once again insult, offend, and disparage half the citizens in this country with your h**eful rhetoric.
My Response:
What h**eful rhetoric? Apparently disagreeing with you, and substantiating it, is now h**eful. Explain to me, please, how I have insulted, offended, and disparaged half the citizens. I am quite aware that sometimes I get sarcastic, or give in to ridiculing silly posts, but I address the POSTS. Only rarely the person doing the posting, and then in response to THEIR insults. I have seen you do the same. And by the way, the comments I occasionally make are extremely mild compared to most others on OPP. Especially from some on the left.

You said:
The left may not like the president for his words and actions but we don't go on this tirade spewing diarrhea from the mouth over other Americans.
My Response:
Oh, really? Should I present some posts from airforceone, kemmer, kevyn, tintop, rhumitoid, or any of a number of others? Now, please identify when and where I "spewed diarrhea for the mouth over other Americans". No, No. I insist. I give my wholehearted permission to copy as many of such posts on this thread as you want, so we can all look at them together.

And finally, you ended with:
After this I'm done with you, I never insulted you at all, your the insulter again, and posts are not worth replying to, stew in your ignorance.
First, I never said it was a "Liberal" n... (show quote)

My Response: I am fairly sure you HAVE insulted me on other posts, but since insults tend to roll off my shoulders and drop into the trash can, I will accept your word for it. I am a big believer in forgive and forget.
Again, if I am the "insulter", please provide examples. Because I hereby deny it. I h**e no one. Sure, there are people who I am not particularly fond of, but I get along with everybody. Not an enemy in the world. Also, if I am ignorant, then I must insist that I am a very well educated one.

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