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Sep 6, 2020 18:14:08   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
permafrost wrote:
You guys all skip over the parts you do not want to be true..

what liberals want, I am one, is equal rights and equal opportunity.

the life time results can not be certain for anyone..

but an equal chance at a good rewarding life should be for all Americans..

something trump is working hard to make sure never becomes a fact..



Did you miss this one, Perm?...



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Sep 6, 2020 18:25:44   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
maureen, I didn't have to read your post long before I came across some outrageous misstatements.
The USSR was a Marxist c*******t empire led by a totalitarian and murderous dictator. It has nothing in common with the democratic socialists, much less the Democratic Party.
The n**i party was in no way socialist. It named itself the German workers socialist party to attract the German workers. Actually they sought the backing of the German capitalists to gain power. I was a representative of my teachers union, and I can assure you that they certainly don't control the NEA. My NEA chapter actually supported gun ownership. They were not allowed to use the word, " strike " in the representative assembly.
maureen, I didn't have to read your post long befo... (show quote)

The only reason that democrats aren't totalitarian and murderous are because they can't get away with it...yet. But why don't you talk to the governors of Virginia and New York and their infanticide. Gotta give 'em credit, they're trying like hell to become like the USSR and China.

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Sep 6, 2020 18:37:44   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
" Socialism is a scare word that they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last twenty years. Socialism is what they called public power, socialism is what they called Social Security, socialism is what they called farm supports, socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance, socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor unions. Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people."

Harry S. Truman, 1952
" Socialism is a scare word that they have hu... (show quote)
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

From Ayn Rand:

America’s abundance was created not by public sacrifices to "the common good," but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America’s industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance—and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.

2. From Milton Friedman:

Well first of all, tell me: Is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? You think Russia doesn’t run on greed? You think China doesn’t run on greed? What is greed? Of course, none of us are greedy, it’s only the other fellow who’s greedy. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history, are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to know where the masses are worse off, worst off, it’s exactly in the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear, that there is no alternative way so far discovered of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by the free-enterprise system.

3. From David Horowitz:

In practice, socialism didn’t work. But socialism could never have worked because it is based on false premises about human psychology and society, and gross ignorance of human economy. In the vast library of socialist theory (and in all of Marx’s compendious works), there is hardly a chapter dev**ed to the creation of wealth to what will cause human beings to work and to innovate, or to what will make their efforts efficient. Socialism is a plan of morally sanctioned theft. It is about dividing up what others have created. Consequently, socialist economies don’t work; they create poverty instead of wealth. This is unarguable historical fact now, but that has not prompted the left to have second thoughts.

4. From Ludwig von Mises:

The champions of socialism call themselves progressives, but they recommend a system which is characterized by rigid observance of routine and by a resistance to every kind of improvement. They call themselves liberals, but they are intent upon abolishing liberty. They call themselves democrats, but they yearn for dictatorship. They call themselves revolutionaries, but they want to make the government omnipotent. They promise the blessings of the Garden of Eden, but they plan to t***sform the world into a gigantic post office. Every man but one a subordinate clerk in a bureau. What an alluring utopia! What a noble cause to fight!

5. From Mark J. Perry:

As we’ve learned from countless examples throughout history, including now Venezuela, the main difference between capitalism and socialism is this: capitalism works.

6. From Margaret Thatcher:

The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

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Sep 6, 2020 18:49:35   #
Army
 
There to stupid to know they have same opportunity as rest of us they just want blame others . If you would read the Constitution an the Bible All are equal opportunity . But evil will be judged . Liberals listen to the wrong people the very people that promise you your Welfare , Civil rights , Big Fortune four and Fortune 5 companies are the ones that's enslaving labor here & around the world saying they care wanting you to Kneel & paying for R**ts destruction and murder of innocent people and small businesses to wipe them out . Than big businesses Fortune Fortune fortune five the ones on the stock market will get even bigger and more power and more information. They devide and conquer an using you to do it You fighting the wrong War & people . You destroy your communities and small businesses and people towns cities when you should be finding the big business corporations that are paying for it leading you to slaughter. They will k**l you to when it's over . Stand for real jobs better pay no free trade or any trade with c*******t countries or enemy's . This stuff stated long time ago Biden 40 years ago pushed for China trade we had Law against doing Business with c*******t countries but not Biden than the Clinton s & Bush's an Oboma's sealed the fate if this Country Carter never help ether . They took power of the people freedoms an all our work away The Patriot act took away your privacy made you a terrorist in your own country now they want a healthcare Patriot act what do you think that's going to do they're going to force v******tions on your kids detain you or your kids for as long as they want until the government deems okay or not they're already telling you . They have allowed every filthy thing in this country now an even added some . There not an honest person left in our government ? They have sold us out stated in the 70s . Well good luck with your liberal brain washing cause if you think there going take care you your wrong unless you love evil as lot you are to far gone an Warship in wrong God an facts . History alone shows you an use your head .
This is War on your mind body & soul . You'd be wise think an read between the lines .

