Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

That statement smells like last weeks fish, but I'd still be open to any link that confirms that. I suspect that you're including Social Security as "welfare" in those numbers.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Of course he is.

emarine

Let me take a wild guess... 10 years in the Military followed by 20 years on the police force?

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

Not quite, but close, so I'll buy you a beer if we ever meet. Only four years USMC, and 26 on Hwy Patrol.

robert66

It includes welfare, social security,unemployment, medicare , food stamps and medicaid.
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emarine

I'll take the beer and leave you with this thought... If we only had income tax we could not have a real military or effective police force... if 47% pay little to no tax, a large percent of the remainder work in some form of Gov fed or state and are paid from taxes... the money has to come from somewhere, so the big corps have to kick in... we spent trillions protecting our energy interests over the years not to mention the personal sacrifice. it's only fair.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

in answer to the first line there has been no evidence of that here what so ever

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

I disagree. National defense is a responsibility of the federal government, and could be paid by the individual income tax, if properly handled. In fact, we could have a better military, and take better care of our veterans.

To do that, the federal government would have to get out of the welfare business. The EPA, Dept. of T***sportation, Department of Education, Department of Commerce, Department of Energy, HUD, Labor Department, DOT, TSA and Homeland security could be defunded and closed. In addition, there are scores of Boards and Commissions that could be closed.

The Border Patrol, FBI and BATF could be combined with all other law enforcement units into a single federal police force, and no other agency would have arrest powers, or any armed officers. That alone would save millions.

You also must understand that corporate taxes are paid by the consumer in higher prices, not by the corporation or corporate officers. Without corporate taxes, most important product and service prices would decrease.

It is all complicated, and would take a book to completely explain. Unless we use only personal income taxes to run the federal government, the average working man has no true concept of how much money he is paying for his welfare based federal government. That is by design, because if the average worker knew the true and full amount the present bloated federal government costs the average taxpayer, there would be a tax revolt.

cesspool jones Loc: atlanta

going down the tubes with the rest of us....nice view of the future, the future created many years ago by people with l*****t views. so floyd, who are those causing the problems?

robert66

Welfare is 5 to 6% of the federal budget. That doesn't seem huge but it's still its something I guess. Then get rid of the EPA , DOT etc.? No more corporate tax, and they'll lower prices? Are you kidding? They'd think of a reason to raise them. Let's have no more highways or pollution control. Wow why did we not think of this before? Actually no social structure whatsoever with a military and corporations. You're a genius.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

if you were 1/0 as smart as you think you are you would be 10 times smarter than you are

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

Thank you, ... I'm glad you're finally seeing the light.

Ranking Member Sessions and the minority staff of the Senate Budget Committee requested from the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) an overview of cumulative means-tested federal welfare spending in the United States in the most recent year for which data is available (fiscal year 2011). The results are staggering. CRS identified 83 overlapping federal welfare programs that together represented the single largest budget item in 2011—more than the nation spends on Social Security, Medicare, or national defense. The total amount spent on these 80-plus federal welfare programs amounts to roughly $1.03 trillion. Importantly, these figures solely refer to means-tested welfare benefits. They exclude entitlement programs to which people contribute (e.g., Social Security and Medicare).

CRS estimates that exclusively federal spending on these federal programs equaled approximately $746 billion, and further emphasizes that there is a substantial amount of state spending—mostly required as a condition of states’ participation—on these same federal programs (primarily Medicaid and CHIP). Based on data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and the Oxford Handbook of State and Local Government Finance, Budget Committee staff calculated at least an additional $283 billion in state contributions to those same federal programs, 1 for a total annual expenditure of $1.03 trillion.

By comparison, in 2011, the annual budget expenditure for Social Security was $725 billion, Medicare was $480 billion, and non-war defense was $540 billion. The exclusively federal share of spending on these federal programs is up 32 percent since 2008, and now comprises 21 percent of federal outlays (this share too is more than Social Security, Medicare, or defense).

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

If he were 1/10th as smart as I, he'd learn math.

robert66

It's not rocket science. How smart is 1/0 of what? I didn't go to that class I guess.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

You must be very careful in divulging factual information to robert66 and those of his ilk. They aren't programmed to comprehend it. Their minuscule brain cells are subject to implosion with anything not provided by their indoctrination masters.