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Sep 17, 2020 10:04:10   #
EmilyD
 
FallenOak wrote:
Priorities, Priorities, Priorities. That is the answer that many people fail to adhere to. If a new car every other year and a new truck, same, and a motorhome to be used for one month long trips is more important than health insurance why should I or anyone else be made to cover the health care of any one wasting their income like that? I certainly would like new cars, multiple adult gadgets, and long trips but I know that first I must take care of myself and my family. Again I say to you: Priorities, Priorities, Priorities.
Priorities, Priorities, Priorities. That is the a... (show quote)


On $40,000 a year? Those folks don't have new cars or trucks, vacation motor homes, etc. They're already struggling to make ends meet...and then have to pay $13,000 in health care before they even get treated?? You really think someone can live without struggling on $27,000 a year?

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Sep 17, 2020 10:38:53   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
FallenOak wrote:
Priorities, Priorities, Priorities. That is the answer that many people fail to adhere to. If a new car every other year and a new truck, same, and a motorhome to be used for one month long trips is more important than health insurance why should I or anyone else be made to cover the health care of any one wasting their income like that? I certainly would like new cars, multiple adult gadgets, and long trips but I know that first I must take care of myself and my family. Again I say to you: Priorities, Priorities, Priorities.
Priorities, Priorities, Priorities. That is the a... (show quote)


Here’s the problem. It isn’t up to you to decide how other people spend their money.
It doesn’t change what you will pay, no matter what.
It’s becomes obvious when the people without money, start trying to count other peoples money with hopes it will somehow ease their monetary situation.
If what you’re saying was correct then, people shouldn’t be concerned with having a life until all the bills are paid.
Here in America the average credit card debt is $29,000.
This is where government could be a major help. Elders are skipping meds so they can eat. Or skipping rent to pay for meds.
Or skipping food to pay rent.
It’s a disgrace and your fallacy reasoning only amplified it.
$3Trillion/ year goes away from you and straight up the tube to the rich who don’t need it and won’t spend it.
Why can’t you complain about that?

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Sep 17, 2020 10:47:54   #
Seth
 
PeterS wrote:
So how have the dastardly Democrats twisted Trumps healthcare program into a pretzel? Wouldn't Trump have to have a healthcare program in order for E-VILE Democrats to be able to 'pretzelize' it? And American jobs came back??? So why does your MAGA hat still have a "MADE IN CHINA" label in it and why was job creation under the first three years of Trump lower than the last three years of Obama? If he was bringing jobs back shouldn't he have created more jobs, not fewer than his despised predecessor? You've been sold a bill-of-goods by a reality TV star and are too busy blaming others to realize it.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/06/economy/trump-obama-jobs-comparison/index.html
So how have the dastardly Democrats twisted Trumps... (show quote)


As usual, you "conveniently" do what you lefties always do -- ignore what you either know is true and cherry pick a word or phrase and intentionally change the intent of what someone has said.

It's really very simple: Trump will release information about his intent when he is ready to act on it, rather than well in advance so the l*****t Democrat propaganda mongers can't rip it apart with innuendo and lies before it gets off the ground, just because it is Trump's plan. Trump sees no need to play Charlie Brown to the Democrats' Lucy & the Football.

The Democrats and the mainstream media have become so predictable that it's gotten pretty pathetic to see your ilk expect Trump to do anything different than what he is doing.

Yet you weeping, spoiled little crybabies can't stand it when someone refuses to hold still and position themselves every time you want to punch them in the face.

Like I said, he'll tell the media and their Democrat butt buddies what they need to know when he's good and ready.


I guess they'll just have to wait.

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Sep 17, 2020 10:57:37   #
Seth
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Because there isn't a good plan from trump, it's only good for nothing. Trump has nothing but h**e & spite. His disdain for Americans is unparalleled.


Oh? How so?

I understand that a certain bail fund heavily endorsed by Kamala Harris is now extending its largesse to bailing out not only destructive r****rs, but also rapists and child molesters, and a "man" who battered a 71 year old woman during a home invasion.

And no apology or even a peep from Harris about it.

Does that indicate any sort of disdain for the American people, do you think?

Oh, wait, that's "different," because she's one of you, which means she can do anything she pleases without so much as a frown of disapproval from your ilk.

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Sep 17, 2020 11:05:15   #
Seth
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Remember, the GOP promised a plan superior to the ACA in 2010, 2012, 2014 and trumps "repeal and replace" in 2016, 2018 and now 2020. What do those years have in common? How many of those "soon to be unveiled" plans WERE unveiled? Yep, nary a one.

Anyone who still believes them needs to have their heads examined.


And wait, how many times has the Democratic Party controlled House refused to even consider working with Trump on anything he wants to do?

Barring successful c***ting or success at litigating the mail-in e******n results into next year, there will be no Democrat majority in the House after January and Trump will still be president. Without any sabotage by Pelosi and friends, he will then be able to continue doing positive things that benefit all Americans rather than just corrupt Democrat politicians, the special interests and the "progressive" elitists that back them.