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Sep 6, 2020 18:49:49   #
Seth
 
Abbie Hoffman wrote:
Liberals want everyone to be at the same starting point, and to have access to the same opportunities.


That is Utopian bulls**t.

People need to work for what they want or for where they wish to get in life.

If someone inherits a fortune from his or her parents, so be it -- somewhere along the way that money was earned and it's perfectly right that people's children should get it.

For those of us who weren't born into wealth, it's not their job to support us, it's our job to go after our own wealth -- via hard work, vision, investment, wh**ever. That's called the pursuit of happiness.

As soon as these i***ts start going after the money of those who have the most, those who create jobs for others, etc, human nature steps in -- suddenly those jobs dry up, the rich move to other places, innovators stop innovating since they are penalized for making a lot of money. This Utopian thing has failed and brought more misery every time than there was before, yet the same really, really stupid people keep trying to bring it back for an encore right here in the easiest country for anyone who's willing to work hard and pursue their dreams to realize those dreams -- once you start taking from them to finance the lazy, the non-achiever, the career parasite, things never improve for the L,NA and CPs you think you're "helping," but you also bring down those who worked hard for what they have and, unfortunately, those are the very people who create opportunities for everyone else.

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Sep 6, 2020 18:53:39   #
Army
 
There to stupid to know they have same opportunity as rest of us they just want blame others . If you would read the Constitution an the Bible All are equal opportunity . But evil will be judged . Liberals listen to the wrong people the very people that promise you your Welfare , Civil rights , Big Fortune four and Fortune 5 companies are the ones that's enslaving labor here & around the world saying they care wanting you to Kneel & paying for R**ts destruction and murder of innocent people and small businesses to wipe them out . Than big businesses Fortune Fortune fortune five the ones on the stock market will get even bigger and more power and more information. They devide and conquer an using you to do it You fighting the wrong War & people . You destroy your communities and small businesses and people towns cities when you should be finding the big business corporations that are paying for it leading you to slaughter. They will k**l you to when it's over . Stand for real jobs better pay no free trade or any trade with c*******t countries or enemy's . This stuff stated long time ago Biden 40 years ago pushed for China trade we had Law against doing Business with c*******t countries but not Biden than the Clinton s & Bush's an Oboma's sealed the fate if this Country Carter never help ether . They took power of the people freedoms an all our work away The Patriot act took away your privacy made you a terrorist in your own country now they want a healthcare Patriot act what do you think that's going to do they're going to force v******tions on your kids detain you or your kids for as long as they want until the government deems okay or not they're already telling you . They have allowed every filthy thing in this country now an even added some . There not an honest person left in our government ? They have sold us out stated in the 70s . Well good luck with your liberal brain washing cause if you think there going take care you your wrong unless you love evil as lot you are to far gone an Warship in wrong God an facts . History alone shows you an use your head .
This is War on your mind body & soul . You'd be wise think an read between the lines .

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Sep 6, 2020 19:17:28   #
Carol Kelly
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Social security is earned we pay for it! Not socialism! Wake up sheeple/lemming


Did we ever. And they keep taxing us to the hilt. Maybe we haven’t seen anything yet.

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Sep 6, 2020 19:17:59   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Abbie Hoffman wrote:
Liberals want everyone to be at the same starting point, and to have access to the same opportunities.


Liberals want everyone to look different and think the same. Liberals want the same outcome for everyone no matter the amount of effort put in by individuals.

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Sep 6, 2020 20:07:41   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Gatsby wrote:
Yeah, Harry said that, then Ike kicked his A$$ out of the W.H.


Gatsby, Truman retired after serving two terms. In some way he was a remarkable person. Although he was part of an old fashioned Democratic Party political machine, he was a man of honor and courage. He went bankrupt because of a failing men's clothing store, but spent decades repaying those that he felt he owed business debts.
He was a World War One combat veteran, and fought in battles as a Captain. He took full responsibility for everything that happened on his watch, He saved Europe from c*******m through the Marshall Plan.

