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Sep 15, 2020 22:50:56   #
Uspatriot2 Loc: Kentucky
 
Simple Sam wrote:
Years of mismanaged forest came first and then the stupidity of arsonist. Fact is, one arsonist has already been caught red handed.

Understand that a state has to ask for help before federal relief can be given?





Yes, they arrested one man for starting two fires. But the judge let him out in two days and he went back out and started four more. Police arrested him and took him to hospital for mental evaluation.

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Sep 15, 2020 23:07:38   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Depends entirely on how MUCH more expensive it is.

LOL - fair enough.

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Sep 15, 2020 23:24:31   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Uspatriot2 wrote:
Yes, they arrested one man for starting two fires. But the judge let him out in two days and he went back out and started four more. Police arrested him and took him to hospital for mental evaluation.

Nothing new. Crazy arsonists have alway been around, which is why the number of fires isn't much different now than it was ten years ago. It's the SIZE of the fires, that is creating the unusual results... Roughly the same number of fires but more massive and intense.

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Sep 15, 2020 23:30:13   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
America 1 wrote:
In other words pulling nonsense from your backside.


yeah, that's it.

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Sep 15, 2020 23:41:23   #
Uspatriot2 Loc: Kentucky
 
straightUp wrote:
Of course there are many causes that spark the fires raging across the western states and we really can't track them down to one cause. But there's more to starting a fire than a spark. You need three things... heat (such as a spark) oxygen and fuel.

It's the fuel that makes these fires so much worse now than they used to be. There's more of it. Why? because of increased drought conditions... the lack of rain k**ls the vegetation and dries the biomass into fuel for fire. Of course droughts have always been a problem in the western states and so have fires, but for some reason the current drought which started in 2012, has been more severe and prolonged than any previous drought on record and with it comes a series of record-breaking fires with every year getting worse.

Scientists at NOAA are saying this drought would have been bad anyway but not nearly as bad as it is due to... yup, I'm going to say it... G****l W*****g.

I can remember reading the studies as far back as 1978 that predicted these conditions... if we don't curb our emissions, because of the greenhouse effect. Then I watched that concern turn into a political battle with Democrats asking for the concern to be addressed and Republicans downplaying the studies and denying the science upon which they were based. Obviously, the Republicans were protecting the oil business which didn't want to sacrifice any part of their profit for a cleaner environment.

The Republican people v**ed big oil tycoons to the White House and sent their loved ones to fight wars to advance oil profits. Republicans have always been on the side of burning f****l f**ls without any concern for the consequences.

42 years after I first read about g****l w*****g and it's potential outcomes, I am witnessing exactly what they predicted. We did NOT curb our emissions. The Republicans got in the way. Everytime we tried, the Republicans would reverse our efforts. I watched it happen... for 40 years!

So when I see those fires raging, blotting out the sky, destroying forests and structures, k*****g people and animals alike, I blame the Republicans. I don't accept ignorance on this one. There is no lack of information on this. After 40 years, if people STILL don't get it, it's because they choose not to. Therefore the lives lost in the fires was by choice. The choice made by Republicans... e******n after e******n.

And that goes for ALL people who have v**ed Republican over the last 40 years. Even those of you reading this. Yes, I am telling these Republicans with the utmost clarity... YOU are to blame for the fires and all the lives these fires will claim. 100%!
Of course there are many causes that spark the fir... (show quote)

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Sep 15, 2020 23:43:52   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
Fire Break cutters can average 10 to 40 plus miles a day depending on terrain, Yet the lazy left coast bureau-rats refuse to do the work and still refuses to take the responsibility of protecting it's own citizens.

Allowing Klan-Teee-Fa arsonists to run wild burning urban and rural areas to the ground is now the norm.
The home grown kommie l*****t burea-rat bastards are intentionally k*****g the best family producers/businesses who create tax revenue in their own territories...Frickin Bastards

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Sep 16, 2020 01:57:51   #
Uspatriot2 Loc: Kentucky
 
straightUp wrote:
Of course there are many causes that spark the fires raging across the western states and we really can't track them down to one cause. But there's more to starting a fire than a spark. You need three things... heat (such as a spark) oxygen and fuel.

It's the fuel that makes these fires so much worse now than they used to be. There's more of it. Why? because of increased drought conditions... the lack of rain k**ls the vegetation and dries the biomass into fuel for fire. Of course droughts have always been a problem in the western states and so have fires, but for some reason the current drought which started in 2012, has been more severe and prolonged than any previous drought on record and with it comes a series of record-breaking fires with every year getting worse.

Scientists at NOAA are saying this drought would have been bad anyway but not nearly as bad as it is due to... yup, I'm going to say it... G****l W*****g.