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Sep 17, 2020 11:19:00   #
kemmer
 
Seth wrote:
Trump has already learned the hard way that if he announces plans too long before he intends to implement them or before the basic elements are in place, the Democrats and the mainstream media will twist his words and intentions around like a pretzel, misrepresenting, propagandizing and outright lying to disinform the public and make a good plan sound like a despicable r****t plot geared towards crushing the poor and bolstering the rich, yadda yadda...

Your ilk seems to think that everyone is stupid enough to let you do the same rotten things to them over and over, and when they don't, you complain and condemn them for it.

You ilk does that on every level -- look at the manufacturing business, for example, under Obama's presidency: your fearless leaders tax and regulate these companies into the ground, and when they've finally taken all the abuse they can and take their business out of the country, you yell that they're leaving because they're greedy, and blame the resulting unemployment on their "greed."

Yet when Trump dumps the over- regulation and decreases what was the highest corporate tax rate in the world to something more reasonable and they all come back along with American jobs, rather than admit that Trump did the right thing you attack him for it.

Your d********g ilk acts like a bunch of spoiled five year olds. Grow the hell up already.
Trump has already learned the hard way that if he ... (show quote)

I see the ICE doctor in Georgia has sterilized 17-18 immigrant women in ICE captivity without their knowledge or permission. Hmm... Why am I reminded of Dr Mengele of Auschwitz fame?

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Sep 17, 2020 11:20:44   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Seth wrote:
And wait, how many times has the Democratic Party controlled House refused to even consider working with Trump on anything he wants to do?

Barring successful c***ting or success at litigating the mail-in e******n results into next year, there will be no Democrat majority in the House after January and Trump will still be president. Without any sabotage by Pelosi and friends, he will then be able to continue doing positive things that benefit all Americans rather than just corrupt Democrat politicians, the special interests and the "progressive" elitists that back them.
And wait, how many times has the Democratic Party ... (show quote)


Why is McConnell sitting on 400plus bills that he refuses bring up for a v**e.
All passed by the House and waiting for McConnell who outright refuses.
He hasn’t brought a bill for a v**e in 2 (two) years!!!!!!

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Sep 17, 2020 11:22:18   #
Seth
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Here’s the problem. It isn’t up to you to decide how other people spend their money.
It doesn’t change what you will pay, no matter what.
It’s becomes obvious when the people without money, start trying to count other peoples money with hopes it will somehow ease their monetary situation.
If what you’re saying was correct then, people shouldn’t be concerned with having a life until all the bills are paid.
Here in America the average credit card debt is $29,000.
This is where government could be a major help. Elders are skipping meds so they can eat. Or skipping rent to pay for meds.
Or skipping food to pay rent.
It’s a disgrace and your fallacy reasoning only amplified it.
$3Trillion/ year goes away from you and straight up the tube to the rich who don’t need it and won’t spend it.
Why can’t you complain about that?
Here’s the problem. It isn’t up to you to decide h... (show quote)


So bringing up the cost of healthcare for every taxpayer by forcing them to finance s*x c****e operations, a******ns, fallacious "cures" like methadone clinics and so forth is totally acceptable to you?

I have a better idea -- why not simply tack on the expense to the tax bills of all registered Democrats, and leave the rest of us alone?

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Sep 17, 2020 11:30:24   #
Seth
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Why is McConnell sitting on 400plus bills that he refuses bring up for a v**e.
All passed by the House and waiting for McConnell who outright refuses.
He hasn’t brought a bill for a v**e in 2 (two) years!!!!!!


Maybe it has something to do with those bills being entirely one sided and, from the perspective of the Democratic Party, "our way or the highway." Or perhaps he's simply sending Pelosi, the real boss of her party, a message that two can play at the same game.

The only reason this country has most of the problems we have is that previous Republican leadership has allowed the Democrats to walk all over them under the misconception that "fair play" would be reciprocated. McConnell isn't playing along with the Democrats, so you spoiled children are having a tantrum.

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Sep 17, 2020 11:34:48   #
Seth
 
kemmer wrote:
I see the ICE doctor in Georgia has sterilized 17-18 immigrant women in ICE captivity without their knowledge or permission. Hmm... Why am I reminded of Dr Mengele of Auschwitz fame?


Is this a subject change? You haven't addressed a single item in my post.

However, I do see a proponent of the party that employs Goebbels disinformation strategies attempting to use Mengele in an argument. Not unlike one of the rats deserting a sinking ship.

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Sep 17, 2020 11:34:51   #
kemmer
 
Seth wrote:
And wait, how many times has the Democratic Party controlled House refused to even consider working with Trump on anything he wants to do?

Oh, not as much as the GOP Senate refused to have anything to do with Obama.

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Sep 17, 2020 11:37:21   #
F.D.R.
 
woodguru wrote:
The right should have rolled out ideas three years ago so that the american public can see what the great plan is. If it really is good it will be supported, if it is good it will withstand GAO and CBO scrutiny and reports on the true costs of the ideas. If it has good elements it can be modified out to where it works.