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Sep 6, 2020 21:11:56   #
Army
 
Well the Demon-crates & the Republicans both have talked about cutting or taking your Social Security they call it an Entitlement to hear them say it it's free an we never paid into or deserve it that we get more than we pay into.
Trump said he would not take it that people payed into an need be honored get it back . I seen Mitch McConnell years ago on Charlie Rose show when Obama was in office and McConnell said that we need to get rid of this social security because it's nothing for people to live to be a hundred years old now ( bull crap ) . McConnell said Obama wanted to take it to but he didn't want to touch that right now I guess he was creating enough evil on its own lot other ways.
Be lucky we have president that wants us to get our Social Security an admits we paid into it. We all need pray we see what there doing an we know they don't care they took our jobs , don't educate our kids , tax us unjustly , everything is free to them but not us . They v**e there self's raises while we starve & barley get by . We have an illegal IRS , Corporate Welfare , Corporations commit fraud break every crime everyday write their own policies you might as well say laws unjust , they pay no taxes an buy there own stock back to keep there prices up. They control all food , all products , sports , trade , schools , any & all that's done bought sold , patents , banks , court law suits , strawman.
Even if you develop a good product eventually you will be bought out sold out or Corporation will make that product and make sure you go out of business so they will control it .
People pray seriously we need Justice . Our government has wasted enough our time money and in our business all we do . There nothing but but wipes that never worked honest day there life's . God help us .

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Sep 7, 2020 02:52:58   #
debeda
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

From Ayn Rand:

America’s abundance was created not by public sacrifices to "the common good," but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America’s industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance—and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.

2. From Milton Friedman:

Well first of all, tell me: Is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? You think Russia doesn’t run on greed? You think China doesn’t run on greed? What is greed? Of course, none of us are greedy, it’s only the other fellow who’s greedy. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history, are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to know where the masses are worse off, worst off, it’s exactly in the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear, that there is no alternative way so far discovered of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by the free-enterprise system.

3. From David Horowitz:

In practice, socialism didn’t work. But socialism could never have worked because it is based on false premises about human psychology and society, and gross ignorance of human economy. In the vast library of socialist theory (and in all of Marx’s compendious works), there is hardly a chapter dev**ed to the creation of wealth to what will cause human beings to work and to innovate, or to what will make their efforts efficient. Socialism is a plan of morally sanctioned theft. It is about dividing up what others have created. Consequently, socialist economies don’t work; they create poverty instead of wealth. This is unarguable historical fact now, but that has not prompted the left to have second thoughts.

4. From Ludwig von Mises:

The champions of socialism call themselves progressives, but they recommend a system which is characterized by rigid observance of routine and by a resistance to every kind of improvement. They call themselves liberals, but they are intent upon abolishing liberty. They call themselves democrats, but they yearn for dictatorship. They call themselves revolutionaries, but they want to make the government omnipotent. They promise the blessings of the Garden of Eden, but they plan to t***sform the world into a gigantic post office. Every man but one a subordinate clerk in a bureau. What an alluring utopia! What a noble cause to fight!

5. From Mark J. Perry:

As we’ve learned from countless examples throughout history, including now Venezuela, the main difference between capitalism and socialism is this: capitalism works.

6. From Margaret Thatcher:

The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
i Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed... (show quote)


EXCELLENT quotes, I'm saving these

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Sep 7, 2020 08:21:26   #
Big Dolly
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Gatsby, Truman retired after serving two terms. In some way he was a remarkable person. Although he was part of an old fashioned Democratic Party political machine, he was a man of honor and courage. He went bankrupt because of a failing men's clothing store, but spent decades repaying those that he felt he owed business debts.
He was a World War One combat veteran, and fought in battles as a Captain. He took full responsibility for everything that happened on his watch, He saved Europe from c*******m through the Marshall Plan.
Gatsby, Truman retired after serving two terms. In... (show quote)


And besides, if Democrats wanted Socialism, then why isn't Bernie Sanders the Democratic candidate, hmm? And if Donald Trump eliminates the payroll tax, then what happens to Social Security?

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Sep 7, 2020 08:39:57   #
John Meoff
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Social security is earned we pay for it! Not socialism! Wake up sheeple/lemming



It is a Ponzi scheme & has been demonstrated to be just that numerous times by Austrian and Chicago school economists. When former Democrat John Connally ran for president, he cited the fact that it took just 19 months for a Social Security recipient to rec**p all of what he had paid into the system.

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Sep 7, 2020 08:49:57   #
Big Dolly
 
permafrost wrote:
I believe you should check you history..

Ike ran against Stevenson.. in 1952..

Never ran against President Truman..


Yes, I remember my mom talking about that.

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Sep 7, 2020 08:52:15   #
Big Dolly
 
permafrost wrote:
So why do you cheer for the creep and the party who wants to end it???


Amen and AMEN!!!

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