I can remember reading the studies as far back as 1978 that predicted these conditions... if we don't curb our emissions, because of the greenhouse effect. Then I watched that concern turn into a political battle with Democrats asking for the concern to be addressed and Republicans downplaying the studies and denying the science upon which they were based. Obviously, the Republicans were protecting the oil business which didn't want to sacrifice any part of their profit for a cleaner environment.

The Republican people v**ed big oil tycoons to the White House and sent their loved ones to fight wars to advance oil profits. Republicans have always been on the side of burning f****l f**ls without any concern for the consequences.

42 years after I first read about g****l w*****g and it's potential outcomes, I am witnessing exactly what they predicted. We did NOT curb our emissions. The Republicans got in the way. Everytime we tried, the Republicans would reverse our efforts. I watched it happen... for 40 years!

So when I see those fires raging, blotting out the sky, destroying forests and structures, k*****g people and animals alike, I blame the Republicans. I don't accept ignorance on this one. There is no lack of information on this. After 40 years, if people STILL don't get it, it's because they choose not to. Therefore the lives lost in the fires was by choice. The choice made by Republicans... e******n after e******n.

And that goes for ALL people who have v**ed Republican over the last 40 years. Even those of you reading this. Yes, I am telling these Republicans with the utmost clarity... YOU are to blame for the fires and all the lives these fires will claim. 100%!
Of course there are many causes that spark the fir... (show quote)


Hope this works. It is an article you might like to read

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Sep 16, 2020 02:17:27   #
Mantle
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Nobody is destroying the climate!
The earth cycles are documented.
Warming then cooling.
Quit b*m ing me, I mean blame ing me.
No wait, they’re the same.
B*m=Blame


“B*m=Blame” Ha! Ain’t THAT the t***h?!

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Sep 16, 2020 09:53:44   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Crayons wrote:
Fire Break cutters can average 10 to 40 plus miles a day depending on terrain, Yet the lazy left coast bureau-rats refuse to do the work and still refuses to take the responsibility of protecting it's own citizens.

I can always tell when someone has never really been in the wilderness. Lots of folks live in the country and think it's the same thing, but it's not. Not even close. There are 33 million acres of forest in CA, much of it isn't even accessible without a helicopter. So MAYBE 10 miles of a 40 foot break in a day... MAYBE. Even then that's only 48 acres. There's 33 MILLION acres of forest in CA alone. So at 48 acres a day it would take roughly 1,865 years to cover it. Yeah, great plan. The liberals are so stupid for not doing it.

BTW, clearing firebreaks is not just pulling out dead wood either, it's clear cutting which is a lot easier, especially since firebreaks can function as roads, so it's easy to get the wood out. How are you going to remove the wood from the vast areas that have no roads?

Besides, those "lazy left-coast bureau-rats" already have thousand of miles of firebreaks, probably more than any other state in the union. California has been controlling fires that way for a very long time. The problem is that the always short-sighted Republicans refused to let the "left-coast bureau-rats" protect their citizens by regulating industry thereby allowing c*****e c****e to create more flammable materials resulting in fires that are so intense they just jump over firebreaks like they're not even there.

Face it... you have NO solution. You don't even have a clue! You just throw this out because "clearing the underbrush" is one of those endlessly repeating "suggestions" that you've heard other right-wing morons make in an attempt to insult the left and that's all you really want to do.

Maybe spend less time hurling baseless insults at the left and a little more time doing the math... That way liberal won't look at you like you're a r****d.


Crayons wrote:

Allowing Klan-Teee-Fa arsonists to run wild burning urban and rural areas to the ground is now the norm.
The home grown kommie l*****t burea-rat bastards are intentionally k*****g the best family producers/businesses who create tax revenue in their own territories...Frickin Bastards




No one is "allowing" arsonists to run wild nor does a****a have ANYTHING to do with it. One guy was arrested in Washington for *suspicion* of starting a fire and since he's a video blogger who likes to cover protests and has posted an opinion that black lives DO matter, the rabid right is all about turning him into a terrorist that liberal politicians invite to dinner.

Your f**e news is soooo bad, only right-wing morons would ever believe it, which I guess works fine for the alt-right circlejerk.

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Sep 16, 2020 10:42:26   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
Of course there are many causes that spark the fires raging across the western states and we really can't track them down to one cause. But there's more to starting a fire than a spark. You need three things... heat (such as a spark) oxygen and fuel.

It's the fuel that makes these fires so much worse now than they used to be. There's more of it. Why? because of increased drought conditions... the lack of rain k**ls the vegetation and dries the biomass into fuel for fire. Of course droughts have always been a problem in the western states and so have fires, but for some reason the current drought which started in 2012, has been more severe and prolonged than any previous drought on record and with it comes a series of record-breaking fires with every year getting worse.