You do not end what gives 20 million people healthcare before having a viable working replacement ready to roll. Republicans roll out ill conceived trash like the tax cuts that they are jamming together in secrecy the night before rolling it out for a v**e, and it is obvious to anyone following this that the administration is ending Obamacare without provisions for pre existing conditions.

This just sounds like pure stupidity the way macaninny says the president has a good plan ready but nobody can see it, it would be proudly rolled out if it exists, which it obviously doesn't.

This will be his campaign promise, he has a great plan ready but you have to v**e him in to see it...well he ran that con the last time and we haven't seen squat. It's embarrassing to think that people are ignorant enough to fall for this twice.
The right should have rolled out ideas three years... (show quote)


Do you call what we have now 'healthcare'? It's more like a subsidy for i******s ! High premiums plus high out of pocket costs BEFORE the insurance will pay anything. For most people they're better off not having insurance since their medical costs are usually less than a monthly insurance premium would be.

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Sep 17, 2020 11:50:11   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
EmilyD wrote:
Obamacare is a great achievement for people who can't afford medical comforts??? I guess middle and low income people just don't matter to you? Because they are the ones who cannot afford to pay premiums in the neighborhood of $6,000 per person per year and deductibles around $7,000 per person per year. And if you have children, even more. That's at least $13,000 per year! That may not seem like much to you, but when you only have an income of $30,000 or $40,000, those costs are too much....certainly not "affordable" in any sense of the word.

Americans had Obamacare stuffed down their throats. It was so long, detailed and full of add-ons that Nancy Pelosi made her famous statement "We must pass it, so we can read it". It turned out to be extremely unpopular with the American populace during and after its evaluations in Congress. Young, healthy people, who were supposed to be the main contributors to the plan, were not buying it. They didn't like the mandate that you MUST buy into it or pay a yearly fine that increased every year you did not sign up for it. Nobody likes to be told you have to do something, or you will be penalized. And young people rebelled against it. The IRS was supposed to monitor the fines, which would have been a huge mess. Business Insider stated that the AHCA was "the least popular major bill in decades", and major medical organizations, including the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics, strongly condemned the bill.

After trying several times and being rejected by Congress, [specifically with the "Better Care Rehabilitation Act" (BCRA)], Trump enacted the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which at least got rid of the mandate. People who could not afford the "Affordable" Care Act, just went without health care, but at least they weren't penalized for it.
Obamacare is a great achievement for people who ca... (show quote)

Medical expenses are sharper than a surgeons knife, they cut ideology up and replace it with bipartisan liberalism, GOP and Democrats use liberal values and realise society can't be oblivious to universal access to medical requirements. Trump knows that but is sometimes forced to go along with the popular miscomprehension generated misplaced Roman property ownership precepts, having an operation isn't the same as buying a car, Thatcher couldn't do it, Malcom Fraser couldn't do it, Brazil can't do it in fact no country has so far been able to wind the clock back and use the profit motivation as the mechanism of medical profession, you just trying to hide a grand piano behind a shoe cabinet, can't be done.



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Sep 17, 2020 12:01:39   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
kemmer wrote:
Oh, not as much as the GOP Senate refused to have anything to do with Obama.

GOP'e = Lyin Ryin, Boner, Gramnesty, Bubble-Boy-Rubio, McStain et'al, Gave O'bomber everything he asked for

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Sep 17, 2020 12:15:50   #
FallenOak Loc: St George Utah
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Here’s the problem. It isn’t up to you to decide how other people spend their money.
It doesn’t change what you will pay, no matter what.
It’s becomes obvious when the people without money, start trying to count other peoples money with hopes it will somehow ease their monetary situation.
If what you’re saying was correct then, people shouldn’t be concerned with having a life until all the bills are paid.
Here in America the average credit card debt is $29,000.
This is where government could be a major help. Elders are skipping meds so they can eat. Or skipping rent to pay for meds.
Or skipping food to pay rent.
It’s a disgrace and your fallacy reasoning only amplified it.
$3Trillion/ year goes away from you and straight up the tube to the rich who don’t need it and won’t spend it.
Why can’t you complain about that?
Here’s the problem. It isn’t up to you to decide h... (show quote)


I am not telling the people in sentence #1 how to spend their money. I am saying they are irresponsible and I object to covering for them. Sentence #4 is what I am saying, pay your bills then spend what is left after you have also put some in savings. #5 credit card debt is not my responsibility. Credit Card debt is caused by irresponsible spending. Why is it my responsibility to cover that? If they don’t pay and bankrupt then all cost go up and I do have to pay. Sentence #6, I am 82 years old and I budget so I can cover my responsibility. Sentence #7 is an insult to anyone who was born before WWII and learned and was brought up to be reliable. I for one think the policies written by Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and LBJ are coming home to bite us. And before you say I h**e Dems I must tell you that I think Truman was the best President during the 1900’s. He was the only one with the guts to fire a disrespectful General and to end a World War with a new weapon. As for the 3 trillion I don’t know whether that is true or not but I am living within my means and have learned to be thankful for what I have and not be jealous of others with more.

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