Scientists at NOAA are saying this drought would have been bad anyway but not nearly as bad as it is due to... yup, I'm going to say it... G****l W*****g.

I can remember reading the studies as far back as 1978 that predicted these conditions... if we don't curb our emissions, because of the greenhouse effect. Then I watched that concern turn into a political battle with Democrats asking for the concern to be addressed and Republicans downplaying the studies and denying the science upon which they were based. Obviously, the Republicans were protecting the oil business which didn't want to sacrifice any part of their profit for a cleaner environment.

The Republican people v**ed big oil tycoons to the White House and sent their loved ones to fight wars to advance oil profits. Republicans have always been on the side of burning f****l f**ls without any concern for the consequences.

42 years after I first read about g****l w*****g and it's potential outcomes, I am witnessing exactly what they predicted. We did NOT curb our emissions. The Republicans got in the way. Everytime we tried, the Republicans would reverse our efforts. I watched it happen... for 40 years!

So when I see those fires raging, blotting out the sky, destroying forests and structures, k*****g people and animals alike, I blame the Republicans. I don't accept ignorance on this one. There is no lack of information on this. After 40 years, if people STILL don't get it, it's because they choose not to. Therefore the lives lost in the fires was by choice. The choice made by Republicans... e******n after e******n.

And that goes for ALL people who have v**ed Republican over the last 40 years. Even those of you reading this. Yes, I am telling these Republicans with the utmost clarity... YOU are to blame for the fires and all the lives these fires will claim. 100%!
Of course there are many causes that spark the fir... (show quote)


"Yes, I am telling these Republicans with the utmost clarity... YOU are to blame for the fires and all the lives these fires will claim. 100%!" - sUp

Really, sUp?

Former President Bill Clinton’s land management rules
and other liberal policies paved the way for future
debilitating wildfires, fire expert Bob Zybach told the
Daily Caller News Foundation.
Zybach warned of potential disastrous wildfires shortly
after Clinton signed a slate of rules in the mid-1990s that
drastically reduced logging and road creation on federal
lands.
Zybach’s comments come as California, Oregon, and
parts of Washington deal with catastrophic wildfires
Wildfires Will Become Worse Thanks To
Decades-Old Liberal Policies, Says Fire
Expert Who Predicted Uptick In Blazes
C H R I S W H I T E
T E C H R E P O R T E R
S e p t e m b e r 1 3 , 2 0 2 0

that have k**led 26 people and destroyed buildings.
Former President Bill Clinton made a significant change to
federal land management nearly 30 years ago that created
the conditions necessary for massive wildfires to consume
portions of the West Coast, according to one fire expert who
predicted the problem years ago.
Shortly before leaving office in 2001, Clinton limited the
ability of the United States Forest Service to thin out a dense
thicket of foliage and downed trees on federal land to bring
the West into a pristine state, Bob Zybach, an experienced
forester with a PhD in environmental science, told the Daily
Caller News Foundation. The former president’s decision
created a ticking time bomb, Zybach argues.
“If you don’t start managing these forests, then they are
going to start burning up. Thirty years later, they are still
ignoring it,” said Zybach, who spent more than 20 years as a
reforestation contractor. He was referring to warnings he
made years ago, telling officials that warding off prescribed
burns in Oregon and California creates kindling fuelling
fires.
Such rules make it more difficult to deploy prescribed
burns, which are controlled burns designed to cull all of the
underbrush in forests to lessen the chance of massive fires,
Zybach noted. Years of keeping these areas in their natural
state result in dead trees and dried organic material settling
on the forest floor, turning such material into matchsticks
soaked in jet fuel during dry seasons, he said.
Zybach’s comments come as wildfires continue churning
through parts of California, Oregon, and Washington, media
reports show. Fires have k**led 26 people in West Coast
states since August, including 19 people in California, and
have culminated in more than half-a-million people
evacuating Oregon, a number representing roughly 10% of
the state’s overall population.
Roughly 100 massive fires are blazing Saturday in the West,
including 12 in Idaho and nine in Montana, the National
Interagency Fire Center said Saturday. All told, the wildfires
have churned through more than 4.5 million acres in 12
states. (RELATED: Wildfires, Blackouts And High Gas
Prices: Californians Fight Familiar Foes Amid P******c)

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Sep 16, 2020 10:44:16   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
straightUp wrote:


No one is "allowing" arsonists to run wild nor does a****a have ANYTHING to do with it. One guy was arrested in Washington for *suspicion* of starting a fire and since he's a video blogger who likes to cover protests and has posted an opinion that black lives DO matter, the rabid right is all about turning him into a terrorist that liberal politicians invite to dinner.

Your f**e news is soooo bad, only right-wing morons would ever believe it, which I guess works fine for the alt-right circlejerk.
img src="https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/ima... (show quote)


I can always spot a l*****t operative when I see one...You only spout the approved authoritarian chicom enemedia narrative; maliciously repeatin it over and over and over

Tell yer deranged KlanTeeFa supportin gubmint bosses that the jig is up n' we ain't buyin their propaganda

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Sep 16, 2020 10:49:26   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Crayons wrote:
I can always spot a l*****t operative when I see one...You only spout the approved authoritarian chicom enemedia narrative; maliciously repeatin it over and over and over

Tell yer deranged KlanTeeFa supportin gubmint bosses that the jig is up n' we ain't buyin their propaganda


Yep sUp is a Limey, and needs to return to England.
He needs to put his lime in the coconut!
https://youtu.be/Tbgv8PkO9eo

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Sep 16, 2020 11:09:18   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Yep sUp is a Limey, and needs to return to England.


I'd wager 'sUp' doesn't like his own countryman 'Nigel Farage' either

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Sep 16, 2020 11:22:39   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
So, it is OK for you to rely on other sources, but when we do so, you hammer us for not thinking for ourselves.

Relying on other sources doesn't always mean you aren't thinking for yourself. I rely on other sources to qualify my own thinking and to support my arguments. I don't hammer people for that. I hammer people when they use other sources INSTEAD of thinking for themselves.

This is evident in what people post. Some people like me post arguments supported by links. Others present no argument at all just links. THAT is an indication that someone isn't thinking for themselves. Go ahead and search for ANY post of mine in the last seven years that I've been here that only presents links.

Blade_Runner wrote:

I have read the Biden-Sanders Unity T***sformation Recommendations which begins with the plan to combat g****l w*****g. "A Clean Energy Economy"! Eliminate f****l f**ls and go for solar panels and wind turbines. IOW, shut down the engine of prosperity and introduce Too much Wind.

So you read it eh... How many pages? (Obviously, I doubt you really read it) You probably read something a conspiracy theorist or Fox News bimbo said about it. Either way, it seems really stupid to me to actually think a political party is TRYING to shut down the economy. At least when I accuse Republicans of making bad decisions I am considering motives that make sense, even though I don't agree with them. But shutting down the economy? What would they get out of that?

Anyway, Since we just got done talking about links without arguments. Why don't you exercise your brain a little bit and explain how the content behind your links proves that liberals are trying to shut down business? That could be an interesting discussion.

As a prelude - let me just mention something called disruption. This is where existing business is disrupted by better ideas. Sometimes it leads to old businesses being destroyed which makes room for new business. Reagan called this "creative destruction" and suggested this process as critical to a healthy economy. I think he was right about that.

The carbon industry is scared to death of the green revolution because of the disruption it represents to their profit stream, but there's no reason for the American people to feel the same way. Progressives have been working on all aspects of the problem to insure a sane plan for phasing carbon out of our energy mix. It's not the first time it's happened, we also phased out wood and whale-oil and each time, the previous industries cried bloody-murder. Same crap, different day.

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Sep 16, 2020 11:28:12   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
So you read it eh... How many pages? (Obviously, I doubt you really read it) You probably read something a conspiracy theorist or Fox News bimbo said about it. Either way, it seems really stupid to me to actually think a political party is TRYING to shut down the economy. At least when I accuse Republicans of making bad decisions I am considering motives that make sense, even though I don't agree with them. But shutting down the economy? What would they get out of that?

Anyway, Since we just got done talking about links without arguments. Why don't you exercise your brain a little bit and explain how the content behind your links proves that liberals are trying to shut down business? That could be an interesting discussion.

As a prelude - let me just mention something called disruption. This is where existing business is disrupted by better ideas. Sometimes it leads to old businesses being destroyed which makes room for new business. Reagan called this "creative destruction" and suggested this process as critical to a healthy economy. I think he was right about that.

The carbon industry is scared to death of the green revolution because of the disruption it represents to their profit stream, but there's no reason for the American people to feel the same way. Progressives have been working on all aspects of the problem to insure a sane plan for phasing carbon out of our energy mix. It's not the first time it's happened, we also phased out wood and whale-oil and each time, the previous industries cried bloody-murder. Same crap, different day.
So you read it eh... How many pages? (Obviously, I... (show quote)


sUp!!!!
It is the "reduce CO2" BS that does not hold water.
Political BS.

Is there a way to get Democrats to cut down on their CO2 emissions? (breathing)

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